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So I'm a micronationalist for those of you who don't know what a micronation is there is a great wikipedia article about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation)

http://navismaris.webs.com/ (http://navismaris.webs.com/) its important to note that the "theme" of the micronation is no longer pirates. After the old "Governor" decided to step down from his position we voted to change how we represented ourselves, as many of us felt we needed a change. We will have the entire site updated by the end of August!

My micronation currently has seven citizens and our economy is based off of bitcoin and dogecoin. (Our national treasuery deals in bitcoins while our citizens use dogecoin. We hope to have everyone using bitcoin by the end of the year)

I want to hear what you guys think about us using bitcoin as our national currency and would be willing to answer any serious questions you may have about my nation!

interesting, all power to you

Thanks!

Wonder want kind of money are you moving if you own a micronation. Next step is bribing the Pope and converting the Vatican in the Bitcoincan.

This sounds amazing! I have a few questions about your nation, though not related to bitcoin.

1. Is your nation recognized by any other nations or maybe the UN?
2. Where in the world is it located?
3. How does one become a citizen of your nation?
4. Do you have dual citizenships?

We are not recognized by the UN however we are recognized by Mollosia, The New Aerican Empire and, New Scottland.

We are located in northern New Jersey

You have to apply for citizenship and take a test, though we do offer honorary citizenship to those who are not currently members of our nation but provide Aid to us.

All members of Navismaris are technically dual citizens.

Thanks for your questions! If you have any others be sure to ask!

I wonder why you didnt tell the name from the beginning.


http://navismaris.webs.com/

I forgot to put our website in the original post! I fixed it thanks for the reminder!

I will join your nation if you can successfully conduct a political coup in Sparta, NJ, then take a page from The Conch Republic playbook http://www.conchrepublic.com/republic_position.htm

secede, declare war, surrender, then demand foreign aid from the US.

Your motto can be, "Tonight we dine in Sussex County!"

Ha ha! I doubt very seriously that they would even notice us if we did that. We are a micronation and we would like to stay that way, the gray area that we lay in is pretty comfortable for our current size. Thanks for the suggestion though!

i hope people realise that this is not about the real world/land nation.. but someone website being the nation.. trust me the USA wont just hand part of new jersey to 7 people and let them form an actual country that is outside the jurisdictions of U.S law.

they are only recognized by another internet nation aerica (which itself is not a piece of land outside government jurisdiction) it is another imaginary empire based on starfleet (star trek federation of planets).

one thing that is missing in navsmaris and aerica, is an actual land base governed by the micronation and no other government. after all starfleets base is san fransisco and they own and govern the land(well inside the tc show it dos, but not in reality.. but even so its not just about membership its about government and rules).

so this micronation thing is not based on making real world change of real world governments. its simply web based memberships. where people still need to follow the laws of the land,no matter if they are a member of this web based nation.

im smelling a 'finshaggy' uptopia here... this is no different then the bitcoin foundation where there are members and ofcourse membership fee's but the individuals still have to obide by the laws of their countries government. which means the foundation / micronation, has no governing powers in the real material world that we walk every day.

in short its world of war craft. when a member you have to follow th game rules but that does not affect any laws of the real world. its just inside the computer world

This is sort of correct. If you read the wiki page that I posted (Which I'm sure you did) you would know that most micronations exist as either a webiste or as small unrecognized areas of land that are sovereign to larger countries. In our cause we lay claim to a small area of our lake.

We do not have any membership fees however and we don't really charge our citizens for anything. As a matter of fact we pay them for being citizens. (Very small payments) All of our citizens are my close personal friends and family who originally joined the micronation when it was founded, by the original governor.

We exist mostly outside of the computer world to be honest, operating as if we held true sovereignty while still respecting the laws of the United States of America.

If you have any other questions I would be happy to answer them!

1. if you are fully independent from government benefits (social security payments, social housing, etc) do you atleast try to stay away from forming contracts with governments 'acts' and only obey the laws. put simply do you avoid recognition of parking /speeding tickets and any court orders that are not concerning injury/loss by another human.

2. do you know the difference between legal and law

3. do you still pay state/government tax? and not have worries of government response

We 100% recognize any 'acts' issued by the US Government. If a member of our nation is given any citation, ticket, or court order it is our recommendation that he obey it. At this point the US Government is leaving us alone and letting us manage our nation, and we wouldn't want to do anything to make them come down on us.

I do think I know the difference between the two

We still pay a tax on any goods purchased within the united states, and we each individually give foreign aid to the united states around April 15 :D

Like I said before we don't want to do anything to attract negative attention from the united states government.

then your not a nation. unlike the amish or native indians that do not have to worry about government acts and have the freedoms as such, you are nothing more then people playing a game. and not a proper nation.. lol

sorry but your a laughing stock and just a dreamer. im sorry but its true. good luck in life but dont think by any means that you are a separate nation. you are purely a separate society..

You didn't seem to read the wiki page on what micronations are, otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask any questions to realize that micronations are mostly simulations and are typically done for fun.

I appreciate your comments however! I don't want anyone to think that we are actually attempting to hold true Sov!

There is no need to be an asshole about it. Let him have his fun and dont be a douchebag.

Thanks! I just came here to talk a bit about a hobby a few my friends and I have. Figured that maybe some of the people on this forum would find the idea of a "National" currency being bitcoin kind of interesting.

And it is pretty col and i've been doing some googling. But there are some people here act like they just got buttfucked and are shitty so dont listen to them.

I flavor a for-funsies nation over a douchy nation any day of the week. (I meant favor)

I really appreciate that! I'm glad you think micronations are cool, and are interested in them! You should read up on Sealand those guys are pretty hardcore and actually live offshore on an old oil rig.

seems you didnt read it


you are still governed by laws and acts of USA, making you a imaginary country. not a micronation. do not confuse your imaginary country, with the likes of seasteading.. they are on a whole different level both legally and literally..

We still express formal and persistent claim of sovereignty over physical territory. I'm not sure why you are arguing with me about this... We are a micronation weather you like it or not. Also according to the The Montevideo Convention we exceed the minimum requirements to be considered a micronation.

if you proclaim sovereignty then you wont recognize another governments laws.!!!!

sorry but you just playing 'house' or 'mummies and daddies' where you proclaim one person as the authority (the parents) and the rest just dance about acting like the kids.. in reality there is no sovereignty claim and we both know it.

come back when you learn the difference between laws and acts and learn how to ignore acts of another government to atleast be your own governing body.  

how do i word it in a way you understand. hmm.. ok states and counties have their own little rules of decency, but they are still part of the countries laws and acts. this does not make a state an independent nation as they are still ruled by the usa.. a nation..

but goodluck with your game of 'mommies and daddies' . all that your rules in your small community amount to is a family chore list, whose taking out the trash, who does the washing up, who cooks.. its not a nation its just family rules.. you are no where near being anything like a seastead. im sorry but you are not

oh yea by the way, america has no sovereignty.. coz you have no queen. thats what makes me laugh even more, you watch british and canadian(which has a queen) youtube video's but not release that america is a different ball game..

Let's build a Micro Nation based on Bitcoin with no law but only one rule: Respect

sea steaders are doing this already, and proper sea steaders are just following 'common law'. not the acts of countries around them. the OP needs to learn that his game is not in comparison to micronations at all.

I agree. Thats the golden rule after all basically! If we followed that one rule everything would be fine.

Navismaris is a micronation and there is very little you can do or say to change that. You can accept it or you can't. I'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish but its getting kind of old now.

franky1 if your so upset that we consider ourselves a micronation you don't have to keep replying. I use the word sovereignty meaning jurisdiction. (Sovereignty being a synonym)

I'm not claiming to be as far along as seastead.  

read your wiki link..


your a imaginary country/social group.. you have no formal and persistent claim separating yourself from the rule of US government.

if someone broke the law/rules of your family group. you cannot detain or inprison them. as they would just dial 911 and get you arrested for holding them hostage.. you have no authority that is equal to another government. you have no powers to repel government, and you certainly dont have th knowledge to even get 10% claim of being a micronation. you are one of those utopian dreamers that watched maybe 5 you tube videos and then went out playing a game with friends.

you are like kids. you have no clue what a true nation is or does or how it acts. so please do not demean this forum by trying to pretend your something you are not as it makes bitcoiners look bad to be associated with such fallacies.

please come back when you atleast know the laws and acts and can in-power yourself to be a micronation. ntil then continue to play your childish imaginary games.

treat what i say as some motivation to actually learn the truth of reality to later prove me wrong by later being a separate nation that does not follow acts of other nations.. if you do not wish to take that step, then stay under the umbrella of US government laws and acts and just accept your a imaginary country/social group, and just be contempt and happy with that lifestyle.

heres a funny analogy for you..

when a man pretends he is a woman, by putting on a bit of lipstick and wearing a skirt.. that is not a woman. that is a drag queen. do not declare yourself a woman until you had the sex change operation.. and just be happy to be a drag queen.. pretending to be a woman

I'm sorry it bothers you that we are a micronation. If you'd like you can file a complaint by sending us an email. We will get back to you as soon as possible with a response.

Agree, hard to say more :) good luck

lol i do love these bed wetters dreams of one day not wearing a diaper. while pretending they dont wet the bed anymore. lol

one day, maybe one day they will have self control. until then they have to rely on whats around them

Thanks for the comments! Your comments alone have helped increase our sites traffic by 15%!

Arr ye be speakin the wrong language to im matey!  Not hearin yar smarty words ya gots to be speakin what he understands.

You always seem so skeptical so may I ask you what you're thoughts on the Assocation/Micrionation and Bitcoin Bank/Exchange in Antartica are? Here's the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=696063.0. Please actually read it and don't say it's a retarded idea without actually looking into it.

not skeptical, i just like to see projects that have meaning, last-ability and some relevance that can actually do some good for the community, i love doing feasibility studies and researching. so ill take a hard look at your project,

dont worry i always read things and then run them through a few scenario's tests before replying.

Well if this is the case why try talk to talk down on my nation? Though it may not seem like we do, our nation does in fact have imports/ exports with other smaller micronations like mine. For these transactions we use bitcoins, at the moment these transactions are pretty small however given time and support from the bitcoin community I'm 100% sure it will grow.

I'm interested in partnering the Antarctic Bitcoin Micronation/Assocation with micronations. What other Micronations are you partnered with?

That depends on what you mean by patnered.

im sorry but cryptopaths please realise that riso2015 is nothing like your project.

riso has just named his le house a nation...  that is all. but it still complies with laws of the government. making it not a nation. cryptopath your project or idea in antarctica is more of a 'nation' plan, and not the game that riso is playing.. his use of import/export. is not about moving stock between countries. its simply getting a bottle of ketchup mailed to him via UPS or USMAIL. and him simply calling it importing as it sounds good. he has no practical sense of the words true meaning, so dont delve too deep into a partnership..

analogy
riso is playing with lego, while cryptopath wants to build brick houses

Please disregard this guy. I am very interested in what you have to say cryptopath

Lol be that as it may be I'm always interested in micronations and I am willing to establish some partnership with those micronations that display a certain level of commitment and ability.

I am creating a union of sorts of micronations to make things like trade/self governing easier and better, I am contacting micronations such as The Principality of Hutt River and Sealand and I am open to all micronations that display a certain level of commitment to further themselves. Riso do you have the intent to make something more of your micronation?

I am creating a union of sorts of micronations to make things like trade/self governing easier and better, I am contacting micronations such as The Principality of Hutt River and Sealand and I am open to all micronations that display a certain level of commitment to further themselves. Riso do you have the intent to make something more of your micronation?

Yes of course I have intent to make something more of my micronation. Would you like to move this conversation to pms or emails?

Yes we can move this to pms to not bloat this thread, I will send you one in a moment.

People may start creating decentralized states, declaring independence over his property. Some kind of distributed land. Something like public domain for stuff.

The Internet and Bitcoin are tools of direct P2P interactions, which bypass the intermediary of The State. There is a nonzero possibility that the use of these tools (and others) may bring about a vast change in the social order, perhaps leading to the demise of the nation-state.

These micronations may be good laboratories for experimenting with new social order. At this point in time, with various nation-states claiming dominion over every square millimeter of the planet, we have little choice in this endeavor than in creating overlapping jurisdictions.

The more experiments, the better.

I'll agree with franky1 on one point - if you are abiding by the dictates of another entity, then by definition you  not a sovereign nation. But demeaning this endeavor by calling the participants kids and such is merely hateful.

Incidentally, the American plan was that each and every individual was to be sovereign. This is encoded within our founding documents. That hasn't quite worked out in practice.