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Title: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 03:57:18 PM This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement from the beginning. It isn't political fervor; it's ham-fisted religious fundamentalist radicalism.
The Tea Party Isn’t a Political Movement, It’s a Religious One Obama is the Antichrist, Republicans are heretics, and compromise is unholy. Politics can’t explain how the right acts. Jack Schwartz July 13, 2014 America has long been the incubator of many spiritual creeds going back to the Great Awakening and even earlier. Only one of them, Mormonism, has taken root and flourished as a true religion sprung from our own native ground. Today, however, we have a new faith growing from this nation’s soil: the Tea Party. Despite its secular trappings and “taxed enough already” motto, it is a religious movement, one grounded in the traditions of American spiritual revival. This religiosity explains the Tea Party’s political zealotry. The mark of a national political party in a democracy is its pluralistic quality, i.e. the ability to be inclusive enough to appeal to the broadest number of voters who may have differing interests on a variety of issues. While it may stand for certain basic principles, a party is often flexible in applying them, as are its representatives in fulfilling them. Despite the heated rhetoric of elections and the bombast of elected representatives, they generally seek consensus with the minority in order to achieve their legislative goals. But when religion is thrown into the mix, all that is lost. Religion here doesn’t mean theology but a distinct belief system which, in totality, provides basic answers regarding how to live one’s life, how society should function, how to deal with social and political issues, what is right and wrong, who should lead us, and who should not. It does so in ways that fulfill deep-seated emotional needs that, at their profoundest level, are devotional. Given the confusions of a secular world being rapidly transformed by technology, demography, and globalization, this movement has assumed a spiritual aspect whose adepts have undergone a religious experience which, if not in name, then in virtually every other aspect, can be considered a faith. Seen in this light, the behavior of Tea Party adherents makes sense. Their zeal is not the mercurial enthusiasm of a traditional Republican or Democrat that waxes and wanes with the party’s fortunes, much less the average voter who may not exercise the franchise at every election. These people are true believers who turn out faithfully at the primaries, giving them political clout in great excess to their actual numbers. Collectively, this can make it appear as if they are preponderant, enabling their tribunes to declare that they represent the will of the American people. While a traditional political party may have a line that it won’t cross,the Tea Party has a stone-engraved set of principles, all of which are sacrosanct. This is not a political platform to be negotiated but a catechism with only a single answer. It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. They see themselves engaged in nothing less than a project of national salvation. The refusal to compromise is a watchword of their candidates who wear it as a badge of pride. This would seem disastrous in the give-and-take of politics but it is in keeping with sectarian religious doctrine. One doesn’t compromise on an article of faith. This explains why the Tea Party faithful often appear to be so bellicose. You and I can have a reasonable disagreement about fiscal policy or foreign policy but if I attack your religious beliefs you will become understandably outraged. And if I challenge the credibility of your doctrine you will respond with righteous indignation. To question the validity of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Virgin Birth or Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse is to confront the basis of a believer’s deepest values. Consequently, on the issues of government, economics, race, and sex, the Tea Party promulgates a doctrine to which the faithful must subscribe. Democrats and independents who oppose their dogma are infidels. Republicans who don’t obey all the tenants are heretics, who are primaried rather than burned at the stake. Like all revealed religions this one has its own Devil in the form of Barack Obama. This Antichrist in the White House is an illegitimate ruler who must be opposed at every turn, along with his lesser demons, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the country in the last six years and indeed, they represent a liberal legacy that has betrayed America’s ideals for the better part of a century. Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. The only way to save America’s sanctity is to take control of Washington and undermine the federal government while affecting to repair it. Critical to this endeavor is the drumroll of hell-fire sermons from the tub-thumpers of talk radio and Fox News. This national revival tent not only exhorts the faithful but its radio preachers have ultimately become the arbiters of doctrinal legitimacy, determining which candidates are worthy of their anointment and which lack purity. Having created a picture of Hell, the Tea Party priesthood must furnish the faithful with an image of Paradise. This Eden is not located in space but in time: the Republic in the decades after the Civil War when the plantocracy ruled in the South and plutocrats reigned in the North. Blacks knew their place in Dixie through the beneficence of states’ rights, and the robber barons of the North had a cozy relationship with the government prior to the advent of labor laws, unions, and the income tax. Immigrants were not yet at high tide. It was still a white, male, Christian country and proudly so. When Tea Party stalwarts cry “Take back America!” we must ask from whom, and to what? They seek to take it back to the Gilded Age, and retrieve it from the lower orders: immigrants, minorities the “takers” of the “47 percent,” and their liberal enablers. Most critical to any religious movement is a holy text, and the Right has appropriated nothing less than the Constitution to be its Bible. The Tea Party, its acolytes in Congress and its allies on the Supreme Court have allocated to themselves the sole interpretation of the Constitution with the ethos of “Originalism.” Legal minds look to the text to read the thoughts of the Framers as a high priest would study entrails at the Forum. The focus is on text rather than context and authors; the writing rather than the reality in which the words were written. This sort of thinking is a form of literalism that is kindred in spirit to the religious fundamentalism and literal, Biblical truth that rose as bulwarks against modernity. One thing that Tea Partiers and liberals alike both recognize is that the Constitution forbids the establishment of religion. The prohibition was erected for good reason: to prevent the religious wars that wracked Europe in the previous century. The Enlightenment was to transcend such sectarian violence inimical to the social order together with the concomitant religious oppression that burdened individual conscience. By investing a political faction with a religious dimension the Tea Party presents a challenge to both religion and democracy. Jack Schwartz supervised Newsday's book pages and was a longtime editor at several New York dailies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-tea-party-isn-t-a-political-movement-it-s-a-religious-one.html Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Wilikon on July 17, 2014, 04:01:35 PM http://quizlet.com/5435505/7-types-of-propaganda-techniques-flash-cards/ http://www.timesexaminer.com/bob-dill/1000-saul-alinsky-cloward-piven-and-the-delphi-technique Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: umair127 on July 17, 2014, 04:29:39 PM Governor tells Iowans to ‘repent’ in official proclamation for Christian revival at Capitol
An official proclamation signed by Gov. Terry Branstad (R-IA) has called on Iowans to pray and repent on a daily basis. In a public ceremony earlier this year, Branstad signed the proclamation ahead of a July 14 revival at the Iowa Capitol: NOW, THEREFORE, I, Terry E Branstad, as Governor of the State of Iowa, do hereby invite all Iowans who choose to join in the thoughtful prayer and humble repentance according to II Chronicles 7:14 in favor of our state and nation to come together on July 14, 2014.On Tuesday, Branstad was also one of the speakers at the 11-hour Christian event. The governor explained that his proclamation “was very much in line with the great tradition” that started with President George Washington. Branstad thanked the attendees for encouraging those who served in public office to “follow God’s will.” Iowa Lt. Gov. Kim Reynold (R) also spoke, praising the crowd for “standing up for our rights, and for individual liberties.” The “If 7:14″ campaign sponsored by Iowa’s Family Leader asks everyone to set their cell phones to remind them to pray and repent each day at 7:14 a.m. Video below from The Family Leader, broadcast July 15, 2014: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/15/governor-tells-iowans-to-repent-in-official-proclamation-for-christian-revival-at-capitol/ Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 04:35:31 PM A very interesting post. It does seem to fit what is happening with the tea party today. Sadly it is turning into a religion of hatred.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: zolace on July 17, 2014, 04:41:48 PM If there's anything "religious" about the tea party movement; it in the vein of deprogramming the followers of the cult of Obama.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 17, 2014, 04:48:18 PM This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement from the beginning. It isn't political fervor; it's ham-fisted religious fundamentalist radicalism. Working to destroy our economy is not economic responsibity. And that is exactly what the tea party is doing. Grab your gun and spout hatred of liberals. (All Americans that do not agree with them.)It is not economic responsibity to let your country fall into disrepair. While the tea party refuses to solve any problem unless it makes huge cuts to our children and will spent no money to bring us into the 21 century as they prefer yesterday. Well Yesterday is gone forever and will not return.The Tea Party Isn’t a Political Movement, It’s a Religious One Obama is the Antichrist, Republicans are heretics, and compromise is unholy. Politics can’t explain how the right acts. Jack Schwartz July 13, 2014 America has long been the incubator of many spiritual creeds going back to the Great Awakening and even earlier. Only one of them, Mormonism, has taken root and flourished as a true religion sprung from our own native ground. Today, however, we have a new faith growing from this nation’s soil: the Tea Party. Despite its secular trappings and “taxed enough already” motto, it is a religious movement, one grounded in the traditions of American spiritual revival. This religiosity explains the Tea Party’s political zealotry. The mark of a national political party in a democracy is its pluralistic quality, i.e. the ability to be inclusive enough to appeal to the broadest number of voters who may have differing interests on a variety of issues. While it may stand for certain basic principles, a party is often flexible in applying them, as are its representatives in fulfilling them. Despite the heated rhetoric of elections and the bombast of elected representatives, they generally seek consensus with the minority in order to achieve their legislative goals. But when religion is thrown into the mix, all that is lost. Religion here doesn’t mean theology but a distinct belief system which, in totality, provides basic answers regarding how to live one’s life, how society should function, how to deal with social and political issues, what is right and wrong, who should lead us, and who should not. It does so in ways that fulfill deep-seated emotional needs that, at their profoundest level, are devotional. Given the confusions of a secular world being rapidly transformed by technology, demography, and globalization, this movement has assumed a spiritual aspect whose adepts have undergone a religious experience which, if not in name, then in virtually every other aspect, can be considered a faith. Seen in this light, the behavior of Tea Party adherents makes sense. Their zeal is not the mercurial enthusiasm of a traditional Republican or Democrat that waxes and wanes with the party’s fortunes, much less the average voter who may not exercise the franchise at every election. These people are true believers who turn out faithfully at the primaries, giving them political clout in great excess to their actual numbers. Collectively, this can make it appear as if they are preponderant, enabling their tribunes to declare that they represent the will of the American people. While a traditional political party may have a line that it won’t cross,the Tea Party has a stone-engraved set of principles, all of which are sacrosanct. This is not a political platform to be negotiated but a catechism with only a single answer. It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. They see themselves engaged in nothing less than a project of national salvation. The refusal to compromise is a watchword of their candidates who wear it as a badge of pride. This would seem disastrous in the give-and-take of politics but it is in keeping with sectarian religious doctrine. One doesn’t compromise on an article of faith. This explains why the Tea Party faithful often appear to be so bellicose. You and I can have a reasonable disagreement about fiscal policy or foreign policy but if I attack your religious beliefs you will become understandably outraged. And if I challenge the credibility of your doctrine you will respond with righteous indignation. To question the validity of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Virgin Birth or Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse is to confront the basis of a believer’s deepest values. Consequently, on the issues of government, economics, race, and sex, the Tea Party promulgates a doctrine to which the faithful must subscribe. Democrats and independents who oppose their dogma are infidels. Republicans who don’t obey all the tenants are heretics, who are primaried rather than burned at the stake. Like all revealed religions this one has its own Devil in the form of Barack Obama. This Antichrist in the White House is an illegitimate ruler who must be opposed at every turn, along with his lesser demons, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the country in the last six years and indeed, they represent a liberal legacy that has betrayed America’s ideals for the better part of a century. Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. The only way to save America’s sanctity is to take control of Washington and undermine the federal government while affecting to repair it. Critical to this endeavor is the drumroll of hell-fire sermons from the tub-thumpers of talk radio and Fox News. This national revival tent not only exhorts the faithful but its radio preachers have ultimately become the arbiters of doctrinal legitimacy, determining which candidates are worthy of their anointment and which lack purity. Having created a picture of Hell, the Tea Party priesthood must furnish the faithful with an image of Paradise. This Eden is not located in space but in time: the Republic in the decades after the Civil War when the plantocracy ruled in the South and plutocrats reigned in the North. Blacks knew their place in Dixie through the beneficence of states’ rights, and the robber barons of the North had a cozy relationship with the government prior to the advent of labor laws, unions, and the income tax. Immigrants were not yet at high tide. It was still a white, male, Christian country and proudly so. When Tea Party stalwarts cry “Take back America!” we must ask from whom, and to what? They seek to take it back to the Gilded Age, and retrieve it from the lower orders: immigrants, minorities the “takers” of the “47 percent,” and their liberal enablers. Most critical to any religious movement is a holy text, and the Right has appropriated nothing less than the Constitution to be its Bible. The Tea Party, its acolytes in Congress and its allies on the Supreme Court have allocated to themselves the sole interpretation of the Constitution with the ethos of “Originalism.” Legal minds look to the text to read the thoughts of the Framers as a high priest would study entrails at the Forum. The focus is on text rather than context and authors; the writing rather than the reality in which the words were written. This sort of thinking is a form of literalism that is kindred in spirit to the religious fundamentalism and literal, Biblical truth that rose as bulwarks against modernity. One thing that Tea Partiers and liberals alike both recognize is that the Constitution forbids the establishment of religion. The prohibition was erected for good reason: to prevent the religious wars that wracked Europe in the previous century. The Enlightenment was to transcend such sectarian violence inimical to the social order together with the concomitant religious oppression that burdened individual conscience. By investing a political faction with a religious dimension the Tea Party presents a challenge to both religion and democracy. Jack Schwartz supervised Newsday's book pages and was a longtime editor at several New York dailies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-tea-party-isn-t-a-political-movement-it-s-a-religious-one.html Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: umair127 on July 17, 2014, 05:21:33 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 05:33:08 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 17, 2014, 05:59:50 PM I'd like to make a distinction between Tea Party republicans and the liberty republicans. Unfortunately, the Tea Party started out based on fiscal issues alone but along the way it became bastardized by some establishment figures trying to inject the religious social stuff back into the fold which inevitably would marginalize the movement and then come full circle back to normal republican days prior to 2009. If we want to get technical about things, it was on Dec 16. 2007 when Ron Paul and co raised $6+million on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party that was the real start of the modern Tea Party movement until Santelli and subsequently Glenn Beck took it over after the fact and made it broader.
Politically, now the establishment just bombards certain party primaries, where there's a Tea Party candidate running, with lots of money or outright voting fraud as is currently being found in the past US Senate Primary in Mississippi. Even though I don't care for much of their religious baggage (should be a private thing) I usually support their types over establishment republicans as a rule of thumb. They are much more willing to attempt to hold the line on spending and that's a big fricking deal these days when the debt is $17 trillion + and counting while establishment republicans always cut deals w/ the progressives unless there's a political reason not to. Sen. Ted Cruz and Sen. Mike Lee are good examples of these types. Now the liberty republicans. These types are Sen. Rand Paul, Rep Justin Amash, Rep Thomas Massie, and a dozen or so more and growing each election cycle. These types are much more willing to do non-traditional republican things like fight the NSA, audit the Fed, push for foreign non-intervention to name a few. This is definitely where I spend my time and money, where by the former just usually gets my vote. The main key here is to keep building an anti-establishment alliance with whoever will be part of it and that means rogue progressives on certain issues too. At least now a days, republicans are trending in a more populist way towards that of the liberty republicans and that's why Rand is gaining more support. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Cicero2.0 on July 17, 2014, 06:03:42 PM This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement from the beginning. It isn't political fervor; it's ham-fisted religious fundamentalist radicalism. Working to destroy our economy is not economic responsibity. And that is exactly what the tea party is doing. Grab your gun and spout hatred of liberals. (All Americans that do not agree with them.)It is not economic responsibity to let your country fall into disrepair. While the tea party refuses to solve any problem unless it makes huge cuts to our children and will spent no money to bring us into the 21 century as they prefer yesterday. Well Yesterday is gone forever and will not return.The Tea Party Isn’t a Political Movement, It’s a Religious One Obama is the Antichrist, Republicans are heretics, and compromise is unholy. Politics can’t explain how the right acts. Jack Schwartz July 13, 2014 America has long been the incubator of many spiritual creeds going back to the Great Awakening and even earlier. Only one of them, Mormonism, has taken root and flourished as a true religion sprung from our own native ground. Today, however, we have a new faith growing from this nation’s soil: the Tea Party. Despite its secular trappings and “taxed enough already” motto, it is a religious movement, one grounded in the traditions of American spiritual revival. This religiosity explains the Tea Party’s political zealotry. The mark of a national political party in a democracy is its pluralistic quality, i.e. the ability to be inclusive enough to appeal to the broadest number of voters who may have differing interests on a variety of issues. While it may stand for certain basic principles, a party is often flexible in applying them, as are its representatives in fulfilling them. Despite the heated rhetoric of elections and the bombast of elected representatives, they generally seek consensus with the minority in order to achieve their legislative goals. But when religion is thrown into the mix, all that is lost. Religion here doesn’t mean theology but a distinct belief system which, in totality, provides basic answers regarding how to live one’s life, how society should function, how to deal with social and political issues, what is right and wrong, who should lead us, and who should not. It does so in ways that fulfill deep-seated emotional needs that, at their profoundest level, are devotional. Given the confusions of a secular world being rapidly transformed by technology, demography, and globalization, this movement has assumed a spiritual aspect whose adepts have undergone a religious experience which, if not in name, then in virtually every other aspect, can be considered a faith. Seen in this light, the behavior of Tea Party adherents makes sense. Their zeal is not the mercurial enthusiasm of a traditional Republican or Democrat that waxes and wanes with the party’s fortunes, much less the average voter who may not exercise the franchise at every election. These people are true believers who turn out faithfully at the primaries, giving them political clout in great excess to their actual numbers. Collectively, this can make it appear as if they are preponderant, enabling their tribunes to declare that they represent the will of the American people. While a traditional political party may have a line that it won’t cross,the Tea Party has a stone-engraved set of principles, all of which are sacrosanct. This is not a political platform to be negotiated but a catechism with only a single answer. It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. They see themselves engaged in nothing less than a project of national salvation. The refusal to compromise is a watchword of their candidates who wear it as a badge of pride. This would seem disastrous in the give-and-take of politics but it is in keeping with sectarian religious doctrine. One doesn’t compromise on an article of faith. This explains why the Tea Party faithful often appear to be so bellicose. You and I can have a reasonable disagreement about fiscal policy or foreign policy but if I attack your religious beliefs you will become understandably outraged. And if I challenge the credibility of your doctrine you will respond with righteous indignation. To question the validity of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Virgin Birth or Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse is to confront the basis of a believer’s deepest values. Consequently, on the issues of government, economics, race, and sex, the Tea Party promulgates a doctrine to which the faithful must subscribe. Democrats and independents who oppose their dogma are infidels. Republicans who don’t obey all the tenants are heretics, who are primaried rather than burned at the stake. Like all revealed religions this one has its own Devil in the form of Barack Obama. This Antichrist in the White House is an illegitimate ruler who must be opposed at every turn, along with his lesser demons, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the country in the last six years and indeed, they represent a liberal legacy that has betrayed America’s ideals for the better part of a century. Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. The only way to save America’s sanctity is to take control of Washington and undermine the federal government while affecting to repair it. Critical to this endeavor is the drumroll of hell-fire sermons from the tub-thumpers of talk radio and Fox News. This national revival tent not only exhorts the faithful but its radio preachers have ultimately become the arbiters of doctrinal legitimacy, determining which candidates are worthy of their anointment and which lack purity. Having created a picture of Hell, the Tea Party priesthood must furnish the faithful with an image of Paradise. This Eden is not located in space but in time: the Republic in the decades after the Civil War when the plantocracy ruled in the South and plutocrats reigned in the North. Blacks knew their place in Dixie through the beneficence of states’ rights, and the robber barons of the North had a cozy relationship with the government prior to the advent of labor laws, unions, and the income tax. Immigrants were not yet at high tide. It was still a white, male, Christian country and proudly so. When Tea Party stalwarts cry “Take back America!” we must ask from whom, and to what? They seek to take it back to the Gilded Age, and retrieve it from the lower orders: immigrants, minorities the “takers” of the “47 percent,” and their liberal enablers. Most critical to any religious movement is a holy text, and the Right has appropriated nothing less than the Constitution to be its Bible. The Tea Party, its acolytes in Congress and its allies on the Supreme Court have allocated to themselves the sole interpretation of the Constitution with the ethos of “Originalism.” Legal minds look to the text to read the thoughts of the Framers as a high priest would study entrails at the Forum. The focus is on text rather than context and authors; the writing rather than the reality in which the words were written. This sort of thinking is a form of literalism that is kindred in spirit to the religious fundamentalism and literal, Biblical truth that rose as bulwarks against modernity. One thing that Tea Partiers and liberals alike both recognize is that the Constitution forbids the establishment of religion. The prohibition was erected for good reason: to prevent the religious wars that wracked Europe in the previous century. The Enlightenment was to transcend such sectarian violence inimical to the social order together with the concomitant religious oppression that burdened individual conscience. By investing a political faction with a religious dimension the Tea Party presents a challenge to both religion and democracy. Jack Schwartz supervised Newsday's book pages and was a longtime editor at several New York dailies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-tea-party-isn-t-a-political-movement-it-s-a-religious-one.html So spending ludicrous amounts of money to further a political agenda and having every child in the western world born into debt is somehow preferable? I am no fan of the tea party but raising the most indebted generation in world history seems far more immoral than anything the tea party is advocating. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: zolace on July 17, 2014, 06:06:17 PM This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement from the beginning. It isn't political fervor; it's ham-fisted religious fundamentalist radicalism. Working to destroy our economy is not economic responsibity. And that is exactly what the tea party is doing. Grab your gun and spout hatred of liberals. (All Americans that do not agree with them.)It is not economic responsibity to let your country fall into disrepair. While the tea party refuses to solve any problem unless it makes huge cuts to our children and will spent no money to bring us into the 21 century as they prefer yesterday. Well Yesterday is gone forever and will not return.The Tea Party Isn’t a Political Movement, It’s a Religious One Obama is the Antichrist, Republicans are heretics, and compromise is unholy. Politics can’t explain how the right acts. Jack Schwartz July 13, 2014 America has long been the incubator of many spiritual creeds going back to the Great Awakening and even earlier. Only one of them, Mormonism, has taken root and flourished as a true religion sprung from our own native ground. Today, however, we have a new faith growing from this nation’s soil: the Tea Party. Despite its secular trappings and “taxed enough already” motto, it is a religious movement, one grounded in the traditions of American spiritual revival. This religiosity explains the Tea Party’s political zealotry. The mark of a national political party in a democracy is its pluralistic quality, i.e. the ability to be inclusive enough to appeal to the broadest number of voters who may have differing interests on a variety of issues. While it may stand for certain basic principles, a party is often flexible in applying them, as are its representatives in fulfilling them. Despite the heated rhetoric of elections and the bombast of elected representatives, they generally seek consensus with the minority in order to achieve their legislative goals. But when religion is thrown into the mix, all that is lost. Religion here doesn’t mean theology but a distinct belief system which, in totality, provides basic answers regarding how to live one’s life, how society should function, how to deal with social and political issues, what is right and wrong, who should lead us, and who should not. It does so in ways that fulfill deep-seated emotional needs that, at their profoundest level, are devotional. Given the confusions of a secular world being rapidly transformed by technology, demography, and globalization, this movement has assumed a spiritual aspect whose adepts have undergone a religious experience which, if not in name, then in virtually every other aspect, can be considered a faith. Seen in this light, the behavior of Tea Party adherents makes sense. Their zeal is not the mercurial enthusiasm of a traditional Republican or Democrat that waxes and wanes with the party’s fortunes, much less the average voter who may not exercise the franchise at every election. These people are true believers who turn out faithfully at the primaries, giving them political clout in great excess to their actual numbers. Collectively, this can make it appear as if they are preponderant, enabling their tribunes to declare that they represent the will of the American people. While a traditional political party may have a line that it won’t cross,the Tea Party has a stone-engraved set of principles, all of which are sacrosanct. This is not a political platform to be negotiated but a catechism with only a single answer. It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. They see themselves engaged in nothing less than a project of national salvation. The refusal to compromise is a watchword of their candidates who wear it as a badge of pride. This would seem disastrous in the give-and-take of politics but it is in keeping with sectarian religious doctrine. One doesn’t compromise on an article of faith. This explains why the Tea Party faithful often appear to be so bellicose. You and I can have a reasonable disagreement about fiscal policy or foreign policy but if I attack your religious beliefs you will become understandably outraged. And if I challenge the credibility of your doctrine you will respond with righteous indignation. To question the validity of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Virgin Birth or Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse is to confront the basis of a believer’s deepest values. Consequently, on the issues of government, economics, race, and sex, the Tea Party promulgates a doctrine to which the faithful must subscribe. Democrats and independents who oppose their dogma are infidels. Republicans who don’t obey all the tenants are heretics, who are primaried rather than burned at the stake. Like all revealed religions this one has its own Devil in the form of Barack Obama. This Antichrist in the White House is an illegitimate ruler who must be opposed at every turn, along with his lesser demons, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the country in the last six years and indeed, they represent a liberal legacy that has betrayed America’s ideals for the better part of a century. Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. The only way to save America’s sanctity is to take control of Washington and undermine the federal government while affecting to repair it. Critical to this endeavor is the drumroll of hell-fire sermons from the tub-thumpers of talk radio and Fox News. This national revival tent not only exhorts the faithful but its radio preachers have ultimately become the arbiters of doctrinal legitimacy, determining which candidates are worthy of their anointment and which lack purity. Having created a picture of Hell, the Tea Party priesthood must furnish the faithful with an image of Paradise. This Eden is not located in space but in time: the Republic in the decades after the Civil War when the plantocracy ruled in the South and plutocrats reigned in the North. Blacks knew their place in Dixie through the beneficence of states’ rights, and the robber barons of the North had a cozy relationship with the government prior to the advent of labor laws, unions, and the income tax. Immigrants were not yet at high tide. It was still a white, male, Christian country and proudly so. When Tea Party stalwarts cry “Take back America!” we must ask from whom, and to what? They seek to take it back to the Gilded Age, and retrieve it from the lower orders: immigrants, minorities the “takers” of the “47 percent,” and their liberal enablers. Most critical to any religious movement is a holy text, and the Right has appropriated nothing less than the Constitution to be its Bible. The Tea Party, its acolytes in Congress and its allies on the Supreme Court have allocated to themselves the sole interpretation of the Constitution with the ethos of “Originalism.” Legal minds look to the text to read the thoughts of the Framers as a high priest would study entrails at the Forum. The focus is on text rather than context and authors; the writing rather than the reality in which the words were written. This sort of thinking is a form of literalism that is kindred in spirit to the religious fundamentalism and literal, Biblical truth that rose as bulwarks against modernity. One thing that Tea Partiers and liberals alike both recognize is that the Constitution forbids the establishment of religion. The prohibition was erected for good reason: to prevent the religious wars that wracked Europe in the previous century. The Enlightenment was to transcend such sectarian violence inimical to the social order together with the concomitant religious oppression that burdened individual conscience. By investing a political faction with a religious dimension the Tea Party presents a challenge to both religion and democracy. Jack Schwartz supervised Newsday's book pages and was a longtime editor at several New York dailies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-tea-party-isn-t-a-political-movement-it-s-a-religious-one.html Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 17, 2014, 06:08:06 PM It was because the Founding Fathers did not want an official state religion like England had. Find us one Founding Father quote that says it was to 'prevent religious wars'. Liberals are so full of crap!
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Mike Christ on July 17, 2014, 06:11:31 PM They're all religious movements; they all espouse strict adherence to the state, and if you disagree: KILL THE HERETIC
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 17, 2014, 06:22:23 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 17, 2014, 06:44:16 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.These guys understand these differences. TEA= "Taxed Enough Already" Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: TheButterZone on July 17, 2014, 11:15:01 PM Funny, my Tea Party didn't have fuck all to do with religion, as I fucking hate religion. More revisionist history from the statists.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 18, 2014, 12:55:16 AM This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement .... Damn right it was and is a grassroots movement.And I've been urging them to start taking donations in Bitcoin. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 18, 2014, 12:56:41 AM Funny, my Tea Party didn't have fuck all to do with religion, as I fucking hate religion. More revisionist history from the statists. They seemed to respect my atheist inclinations when I joined up with them.Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: zolace on July 18, 2014, 02:16:58 PM They are so desperate to discredit the tea party movement they can't even rewrite history logically, LOL
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: sana8410 on July 18, 2014, 02:24:50 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael. Quote Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention. Quote from Mother Jones: In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya." Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips. http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.html Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Rigon on July 18, 2014, 02:31:14 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael. Quote Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention. Quote from Mother Jones: In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya." Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips. http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.html how about we look at what Barry Soetoro fell from a communist polygamist and a porn star mom?????? an uncle that's a murdering would be dictator???????? a grandfather who was supported by his wife his entire life??????? Do you really want to get into family histories???????????????????? Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: sana8410 on July 18, 2014, 02:34:16 PM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael. Quote Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention. Quote from Mother Jones: In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya." Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips. http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.html how about we look at what Barry Soetoro fell from a communist polygamist and a porn star mom?????? an uncle that's a murdering would be dictator???????? a grandfather who was supported by his wife his entire life??????? Do you really want to get into family histories???????????????????? Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: sana8410 on July 18, 2014, 02:38:42 PM It was because the Founding Fathers did not want an official state religion like England had. Find us one Founding Father quote that says it was to 'prevent religious wars'. Liberals are so full of crap! The English Civil War was fought in large part because the Puritans didn't feel that the Church of England was pure enough, and hated Laud for reinstalling some of the gaudier Catholic rites and forms. The whole point of the fear of an established church was the sectarianism that could lead to those sort of conflicts as had occurred barely a century before our own revolution. Religion is EXACTLY what led to the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution in 1688, do you know anything?Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 02:46:26 PM The Teabaggers do seem to go beyond the ordinary ideological sticks-in-the-mud, I am reading a book by Pat Buchanan right now about how Nixon united the GOP in 1964-68 and even he understood at the time the necessity of bending a bit with the wind. But the Teabaggers are so rigid that they can only be described as "stiffnecked" in the sense of the Jews who stuck their necks out to be hacked by the Romans rather than submit to the desecration of the temple by Roman totems to the Emperor.
And speaking of the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution, Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 18, 2014, 04:38:40 PM I am deeply committed and involved with three VERY active local local Tea Party groups in Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. NEVER, even once has religion been mentioned except 'under God' in the Pledge.Since we limit our vetting to our single Fiscal Sanity issues, there is no question that we will elect candidates with their 'social positions such as religion, all over the spectrum. Still, it is understandably why you Anti-American, Liberal Moonbats keep our Tea Party Movement as front page news. Fiscal Sanity VERY apparently scares all Parasites and Piranhas.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 04:43:13 PM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism.
Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 18, 2014, 05:17:32 PM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 05:25:19 PM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: beetcoin on July 18, 2014, 05:28:55 PM is it really a religious movement? because its engineers are politicians; koch brothers. it's a pseudo grassroots movement, i agree, but the guys who bankrolled it probably wanted to be known as the masterminds that created it. they just want to obstruct governance and work their agenda.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Westin Landon Cox on July 18, 2014, 09:17:43 PM I'm shocked (shocked!) to hear Obama drones spreading lies about the Tea Party. Just kidding. No one expects the truth from lefties.
My experience with the Tea Party in the Dallas area has also been that they're mostly focused on fiscal issues. A lot of them are Republicans who were annoyed to put up with Bush's massive increase in the government. The fact that Obama's accelerated the expansion just makes it worse. They also tend to emphasize following the Constitution, which is considered radical and extreme by most politicians. Bush reportedly called the Constitution "just a goddamn piece of paper". That the progressive movement has been out to undermine the Constitution has been well-documented since the time of Wilson. Anyone who thinks Obamacare is constitutional is delusional. I'm not calling the 5 members of the USSC who said it's constitutional delusional. I'm saying they didn't believe it either. As much as the lefties hate the Tea Party and lie about them, I'm convinced the Republican Party hates them even more. Look at what they did to Joe Miller in 2010. Look what they did to get their bitch Thad the nomination in MS a few weeks ago. The Republican Party *hates* the Tea Party. On the other hand, the lefties don't just lie, call the Tea Party racist, laugh and pronounce "Koch" the wrong way like goddamn idiots. Or shout "teabagger"! "teabagger"! The left actually uses the goddamn IRS to go after members of the Tea Party. And do you really think the Republicans are trying to get to the bottom of this IRS scandal? They want to use it to get more Thadpublicans elected. They're *happy* the IRS went after the Tea Party. I think it's time for Tea Party sympathizers to recognize that the United States, as a constitutionally limited republic, is lost. There is no chance of electing people who believe in fiscal sanity. There is no chance of electing people who follow the Constitution. There is nothing close to a majority that believes in such things, and, if such a majority were to exist, there are forces powerful enough to defeat it. Instead of pointlessly working to get people elected, I seriously think the Tea Partiers who believe in liberty and fiscal sanity should take a look at the ideas of cryptoanarchy. I don't consider myself a cryptoanarchist, but in a time like this we need to recognize useful alliances against common powerful enemies. The IRS cannot harass you if they don't know who you are and they don't know how you're funded. Cryptoanarchy has solutions to these problems. Use them. Go dark. Then throw the tea in the harbor. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: beetcoin on July 18, 2014, 09:22:34 PM ^ the problem is that the most well-known teabaggers are some of the dumbest people in the country.
off the top of my head, i can name you some really dumb people: sarah palin, tod akin, michelle bachman. and there's really nothing you can say to defend your party when everyone talks about how the koch brothers engineered the tea party. it was a fake grassroots movement. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Westin Landon Cox on July 18, 2014, 09:31:50 PM The dumbest people in the world are Obama supporters. Close runner ups are Joe Biden and Harry Reid, but at least they both have the excuse of being brain damaged from medical conditions.
Todd Akin wasn't Tea Party. He's just an idiot liars like to associate with the Tea Party, because that's the kind of thing liars do. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: beetcoin on July 18, 2014, 09:34:56 PM nice job trolling. i like it how rightwing nuts like you ignore 3 of the examples i give, and then argue against one subject. have fun fear mongering your family and friends about how obama is an autocratic nazi born in kenya to terrorist muslim parents.
oh, and here is information on todd akin, the tea party-backed candidate in 2012. i'm even using your favorite news source as evidence. you'll probably end up interpretting it however you like, since you seem to live in a tea party bubble. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/ Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Westin Landon Cox on July 18, 2014, 09:59:08 PM You're jumping to a lot of conclusions, but I suppose that's because you need to keep your worldview simple.
That article says Akin *claimed* to be Tea Party. It also said he beat the candidate Palin endorsed. Does that confuse you? I'm not a huge Palin fan, but the only evidence that's she's dumb is that she's bad in hostile interviews. Oh, and she has a funny accent. I suppose we'll find out if Obama's bad in hostile interviews if he ever has one. Bachmann was always more of a Mark Levin type. Levin is sympathetic to the Tea Party, and his book Liberty and Tyranny was a big influence on the start of the Tea Party, but it's not a very direct connection. Yes, I suppose she's Tea Party, but not the best representative. In any case, the Tea Party is quite decentralized (contrary to your Koch fantasies). There. I commented on all three. Oh, and the Koch brothers have been part of the liberty/libertarian movement for decades. As far as I'm concerned people who have a problem with the libertarian movement in general should GTFO of Bitcoin and join something more suitable. Maybe an ILoveTheStatecoin. By the way, I find it amusing to be called a "troll" by anyone who uses the term "teabagger". It's like being called a racist by a klansman. For Tea Party types reading this, it's because of assholes like this that you need to go dark. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 01:46:18 AM The dumbest people in the world are Obama supporters. Close runner ups are Joe Biden and Harry Reid, but at least they both have the excuse of being brain damaged from medical conditions. Todd Akin wasn't Tea Party. He's just an idiot liars like to associate with the Tea Party, because that's the kind of thing liars do. Regardless, I have no qualms being associated with a movement that has as it's motto "Taxed Enough Already" and which does not have a bunch of side issues on social agendas. That's about as simple as it gets, isn't it? Obviously, we're seeing the orchestration of the beginning (drumroll) of the smear campaign against the fiscal conservatives in the lead up to the 2014 elections. How about that. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Bimmerhead on July 19, 2014, 02:19:43 AM A very interesting post. It does seem to fit what is happening with the tea party today. Sadly it is turning into a religion of hatred. Why is it the actual haters are always the first to accuse the other side of hatred?You post an article with the sole purpose of slandering a group of people who are trying to bring a semblance of fiscal sanity to the most indebted country in the history or the world and they are haters? Have you also yet figured out that the article is not saying the TEA Party is an actual religion (Christian fundamentalist) but rather has the characteristics of a religion, as do socialism, atheism, and especially the environmental movement? Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 03:33:20 AM A porn star mom? No kidding? You really need to be a a rubber room somewhere. Well, I for one am not hold that heritage against him.We have serious ideological and practical work ethic differences, and in any case, his mom never rose to the level of stardom. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Cicero2.0 on July 19, 2014, 04:03:09 AM It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael. Quote Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention. Quote from Mother Jones: In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya." Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips. http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.html I am no christian in the traidtional sense, but I have to disagree with your assertion. There is no christian "jihad." If they start blowing up buses filled with peple and flying planes into buildings we might have an issue. Aside from being annoying (evangelicals) christians as a group are mostly harmless. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Elwar on July 19, 2014, 07:53:58 AM "What the Tea Party is."
-Author: someone who doesn't know what the Tea Party is but wants you to believe what they think the Tea Party is as to discredit it. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: newflesh on July 19, 2014, 10:47:17 AM I've always seen the Tea Party as the Occupy Wall Street for the 1%ers. When you've got dirtbags like the Koch brothers supporting a 'movement' then you know it can only be bad thing.
Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 12:02:32 PM A very interesting post. It does seem to fit what is happening with the tea party today. Sadly it is turning into a religion of hatred. Why is it the actual haters are always the first to accuse the other side of hatred?Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 12:10:34 PM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. The religious right has always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. The rich have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections The tea party is the republican base made out to be something different, because hardly anyone defines themselves as being a republican anymore. If you want the tea party to go away then republicans will have to regain power so their base is no longer needed to hold the fort Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: sana8410 on July 19, 2014, 12:19:03 PM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. Do tell, please. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 19, 2014, 06:47:56 PM Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward
Tea party groups' lawsuit against IRS over reported extra scrutiny moves forward Quote CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny. In her ruling Thursday, Judge Susan Dlott allowed two of the tea party groups' claims — including that the IRS discriminated and retaliated against them based on their views in violation of their free speech rights — to survive to trial. The Cincinnati-based Dlott did dismiss a third claim, ruling the tea party groups could not pursue allegations of privacy violations on behalf of their individual members. The individuals themselves have to do that, she said. Edward Greim, the lead attorney for the tea party groups, said Friday he is pleased the case will move forward. More details...http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-groups-suit-against-185614227.html (http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-groups-suit-against-185614227.html) Despite what one's take on the different tea party groups is (yes there are hundreds throughout the country w/ a few monolithic ones), they were persecuted by corrupt progressive government officials at the IRS and that should speak volumes by itself. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 08:01:57 PM .... Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside Apparently the Tea Party is special enough to cause 10% of the donors to get audited. Like me. This thread has just convinced me to donate to the Tea Party again. Thanks. PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: TheButterZone on July 20, 2014, 05:57:50 AM Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. Nope, but thanks for playing revisionist history bingo. http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Bimmerhead on July 20, 2014, 11:51:35 PM Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. Nope, but thanks for playing revisionist history bingo. http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan Nice! Careful their leftist heads may explode. Then there's this gem: http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-history Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 21, 2014, 12:55:09 AM Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism. That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them. I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear. . Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: beetcoin on July 21, 2014, 01:18:12 AM .... Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside Apparently the Tea Party is special enough to cause 10% of the donors to get audited. Like me. This thread has just convinced me to donate to the Tea Party again. Thanks. PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in. yeah, let's just take them for their labels, and cast aside all the shit they've done. that makes a whole lot of sense. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Elwar on July 21, 2014, 09:25:27 AM The very idea of race is a collectivist notion.
Obsessing about collectives is a weakness shared by racists. Title: Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement Post by: Elwar on July 21, 2014, 09:33:15 AM PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in. Ya, I didn't realize how cool the Koch brothers were until I watched a Chris Hayes (is that the MSNBC liberal dude's name?) hit piece on them telling about their history. Talked about his time in the Libertarian Party, their fight for free market economics, etc. I used to think they were two rich douches trying to take over Ron Paul's Tea Party movement. I will still reserve judgement until I do my own research but they don't really affect me so there's no need. |