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The world does not look good.

 In Ukraine it seems like the people want to be Russian, but we are supporting a private nationalist military that is hunting down separatists. But the separatists have shot down an international flight, so now we are with the nationalists and against the Russians. BUT just south of the Russia Ukraine border is the North Korean border, and because of the sanctions the US has on North Korea, they are slaving their people in the woods of Russia, and if Putin knows about that, it means Russia is working with North Korea. And it seems Germany is working with Russia, but they don't like us now because we were spying on them.

 Then, in Iraq we are sharing airspace with Russia, and fighting the rebels, while in Syria (next to Russia) we are supporting the rebels as they fight their dictator. This is what is becoming ISIS, which could now pose some kind of international terrorist threat soon.

 Then, to make it worse, Israel is bombing Palestine while we try to negotiate with Iran about their nuclear program, but we let Saudi Arabia do whatever they want even though they are in every way as bad as Iran.

 AND.
 In Africa there are various civil wars going on that are similar to the Israeli Palestine conflicts, with smaller poor people's fighting a larger more wealthy occupying force and various situations caused by oil companies and leftover colonization politics.

 So... WW III seems like it is almost unavoidable.

I don't know about world war 3. I think we will get very close to war but war will not break out. Both the US and Russia have nukes and both countries know that war with each other could mean the end of the world

America would not be the ones fighting Russia. Ukraine would.

America would be pulled in later.

There would need to be something really serious to have happened to which the media could whip the American public into a fury as currently they want nothing to do w/ another war. That said, there is a macho "American exceptionalism" vein floating through much of the public at large and if that gets pinched, all bets are off of what they'll take. I know the American.Gov and there MIC masters have lots of stuff that can go boom and more than willing to use it if they get the chance.

North Korea has been taking propaganda pictures of their leader at missile launches. They launch missiles in the water all the time, but now they are doing it with their leader at the launch to watch it happen. Probably to add national pride to the equation.

And if Russia knows about the North Korean camps in Siberia that means they are teamed up. And Russia alone could cause Commie Nostalgia and get everyone in a war frenzy, but if we find out North Korea and Russia are working together, there is no question America will have red in its eyes.

Let's face it, as the domestic economy here keeps dragging on and getting worse the next best thing to take peoples' minds off of it is another altercation. And, the bigger the better to flush more money and lives down the drain yet the nationalism that will be spewed by the media will keep things at bay.

Distracting the population can be done cheaper using entertainment and welfare.

i hope no world war soon

Just a note: North Korea is very far from Ukraine, not just south it

All these weapons built arent going to pay for themselves.

Some believe WWIII already started with Iraq war.

Two things,

Either there were already a WW3, if we consider those USxUSSR wars by proxy as such, or there wasn't and hopefully there won't be one.

I'm tired of prophets of the Apocalypse! Why so eager to announce a WW3?! You want to come on the afterlife to say something like "I told ya"?!

Russia is NOT trying to start WW3. Obama is doing far more harm to America than a war. If they really want a war they will wait till his cabal is out. However Russia does need a ground route to its southern ports in

Well, Russia started WW2 by pushing Hitler to invade Poland and agreeing to split it between Germany & Russia. Let Hitler and Europe destroy themselves then Russia takes all of Europe. Too bad the Japanese spoiled their plans by bombing Pearl Harbor. They're doing the same thing by arming & pushing the separatist to fight whille denying knowledge. I guess it's between the devil we know and the devil we don't or at least America's atrocities are in limited warfare and not responsible for global warfare eg. Agent Orange, white phospherous incendiary bombs in Vietnam killing thousands, maybe more if we consider the effects lingering for many generations.

We're disturbingly close to WW3 but I'm hoping that our self-appointed leaders aren't THAT stupid that they're going to let a third world war happen on their watch, by the way, to anyone over 50, thanks for fucking up the planet so badly. All it's going to take is for a stray rocket or two to hit Russia or China ( China is extremely close to Afghanistan in case you didn't try looking at a map ) and then there will be an all out war, all we can do is trust that the people who actually have their hand on the weaponry will show restraint.

[sarcasm]That's the best revisionist rewrite of WWII history that I've ever seen. [/sarcasm]

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Written by an American, who understands what is going in:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/fast-track-to-wwiii-usas-goal-is-to-overturn-putin/

You never know when it will start, but it will start for sure. There is too much tension around world.

http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/fast-track-to-wwiii-usas-goal-is-to-overturn-putin/



PS: I started seeing the signs in April, in this Bitcointalk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584031.0

no i don't think there will be ground troops. most likely it'll just be a chess match of attrition and economics.

The fact that Obama is our current president would be an argument for Russia to try to start a war because they know that Obama will do nothing about it and doesn't know how to lead a military.

Errr... it depends on how you define near,  do you happen to own a supersonic jet?  :)

The North Koreans working in Russia are the somewhat privileged ones - they get stuff like alcohol, cigarettes etc. I don't think it's bad that North Koreans are allowed to work in Russia. The NK government needs to modernize, which is the mean problem in NK.
Presently North Korea could easily be crushed if it was on an island, the army technology of some countries is far beyond what NK has, but NK has some good allies (China). NK may well go the way of China in the future.


This is what the media portrays, in reality German government is closely working with the US. There are more than 40 US army bases in Germany https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/US_military_bases_in_Germany.svg/592px-US_military_bases_in_Germany.svg.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/US_military_bases_in_Germany.svg/592px-US_military_bases_in_Germany.svg.png)  and the German secret service was actually inspired by the NSA leaks, they think they ar not doing enough mass surveillance. Nevertheless they have been part of the PRISM program for a long time, and to avoid any legal situation they exchange US and German citizen data, in which both can access each others data.

   
The middle east has always been a place of wars, for as long as I can remember.


The financial situation is not yet worse enough to bring WW III.  Back in WWII or WWI the majority of the people were unemployed - but you still see the highways filled with traffic jams every day. In addition, the people need a common threat, a common fear, to be manipulated into a war. The media will teach you who that enemy is supposed to be.. watch closely :)
 

The geopolitical situation in Russia border and middle east suggested the prologue for WWIII has started.

You are right that war is like an evolution, it starts with only a few countries - but we are not yet in a situation of total war. Of course, the financial crisis will be a big motivation for people to join in a war - once it reaches the point of no return.

would it really be world war? or would it just be russia against the world? maybe china would even get into the game, but those two guys pitted against of the might from the US + europe ... is just no match.

There are currently 2 axis of power at world stage.
US, UK and to some extend fragmented Europe, and Japan on one side.

And Russia, China and pretty much every country that has huge trade with China.

If anyone think US has a clear advantage right now, he is surely not paying attention to US domestic issue.

I don't think it will happen. I hope not. Many countries starting from BRICS for example, are not interested in major war and will do whatever is possible to avoid it. Unless there is a open attack on Russia for example, I think this latest scandal will die out, once the inconsistencies in current accusations will be exposed.

Yeah, I looked at the map wrong. lol
I meant very East.

I think World WAR III already happened, right after WW II and we called it ''Cold War''.
We had luck, at that time, that this World War didn't become ''hot'' or nuclear war.
If this happened, our civilization will be ruined.

Putin is one of the few current politicians, who acts cool-headed, balanced and non-confrontational, even in the face of provocations.

An interesting read in this new article:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/263457-putin-ne-uvidel-pryamoi-ugrozy-suverenitetu-rossii

Putin does not see any direct threat to Russia's sovereignty and territorial integrity, citing the current balance of strategic power in the world. He however, says that in the face of the increased NATO build-up at the Russian borders, Russia should gradually improve its defensive capabilities.

I would like to believe that WW3 will never happen. Most of the super-powers have realized that waging war by proxy is much better than getting involved directly. But that said there is still a 0.00001% chance of a major battle starting between the superpowers.

War is good for the military industry complex. Investing in weapon producing company can be lucrative.

The powers of this world are not the gov and they want massive death.. war will happen.

yeah that's the new model since world war 2.. it's better/more efficient to play economic wars and sanctions than it is to send ground troops to their death. problem with proxy wars in the middle east is that there are so many factions that might turn on you, so you could be wasting your money on giving them those arms and training.

financial crisis will give countries not to go to war because countries will need to spend more money to prop up their economies at home so they can't be spending money on war

i don't know, the americans went to war in WW2. the economy still was anemic due to the great depression, yet america profited from the war like no other nation in the history of mankind. but then again, it seems like a lot of the consequences in ww2 really weakened european countries.

Even if some of the factions turn against you, you can recruit some other faction to wage the war for you. No matter how powerful these factions are, they can't survive without outside support.

it's not like the US is the only outside support. they could go to U.S. enemies and ask for funding, like russia. who is ISIS backed by now? i believe it is now the saudis? and china is slowly becoming a world power.. i wouldn't be surprised to see it play the proxy war game. and syria seems to have an alliance with russia.

Of course, Russia doesn't want Bin Ladens near it's border so they support the present Syrian government. Russia has many allies and are still an enormously powerful country. If it wasn't, the US would be invading instead of sanctions.

i doubt the U.S. would be invading. since WW2, i can't recall of a developed nation trying to invade another developed nation (then again, russia did it to the ukraine.. but there's so much media attention on it). russia is certainly powerful especially with its oil exports, but i think a bigger deterrent is that it has nuclear weapons and capabilities.

I don't know but .... I hope not!

We are already at war. The war is not fought with armies and tanks, but trade and economics, energy and resources, electronics and intelligence, politics and allies. Just look at Russia and China, they are aggressively expanding their boarders.

First, big economies should break down and when WW3 happens, it will be the biggest rise of Bitcoin.

You are right, Germanys economy is much too strong to start a new world war.. maybe the US will start this time, we seem to be preparing for it. 

We only entering the first phase the next phase will be war with missiles and drones and the last phase will be nuclear/EMP/Biological and would be catostropic. A war not seen before and possibly could end the world as we know it.

We will always be at that war, and that's a good thing. Brain wars are to be hailed!

Armies, tanks and bombs are the ones to be avoided.

+1

That's true and most tank wars etc are started by economics of different countries and that will always be the case.

Tank wars are a way to show intellectual diminishing. It's like starting to punch an opponent in a debate.
Economics are the outcome of culture, in the long run a culture with more brain power will overcome the slack cultures and will become richer.
Then sometimes, more than desirable, these weak cultures instead of try to improve their own brain power to compete, tries to be patronized and play "victim" to eventually militarily attack the other.

That is a rather cynical view.

I see the missles and nukes are used as threats and bargaining chips rather than as weapons. The war nowadays are economic powers playing "the good guy" role bribing weaker powers for their voice (or silence) in the UN, bullying the weaker "bad guys".

At some point it will have to happen. there is to much unresolved conflicts and problems in the world that will blow up evantually.

I don't think it is likely to happen

The Global Unraveling Of Flight MH-17

Published on Jul 23, 2014
Alex talks with Michel Chossudovsky, an award-winning author, professor of economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, founder and director of the Center for Research on Globalization, and editor of the globalresearch.ca website. Alex and Mr. Chossudovsky talk about the downing of MH-17 and the effort to frame Russia and the separatists in Ukraine who are attempting to free themselves from the grasp of the quasi-fascist government installed in Kiev by the U.S. State Department.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhhuVnWXVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhhuVnWXVk)

Usually I find Alex Jones to be a bit too hysterical, but this is one of his better casts, with some very sobering insights about our corporate media and the industrial war complex its quiet chilling.


"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." - -US President Dwight Eisenhower

I think some people in high places miss the cold war but couldn't bring it back, so we're now going to have a 20 year long 'luke warm war' instead; there will be more actual fighting, but nobody will take it quite as seriously.

Something to consider is that as the world becomes more integrated, the relevance for government diminishes. Look at Europe you can drive trough without border controls etc.
The more free trade that occurs the less the need for military, I have a real sense that the industrial military complex saw the writing on the wall and is in many cases is engineering this insane instability to justify the need for government and themselves.

Creating instability to justify the need for more government - quite possibly. But the lack of border control in Europe has got nothing to do with diminishing government, its because we've buit a whole extra, less democratic, less open, and less accountable layer of government above the national one (the European Union), and they are gradually shifting power away from national government and towards this 'higher' level of government. It began as a free trade area, so its sort of like NAFTA telling the US that they aren't allowed to control immigration with Mexico any more because NAFTA is more important than America.

I don't see it happening mainly due to Russia. They would likely be the spark to cause it but the people at the top in Russia are so filthy rich with their current corrupt system they have really nothing to benefit and everything to lose.

Just like Russia had everything to lose from entering WWI, yet it was dragged into it, and we all know the consequences (USSR for one, and Russia, that started to become an industrial country well on the way to constitutional monarchy, being thrown back decades in its development). Nothing is here to stop the history from repeating itself.

US pulling out its Cold War-era plans over Ukraine conflict, top commander admits
http://rt.com/usa/175596-dempsey-ukraine-cold-war/


Now, seeing as US started the whole bloody (literally) mess in Ukraine, they simply showed now that they were itching to play with those plans again...