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Title: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: silversmith on July 14, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
World population:     ~7,000,000,000
Wallets with >0.01:        ~1,000,000

Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC(~$6 USD). Many people own more than one wallet with more than 0.01 BTC so this number is probably much higher.

Bitcoin has a lot more room to grow! A lot!


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: MoreFun on July 14, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC(~$6 USD). Many people own more than one wallet with more than 0.01 BTC so this number is probably much higher.

Many people has more than 0.01 on exchanges or vaults so this number is probably lower. :P


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: yayayo on July 14, 2014, 09:09:27 PM
I think half of the world population will never have access to bitcoin.

But yes, there is a lot more room to grow. But that's no one-way street. Bitcoin still is beta software. Anything can happen.

ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: cech4204a on July 14, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
Well that is some good stats there. I want to know how did you find that stats out? I'd like to know that for other stats to be clear. You can pm me the link.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Baitty on July 14, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
This stat can't be correct. I'm pretty sure nearly 60% of the community has more than 0.01 Bitcoin. maybe in different wallets but it total they have more than that.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: keithers on July 14, 2014, 10:19:46 PM
I've always wondered the numbers actually per person instead of per wallet since so many people have multiple wallets (especially the larger holders).

There really hasn't been very much research done on that yet has there?


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: BitchicksHusband on July 14, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
rpietila has done a lot of research on this.  The numbers have been checked several ways so I think it's about as accurate as we are going to get.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0

According to his work, 91.08% of bitcoin holders have .01 or more.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: navigator on July 15, 2014, 12:42:38 AM
Check out the top of this page
http://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html (http://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html)


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: bitbaby on July 15, 2014, 07:06:05 AM
You're comparing the wallets to the world population, that's just wrong right there, you should first narrow it down to how many people have access to Internet and then how many of those know about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Benjig on July 15, 2014, 06:19:48 PM
rpietila has done a lot of research on this.  The numbers have been checked several ways so I think it's about as accurate as we are going to get.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0

According to his work, 91.08% of bitcoin holders have .01 or more.

So according to that statistic , the majority of bitcoin holders 340k has between 0.1 and 1 bitcoin.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Ed4252 on July 15, 2014, 06:30:16 PM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: wingsfan23 on July 15, 2014, 06:40:36 PM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access

30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

They don't need internet access, there are systems that can transfer bitcoin via txt message.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Ed4252 on July 15, 2014, 06:47:42 PM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access

30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

They don't need internet access, there are systems that can transfer bitcoin via txt message.

for online retail stores

bitcoin isn't gonna grow if people aren't using that


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Benjig on July 15, 2014, 06:52:31 PM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

So 30% of 7,100,000,000 is around 2,100,000,000 so 1,000,000 wallets is still a little compared to people who dont use it. plenty room to grow.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: wingsfan23 on July 15, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access

30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

They don't need internet access, there are systems that can transfer bitcoin via txt message.

for online retail stores

bitcoin isn't gonna grow if people aren't using that

Cell phone minutes (airtime) and MPESA are already being traded peer-to-peer in many African countries with limited internet access. Online retail use is only one piece of the puzzle, it isn't necessary for adoption.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: bigasic on July 15, 2014, 07:03:37 PM
a couple years ago, I was talking to a company about investing in gold, they sell precious metals. I brought up my interest in bitcoin and that I was a miner, etc. He nor his associates ever heard of bitcoin at the time. This was when btc was sub 8 dollars. I told him that it would be a wise investment to at least pick up a few and he said he would but never did. Since bitcoin has got a lot of exposure he calls me every once in a while to get my opinion and to pick my brain. the last time I called, I had to remind him about the missed opportunity but its not too late..

I think if we were to explain that the btc price is still low and good buy it will gain some momentum. But, the more people hear about it the more people will buy it. Its incredibly easy to buy with bitcoin, no worries about your credit card getting stolen and its just so damned easy to pay with btc. once that starts to catch on, there will be a lot more than 1 in 7000 will own more than .01btc.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: scryptasicminer on July 15, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
I think half of the world population will never have access to bitcoin.

But yes, there is a lot more room to grow. But that's no one-way street. Bitcoin still is beta software. Anything can happen.

ya.ya.yo!


A lot of room to grow, yes. It could also mean bitcoin will not be relevant for most of the population out there.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: UnDerDoG81 on July 15, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
The bigger problem is that 1% holds 99% of all BTC so they have too much power. Its the same like with FIAT.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Ibian on July 15, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
The bigger problem is that 1% holds 99% of all BTC so they have too much power. Its the same like with FIAT.
This is not a problem.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Malin Keshar on July 16, 2014, 12:01:44 AM
Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC(~$6 USD). Many people own more than one wallet with more than 0.01 BTC so this number is probably much higher.

Many people has more than 0.01 on exchanges or vaults so this number is probably lower. :P

On the other hand, many people has more than one address with more than 0.01, so the number can be this, lower, or greater and we have no way to know.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Ed4252 on July 16, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

So 30% of 7,100,000,000 is around 2,100,000,000 so 1,000,000 wallets is still a little compared to people who dont use it. plenty room to grow.


Forgot to add young children most likely won't be using bitcoins


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: keithers on July 16, 2014, 03:42:12 AM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

Where did you get those numbers from?   IMO there is no way that 75% of the world has cell phones...  Or do you mean that 75% of the world has the ability to buy a cell phone (if they can afford it)?


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Ed4252 on July 16, 2014, 04:28:56 AM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

Where did you get those numbers from?   IMO there is no way that 75% of the world has cell phones...  Or do you mean that 75% of the world has the ability to buy a cell phone (if they can afford it)?

http://www.rferl.org/content/report-says-75-percent-of-worlds-population-have-mobile-phones/24648234.html
http://mashable.com/2012/07/17/mobile-phones-worldwide/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: Benjig on July 16, 2014, 07:34:00 AM
hmm?

75% of the world have cell phones
around 40% of the world have internet access



30% of the world have both

There actually isn't THAT much room to grow as it seems..

Where did you get those numbers from?   IMO there is no way that 75% of the world has cell phones...  Or do you mean that 75% of the world has the ability to buy a cell phone (if they can afford it)?

http://www.rferl.org/content/report-says-75-percent-of-worlds-population-have-mobile-phones/24648234.html
http://mashable.com/2012/07/17/mobile-phones-worldwide/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use

The wikipedia says that worldwide there are 97 active phones per every 100 citizens, some countries even have more than 100 per every 100 persons like hong kong with 236 phones for every 100 persons. So that statistic of 75 percent is really low.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: giveBTCpls on July 16, 2014, 10:13:43 PM
The bigger problem is that 1% holds 99% of all BTC so they have too much power. Its the same like with FIAT.
This is not a problem.

How it isn't? If they have the same evil intentions as the big FIAT holders of today, we are still screwed. Of course they couldn't (in principle) modify the way Bitcoin works, or could they? (by bribing the developers or whatever). There's also the posibility that big FIAT holders with evil intentions bribe the big BTC stakeholders for more FIAT, power, influence etc.


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: tondaS on July 16, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
The bigger problem is that 1% holds 99% of all BTC so they have too much power. Its the same like with FIAT.
This is not a problem.

How it isn't? If they have the same evil intentions as the big FIAT holders of today, we are still screwed. Of course they couldn't (in principle) modify the way Bitcoin works, or could they? (by bribing the developers or whatever). There's also the posibility that big FIAT holders with evil intentions bribe the big BTC stakeholders for more FIAT, power, influence etc.


Still a lot of Bitcoins has to be mined so the wealth will be spread more evenly with time. And some early adopters big address balances are very likely lost, so cant be used anymore...


Title: Re: Less than 1 in 7000 people in the world own at least 0.01 BTC!
Post by: okthen on July 17, 2014, 12:10:36 AM
The bigger problem is that 1% holds 99% of all BTC so they have too much power. Its the same like with FIAT.
This is not a problem.

How it isn't? If they have the same evil intentions as the big FIAT holders of today, we are still screwed. Of course they couldn't (in principle) modify the way Bitcoin works, or could they? (by bribing the developers or whatever). There's also the posibility that big FIAT holders with evil intentions bribe the big BTC stakeholders for more FIAT, power, influence etc.


Still a lot of Bitcoins has to be mined so the wealth will be spread more evenly with time. And some early adopters big address balances are very likely lost, so cant be used anymore...

The number of bitcoins mined is totally irrelevant to how wealth is spread.
Don't think it will change much from where we're now, just the number of total users will be much higher.