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Title: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: bitpump on July 11, 2014, 11:24:07 AM
Even if you don't care about climate (who doesn't), help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)

Great use of public ledger and smart contracts to fight global climate change!

SEE VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCtf9eumuhU


VOTE HERE http://climatecolab.org/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300404/planId/1305801

RETWEET https://twitter.com/bitpump/status/487558055291543553

=> Reply / comment this post to support. thanks!


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: cech4204a on July 11, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
I'd promote it but i don't know how, since i'm far away from MIT.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on July 11, 2014, 03:03:29 PM
go for it!


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: Gargulan on July 11, 2014, 03:18:47 PM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: bitcoin_user on July 11, 2014, 05:08:57 PM
Very interesting! I don't get exactly how all the people on earth could all get their private key precisely, but the idea is impressive and its inventor is very convincing!

The beauty of the thing also, as presented in the video, is that we don't NEED to wait for all the climate deniers (as the poster above) that they, eventually, change their mind. Which will arrive in a VERY long time. Maybe when the Netherlands will be under water, nothing left of coral reef... even after, it's better to bet on the existence of the Loch Ness monster  ;D


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 11, 2014, 05:42:05 PM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.

It's more like an industry that is being pushed by the extreme left who then profits by using government contracts and bailout money to foist green technology on people when the market hasn't called for it. Solyndra anyone? The bottom line is they had used the term global warming for decades up until recently and now use climate change so they can't lose if we have a colder than normal winter/cooler than average summer or vice versa. There's record sea ice peaks in Antarctica these days ya know. That said, I have a high regards for MIT and their undergrad mission of expanding Bitcoin into those students' lives.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: zhinkk on July 11, 2014, 05:55:13 PM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.


Why is MIT "too overrated" on everything?


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: sgravina on July 11, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.


Why is MIT "too overrated" on everything?

MIT women (http://web.mit.edu/mitvball/www/women/2010/index.html) are hot!  They are overrated just the right amount.

I am a climate denier.  There is no such thing as climate.  It's just a bunch of sunshine, hot women and air.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: franky1 on July 11, 2014, 11:59:18 PM
my understanding and my theory of implementation

(simplified with least waffle)
imagine there are world 10 super conglomerates(corporations) and they have a CO2 pollution measure that was lets say 1200 combined
now we the people want world pollution to reduce to 1000 (meaning a cap of 100 per conglomerate(on average)

now then we the people offer 1billion cntcoins(Cap n Trade coins) to the 10 conglomerates (100mill per conglomerate)

if one conglomerate managed to not only get their CO2 to 100, but got their CO2 measure to 90, they can sell 10million cntcoins to another conglomerate.

if a conglomerate was over the limit they would be fined a large sum...

EG
British airways got down to 90CO2 (sells 10m cnt's to USoil)
US oil and gas got down to 110CO2 (but has 110m cnt's so not fined)
Chinese manufacturers was at 120CO2 and still at 120CO2. (they only have 100m cnt's so they have to pay a fine MULTIPLE times bigger then 20m cnt to incentive's them to reduce their pollution to then sell cnt's or atleast avoid the fine

the fine: to buy 10m cnt's costs x and being over the limit costs x*10

now thats the simplified version (now lets use real numbers if un-interested dont read on, the waffle and detail begins)

10billion cntcoins each human has 1 coin each on the planet(future proofed until 10billion people alive(so a few years)). we the people have multisig when leasing out the coin to conglomerates we keep 1 signatures of a 3 signature multsig. and give 1 sig to the conglomerate. the other sig goes to a totally unbiased service that analyzes the carbon data.

if a conglomerate improves their CO2 below a freshold set by us, then the conglomerate and us or the analysis service can allow conglomerate to re-lease that to another conglomerate.
if a conglomerate goes over the top. they have to pay each original coin owner a fine for the excess.

now the price part. lets say there are 35billion tonnes of carbon emissions in the world this year (http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11/2012s-carbon-emissions-in-five-graphs/) which breaks down as each cntcoin is 5 CO2 tonnes cap (not 3.5 as there are only 7billion cntcoins in circulation right now not 10billion).

now the distribution (leasing) part
when we buy a flight to another country, the carbon footprint would be known, if we want to use that plane we lease our coin to the flight company. meaning we acknowledge our own allowance for producing emmissions by reducing our 5tonne cap. this makes us truly look at how much we also cause these companies to make emmisions and for us to make wise choices about the things we buy. companies  will try to reduce their emissions to incentivise us to use them by having a less cntcoin price then their competition

EG
2 planes going to same destination. but one has a 0.2cnt price and another has a 0.15cnt price.. we would choose the 0.15 plane

same with buying a sandwich that has excess packaging 0.00001000 cntcoin price vs 0.00000800 we would choose the cheaper option to hold onto as much cntcoin as we can, to not pay a fine for going over our limit of 5co2 tonnes a year

now each year as results come in. corporations and people over their limit are either going to:
1) try buying cntcoins from anywhere they can to avoid the fine.
2) reduce co2 to fall inline with the cntcoin holdings they have
3) pay the fine that amounts to 10x the market value of cnt's for every 5tonne over the limit of cnt's they hold..

(fines split to evenly to whomever is the original owner of the cntcoin)

the flip side. we can only ourselves produce 5tonnes of pollution due to buying stuff from these companies so ultimately by changing how we buy things and having to pay out cntcoins for what we use, we can be fined for going over our limits. so its in our control who we give the cntcoin to and for us to not let or cntcoin get to zero.

because its leasing. each year it resets. companies need to reduce their CO2 to incentivise us to hand over our cntcoin

now my personal thoughts.
there would need to be a service that analysis CO2  (in the video the "reputation" / "ratings" EG ) so those that are fined can be ignored and hopefully people dont give them cntcoins. meaning their fines are bigger if they dont improve next year because they are not getting the coin to cover their emissions.
and thre would need to be a market place for businesses and people to buy and sell excess cntcoins.

after all.. those that are wasteful will want to buy them and those that hoard excess amounts wont get much back from the fines as there are hopefully not many fines, which when diluted per person do not add up to much per person simply by hoarding them. (they can make more leasing coins out basically).

im still figuring out a few logistics. so dont knit pick yet.. just try to add constructive idea's that will make it work better.

my head hurts, night


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: DannyElfman on July 12, 2014, 10:16:06 PM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.

It's more like an industry that is being pushed by the extreme left who then profits by using government contracts and bailout money to foist green technology on people when the market hasn't called for it. Solyndra anyone? The bottom line is they had used the term global warming for decades up until recently and now use climate change so they can't lose if we have a colder than normal winter/cooler than average summer or vice versa. There's record sea ice peaks in Antarctica these days ya know. That said, I have a high regards for MIT and their undergrad mission of expanding Bitcoin into those students' lives.
Liberals tend to want "green" energy companies to get more business because these companies tend to donate huge amounts to liberal campaign funds.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: Gleb Gamow on July 13, 2014, 04:25:43 AM
MIT is too overrated on just about everything. And global laming warming is a scam on epic proportion.


Why is MIT "too overrated" on everything?

Have you seen their train set lately?

http://calculla.com/columnar_add (http://calculla.com/columnar_add)


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: neverminer77 on July 13, 2014, 12:08:13 PM
Bitcoin isn't going to solve climate change... CO2 doesn't care if your money is based on a public ledger or anything.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: 2good2betrue on July 13, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
Fun Fact: Most people at MIT are 18 - 21. Most people who are in this age range know virtually nothing of how to solve the world's problems.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: hollowframe on July 14, 2014, 04:38:41 AM
Fun Fact: Most people at MIT are 18 - 21. Most people who are in this age range know virtually nothing of how to solve the world's problems.
These people are very smart and have the ability to be able to research and figure out how to resolve various issues.


Title: Re: Even if you don't care about climate, help to promote Bitcoin here at MIT :)
Post by: EnterReturn on July 14, 2014, 05:23:46 AM
Tired of the cold, let's help make things warmer! (And plant life more abundant) lol