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I looked at many sites,but dont know wich are scams

They all are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program

There is no such thing as a HYIP that isn't a scam.

HYIPs are always scam. Ponzi is a strict No-No. Try MLM programs with stable business model, e.g. Amoy, TupperWare etc. There may be some like these in Bitcoin too... but watch out their business model first.

what is the scam inside? will they not pay ?

Just read the article it explains it fine.


What this means is that the scheme is offering no services or products of value in return for the investment, for example in a legitimate stock if you purchase a company you will benefit from them doing well either through a rise in the stock price or through dividend payments, so even if you only had one investor in a company that investor would still be able to profit, in a ponzi scheme if there is only one investor the whole time the scheme collapses because there isn't money from other investors coming in.

Not necessarily, some are just incredibly risky.

Any logical explanation of how a system can survive by paying investors with its own investor's money ? The return liability will only increase with time leading to a collapse.

Not all HYIPs are Ponzis but all Ponzis are HYIPs.

Here's how a HYIP works:

A thief convinces some people to let him hold their money for a short while.  We'll call them group A.

The thief then convinces other people to let him hold their money for a while. We'll call them group B.

The thief keeps some of the money from group B, and gives some of the money from group B to group A.

Group A now has their own money back and some of the money that was stolen from group B.

Group A is happy and advertises the scam for the thief.

The thief uses this positive news from Group A to convince more people to let him hold their money for a while.  We'll call them group C.

The thief keeps some of the money from group C. Then, to keep group B from getting angry and spreading bad information about the scam, the thief gives whatever is left of group B's money back to them, and then gives enough of group C's money to group B to keep them happy.

Now group A and group B are both telling people about how great the scam is.

The thief uses this additional positive news from groups A and B to convince more people to let him hold their money for a while.  We'll call them group D.

The thief keeps some of the money from group D.  Then to keep group C from getting angry and spreading bad information about the scam, the thief gives whatever is left of group C's money back to them, and then gives enough of group D's money to group C to keep them happy.

You might notice that each time the thief pays himself.  You also might notice that each group so far is getting more money than they put in.  The only way this can work is if each new group puts in more total money than the previous group.  Otherwise there isn't enough money to pay the promised profits to the earlier groups.

Eventually the thief runs out of people willing to participate in his scam.  At this point, he is no longer able to pay back any of the groups that have recently given him money.  He disappears, keeping all the money that he stole from all the groups that let him hold their money.

The earlier participants are essentially paid accomplices.  The thief pays them (with other people's money) to help him find more people to steal from and to convince people that he is not a scam.

Any example of HYIP that is not a ponzi ? Please dont say MLM ...those are NOT HYIP.

Take a look around at MoneyMakers.

Searched Google... these are the top 3....

1. http://www.billboard.com/articles/list/5930326/music-s-top-40-money-makers-2014-the-rich-list

2. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=money+maker

3. http://www.beebsandhermoneymakers.com/

I'm sorry.

I should have written MoneyMakerGroup.

Mea Culpa!

Took a look at about a half a dozen of the HYIP listed there.  Every one of them looks like a ponzi to me.

Yeah, a shitload of them are for sure!

Easy way to make a living I guess if you could live with yourself doing that sort of thing.

I couldn't.

Try this http://www.bitcointaboo.com/the-ponzi-game.php

Well, that's certainly interesting.

Any word on how they are doing with it?

Just curious.

;)

In case you didn't notice, "Bitcoinbikers" is the owner of that ponzi. ;)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684082.0

Nothing in life is for free

I think it's possible to run a Ponzi scheme without it being a scam. If you are honest about it being a Ponzi, then how is it a scam? If everyone knows up front that the last depositors lose out, then it's not a scam, it's more like a game.

Exponential growth is baked in to the definition of how Ponzi schemes work: each time anyone deposits, the scheme's assets grow, but their liablilities grow fast, making them less and less solvent with each deposiy. So they can't be stable.

In summary: it's possible to find trustworthy Ponzis, but not to find stable ones.

i found this
https://solidsharepro.com

looks trustworth
what do you say?

LOL! That looks dodgy as fuck, the question you should be asking is, where are they getting their profits from? If they don't list it, don't give them their money or take a closer look and see where the source is.


In this case it's a pyramid type scheme which I have seen a lot around, they basically make money by people like you signing up and then referring people on the website, you'd honestly be better off investing in a gambling share if you want Bitcoins that badly, at least you know where the money is coming from.

the most simplistic explanation and example of a HYIP is bitgem...

its a hot potato
one person buys this 'potato' or 'gem' and holds it. it does nothing else but burns you, so you want to get rid of it. So you sell it for atleast the value you paid or with a small profit ontop.
the next person buys it and holds it. it does nothing else but burns them, so they... blah blah blah

i call them hot potato's, other people call them ponzi's, pass the parcel, 'rob peter to pay paul'

ponzi and 'rob peter to pay paul' are usually controlled and managed by a person. but the most simplified ponzi scam that is run by only code on a website is what i mentioned in the top line.

im not going to link any HYIP's direct as i hate HYIP's, i just mention it to show an example of it.

That one looks "trustworthy" inasmuch as they don't claim to be mining bitcoins, playing poker, trading bitcoins, mining oil, or "investing" the money in other nonsense, so they aren't completely lying.

But it's still a ponzi, know going in that they are going to take your money, and give it to people that "invested" before you, and your only chance of getting your money back is if more people will "invest" after you. If you know that and still want to go ahead, go for it, but don't be shocked or outraged if/when they run out of money and leave you holding the bag.

If you know that and still go ahead, then you are knowingly cooperating with stealing money from other people so that you can get paid.

Its ponzi theres none trusted ponzi / hyip .

All sites promising high returns are, across-the-board, scams. There is only one that I know of which wasn't run as a scam, but they lost all their investor's money through carelessness anyway and are slowly trying to pay back the initial investment.
Any system that solicits small investments across the internet is almost certainly incapable of returning a profit to those investors.

I do have first-hand knowledge on this subject because I run an investment program using only my personal wealth and i do what HYIPs claim to do. I am not soliciting investment online, though that is a possibility in the distant future. I would expect that anyone who invests in my program (if I accept outside investment) will meet me in person, have all my contact information (phone, email, name, address; all of it), and would have a signed contract for the investment agreement.

A person running a legitimate program will not spend their time looking for investors. They will spend their time looking for insurance companies and financial auditors - which is exactly what I am trying to do. They care about securing funds, rather than acquiring them.

Anybody tried this?

All the hyip is trustworth, I mean when it's new and you invest small amount.

I prefer play blackjack and lost than invest to hyip.

You can try: https://btcprofit.biz/
I am deposit 150$ with bitcoin.

There is no trusted HYIP, one day it will become scam.

Investing in Hyip is really waste of time and money.

Check here we will share our experience :

http://moneytech.org/ubbthreads.php/forums/33/1/HYIP

They are all scams OP, but if you want to make money, when a ponzi site is new, invest and withdraw before they can run away and claim a profit

check this one out >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984037.0

You get paid every month (on the 1st) until you have been paid 200% total in return.

It's not a ponzi... We earn multiple revenue streams from ads, referrals and direct sales from our network of bitcoin related websites and the profits are used to pay our investors every month on the 1st day of the month.

We ask for bitcoin investors because the funds help us to keep our current services running and it helps us to create new services to offer to the crypto community. We love the community and we have big plans for the future, your investments will help us do it all faster and you will get double your money in return over time.

Feel free to contact me if you ever have questions or need help.

All become scams earlier or later, don't trust in this type of site, you will lose your money (early or late but this will be the end!).
Only some sites offer a "strategies" but it is like the game of the mouse with the cat….
And you are a mouse… a fat mouse :)

Till the date is CherryRace my favorite

It took me 30 seconds or so to research this, why dont you do the same.

http://www.allhyipmonitors.com/details/solidsharepro.com (http://www.allhyipmonitors.com/details/solidsharepro.com)

http://[Suspicious link removed]/FqYplK

My investment 50$

Payout received 6$

3% Daily plan.

I would suggest you to visit us: ★☆★ cяyρтσ-вιg.cσм ★☆★ instant ♣ stable interests ♠ legit business ♦ LICENSED √ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1078144.0)
We have completed a payments cycle already. If you want to know more about us feel free to hit me a PM or start a private conversation with our live customer support.

Best regards, Chris.

That looks like a regular Ponzi scam. None of them are "stable" and almost none are trustworthy.

What about c-7.cc??

nothing safe. nothing.
however, below is a post I made earlier today in another thread that has relevance here, regarding some sites i currently use.

Oh right, you looks like an expert. It's a scam because of the fancy design or what? I'm ready to prove you the opposite:

https://crypto-big.com/public/
http://instantscamalert.com/details/lid/174/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1078144.msg11540483#msg11540483

We actually have 2 open positions against NZD and JPY, obviously GBP since it's getting stronger.

There was a legendary member of BitcoinTalk who added me a negative feedback saying "Ponzi scammer", but after contacting him and proved we are not a Ponzi scheme guess what? He removed the feedback.
We are still building the program that's why it looks like to you a potential (Ponzi scheme) scam but this is how the greatest and most profitable HYIPs born, Ponzi or not Ponzi.

Other sleeper programs:

https://arbitgo.com/
https://antoxan.com/
http://twistinvest.com/
https://publicbankltd.com/

(Unfortunately I can't tell you if they are Ponzi schemes or not)

Best regards, Chris.

HYIP by definition is a fraudulent investment scheme. You have better odds of making money by throwing your coins at dice site

Hyip by defenition is high yield investment program, I suppose you got that from the wiki site (disiniformation site) edited by those  who like to impose views on you.

Investments in Dadice bankroll can also be considered a Ponzi, you may never get your money back, therefore from now on, any form of gambling can/will be considered a Ponzi.

House wins all the time.

So watch out all you dice players, you are just the same as anyone who plays the HYIP sites.

I have said this before, you vote/support your governments? You use banks? Have  Insurance?
If you answered yes, then you are 100% in support of some of the biggest Ponzi schemes ever.

its not stealing when you willingly give your money to someone.

secondly, there are no promises of a return. (see FAQ page of my link in the signature)

therefore again ... no stealing.

you are just manipulating the perception using words to create a negative irrational emotional response/point of view.

look at the facts man ... you made an investment knowing you could have a loss, and then you turn around and make a black and white statement of innacurate showing of what really is happening.

don't forget the state lottery is the same exact concept, but you don't call them thieves, right?  :D

All ponzi operators claim their ponzis are not scams. So it is impossible to know what is a scam and what is not. Best to avoid new ones and stick to ones paying out.

Shit would really hit the fan if the banks collapse

The following read is for you:


Actually we are the only one providing proofs but you all are definitely blind. Because of the fact we do real Forex trading we are not scared of the lack of investors, despite we accept Bitcoin only.
In addition to this I would like to remind you that most of the HYIPs are huge Ponzi schemes, so why should you invest in a old HYIP? Debts are astronomical!
New investors should always invest in new programs only since it's safer strategy for them. JUST SAYING.

Best regards, Chris.

Come join us

Cloudthink.io (http://Cloudthink.io)

By posting this here you are confirming that yours is a HYIP company not mining  ;D

lol it's true :D but maybe he is a fake clone :)
or only he take for good the literally definition of hyip….

lol... dont said and judge like that, maybe that people who post that was a new staff or new worker on that hyip site/cloudmining site..

time will answer and prove all ours thinking about cloudthink and others site that we said were hyip but maybe they are what they say on they own thread..

no offeense guys, i only share my oppinion  ;D

Next monthly investor payments happen on 7/01/2015 for this bitcoin investment offer >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984037.0

All our investors are happy and getting paid every month. We offer 200% total in return with monthly profit share payments from our multiple revenue streams (ad revenue, referral commissions and direct sales of our services)

feel free to contact me if you have any questions or need help.

C'mon wake up people there is no trustworthy or stable HYIP. They're design to be unstable and if you think about it if there were stable HYIP then it should have been running until now and lots of people would have been rich by now.

No, it's a scam because you promise to pay 1.75% per day. If anyone could guarantee to make more than 1.75% per day, why would they share it with anonymous strangers?


That guy ends his review of you by saying:


Why do you need a continuously growing inflow if you're making all your profits from forex trades? And why do I need to "play safe" when the returns are guaranteed? It sounds to me like he thinks you're just another Ponzi scheme, just like I do.

If you have any proof that you aren't running a Ponzi, I'd like to review it.


Who was that?


No, it looks like a scam because you're promising to make unrealistic returns. Why wouldn't you just get a loan at a regular interest rate, or trade with your own funds and keep the profits?

I added more details some posts above, you may read it.
Why would be impossible to trade making up to 1.75% daily? We are NOT making 1.75% daily out of it but trying to get at least 5% weekly or 20% monthly, in fact as you can see in the address I listed there we move funds when we are in need and add funds when is needed.
ISA probably said that because our trading may "fail" one day, so basically Forex trading is not a guarantee and we never said that. Of course our program is less riskier than other HYIPs since most of them are based on Ponzi scheme concept, and did you know that many of them invest investor' funds in other HYIPs?
Last thing, as I said before, it's an asset management company: the bigger the capital, the greater the profits.

Best regards, Chris.

+1. OP would be better at investing in BTC gambling sites' bankroll he may still risk losing his capital as in any investment; however, this risk is less than the 100% involved in any HYIP.

I think there's no legit/trustworthy or stable HYIP.. everything is just ponzi :/
Don't invest if you can't lose your money! Be careful! :)

If you want something that is good and still around and honest with admin check out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946814.0 been running since early Feb 2015  so that is 5 months and still running smooth

So you are borrowing money at a rate of 1.75% per day and trying to make at least 20% monthly from it.

1.75% per day times 30 days is 52.5% monthly. Or if compounded, it's 68.28%. So if you make 20% monthly you won't even be able to pay off the interest.

I'm sure you can find cheaper ways to borrow than paying 50% interest per month, so why don't you?

i better play gambling, obvious whether i win or lose

As I've said, I'm trying to be as honest as possible with you.
We accrue earnings on business days only, so this means investors would earn 1.75% * 22 days = ~38.5%.
The worst scenario possible is the following: all investors deposit funds into enterprise plan only (1.75% daily..) but our profit this month is 20% only, it would mean that we have a debt of about ~18.5%. Very difficult to happen but of course still possible, and yes I'm not hidding the facts.
This is why we try to make at least 20% of monthly profiit out of it, which is not really sustainable but at least gives us more time to collect funds to be able to cover the debts.
Whatever, we are in profit for the moment and in addition to this we got over 5 BTC (our capital) funded on our broker. No need to be worried about.

"...we managed to create a safe system, which ensures lower risks and stable profits..."

I believe we are able to make run Crypto Big for long long time.

Best regards, Chris.

i made a deposit on forexshare.biz
i don't know if its gonna work...i hope so
everybody says ''be careful''....we'll see...
...also i'm willing to invest in the other sites groko has posted
...they seem legit..of course nobody can say that 100%...

Let me know how good its working...

yeah mib...i'm gonna post here how the site is doing day by....
...i just registered the lowest plan...it is 0.6% per day....so as you can understand it's gonna take too long

If I understand correctly, you are saying that the very worst thing that can happen when trading forex is that you make 20% profit per month.

Is that what you are saying?

Because I can imagine maybe making only 10% in a month, or even making a loss.

How can you be so sure that 20% profit is the worst that can ever happen?

20% per month is an amazing return. If you are able to reliably make 20% every month, you don't need investors. You can double your money every year. But instead you decide to borrow money at over 20% per month interest rate and so end up making a loss when anyone else would be making huge profits.

I worry that you haven't thought this through fully...

dooglus, the math is an opinion, and also the "idea of profit" is like: a "piece of meat" ….
They use % in the same way as a porn actor use him attributes ….

does anybody know anything about revafund.com

Browsing and buying in this website is not recommended.  (http://www.scamner.com/check/revafund.com) Q: but how do they Know?

A:  This website seems to be hosted in Panama but the majority of its traffic comes from Russia.
Be careful! The owner of this domain is using a service to hide their personal/company details.

ok so you say that it probably is a scam and we must stay away.....what about solidtredebank....whats your opinion on that...and i'm asking all the community if someone has experience on that site

I don't know any. Can anyone suggest me? I join everything if it's not scam!

I know only the programs wich are on my signature.
They are still paying

There are no guarantees as I said previously, but is still a better investment opportunity than Ponzi schemes, do you agree? However, only profit till now.
Since we can make get great results out of it we aim to have more and more funds to trade with. Of course we can keep trading with your own money (as we did till now), but in the recent 2-3 months we got the idea: why don't we open a real HYIP? This is why our domain is already 2 months old, because we were a bit skeptical and not really experienced in running HYIPs.

I would like to mention that we almost spent, or better to say invested, around $2,200 already which is a great amount. $320 monthly expense for dedicated server and BlockDos protection, free profit for our monitors (which are in profit already), GC hiring for upcoming integrations and features, advertising and much more. It's hard to believe we are running a Ponzi scheme since we spend more than we receive as you can see.

Best regards, Chris.

hello....mib i'm posting here for you....
...today i did my first withdraw from forexshare.biz...
...of course it wasn't serious money...we're talking about 0.12$  converted in btc...i received exactly 0.00047 btc
...we will see how its goes in future...hope everything keeps rolling smoothly

Thanks for the info bro  ;)

I am gettingoutput from c7 and cryptoinvester

Look at the signature for more earnings  ;)

i'm about to invest in C7....what do you say guys??

I think it's too late... but it's your decision.

wherever i search about his site the reviews and the comments i get is GREAT ...just this...GREAT.....the minimum is the only think that scares me a little bit its 25$...thats why i' thinking about the option of cryptoconomist where the minimum is 10$...
..i don't know what i'm gonna do,i haven't decided yet....is there anybody with experience here???....where is everybody?

"trustworth and stable HYIP investement site"  This is impossible in principle, Sooner or later, they are still closed, leaving hundreds of loss...

today i did my 2nd withdrawal from forexshare.biz
again is very small amount i'm just posting to share with you what is going on with the site
totally i'm only 5% ROI which i know is nothing
i will keep update the community

today i did a deposit in cryptoconomist.......wish me good luck!!! ::) ::)

I am currently leap-frogging 3 investments here. I Have had my principle returned many times which is good to see. My only hope is cryptoconomist can operate for another year.  ;D
good luck
cheers
groko

Try BitcoinDuplex.com

yes try another scam ponzi hyip site.
it's sounds better.

You can call it whatever you want, rules of the game are simple. It does work, people enjoy it and it brings them profits, that's what counts.




 

Yes rules are very simple to take people money and run way. Just copy some script and started investment site - 1000% SCAM

every time I ear a new ponzi site, I listen the same claim:
"Deposit this it's new, it's still paying!"
For "definition" an hyip or ponzi pay at start of activities… there is nothing new… also if not pay at beginning it's means that is only a very bad scam site.


this is one of the best answer in this topic.