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That mean air-air missile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Ea97DTwA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l115fJpCIfc
BUK make huge rumor and is evident for locals for filming.

Are you sure now ? It's not an Ukrainian surface to air ? please choose...

As You see on video, launch of BUK missile is hard to hidden from locals for some 10 minutes...

i do not try to argument, i just ask what theory do you choose cause you change your mind very much on this affair and i try to follow what do you think.

I'm still waiting on ICAO and official investigation.

Where is the picture of missile launch flash?
Greedy Pentagon, show it to people...

I heard that the SA-11 creates a huge smoke ploom during its launch, which can be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away.

Actually, it won't be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away, but the plume would still be visible from a far distance (depends on weather) to question if there had really been a SAM deployed (given that no photos, videos, or eyewitnesses' evidence have been presented so far).

Giving too much credit to Pentagon.

The satellite may be malfunction or not in line of sight to record the event.

Considering the missiles move about 1 mile per second, there are very few techniques other than direct visualization that a satellite could use to detect a launch.  It it could utilize doppler or ground based radar it could track an object without direct visualization.

Yeah I don't know what the satellite network is capable of but I assume we do not have coverage of the entire planet at all times. Maybe if we did they would have found the other Malaysian airliner that was lost.

Both Russia and the USA have the satellite early warning systems that consist of reconnaissance satellites. These satellites use sensors that detect the infrared emissions from the intense sources of heat emitted at missile launches and nuclear explosions. For example, the American system (called Defense Support Program) was able to detect the launches of Iraqi Scud missiles during the Desert Storm military operation.

Also, a Buk missile's speed is around 1 kilometer per second.

Obviously record is being erased to hide truth.

It is called the Farthest Visible Distance. I read somewhere that a mountain peak, which is 2 miles high (~3,200 meters) will be visible from a distance of 252 miles. The plume here is at least 10 km high (33,000 feet). So it should be visible from a distance of hundreds of kms.

Not necessarily. You obviously don't take into account the physical sizes of a mountain and trail of smoke. Also, you omit from consideration weather conditions such as cloudiness, for example. In the periods of overcast weather you won't be able to discern the plume even from a distance of a few kilometers (let alone hundreds).

Even if it is so, the plume would have been at least visible for a radius of 5-6 kms (probably for a radius of at least 50 km). Hundreds of YouTube videos are circulating showing the crash site immediately after the ruins were found (15 minutes after the crash?). Some of them shows the sky as well. The plume is not visible in any of those videos.

An example is here (second part of the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7S6jqsUbxg

Also this one (taken immediately after the crash):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brZ7FODl68s

The trajectory of a BUK missile is not ballistic. So it might have been fired a dozen kilometers away from the crash site. Look at this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-QjpC3m5U) and judge for yourself.

 

Dnepropetrovsk air control attendants are kidnapped by SBU.

Even if it was fired from a dozen km away from the crash scene, the head of the smoke plume must be vertically above the crash site. Also, at higher altitudes, the air pressure is very low and the plume lasts for much longer.

How's that? The plane was hit at an altitude of 10+ km which is well above clouds. If it was taken down by a SAM, the most of the missile's trajectory would be close to horizontal. What are you really going to see from the ground (given overcast)?

Did you watch the video at the link I provided?

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly.  Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze.  But yes no video has shown a trail.

Flash is secondary, working radar is easy to see too. No radar detection from that area.

It makes me wonder where all the evidence the world was going to present point finger at the rebels?

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

I am pretty sure that radar is the way that intelligence sources were able to determine where the missile was launched from.

The thing is that nobody cares. Nobody will admit a mistake and say: we done it or that the rebels were not to blame.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Censored video from BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4

http://vz.ru/society/2014/7/24/696996.html

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal.  The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

LOL

This looks pretty accurate as to what John Kerry is saying.

Although it is technically true, but Obama has done very poorly on the foreign policy side of things.

No other promises of that picture?

Its Brilliant and should be tweeted!


https://twitter.com/TuskBilasimo/status/492449457272012800

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

I would have to look at the crash videos a lot more but I remember seeing a lot more cloud cover on that day.  I can't what the zoom scale is or make out any landmarks.  That's a job for those conspiracy peeps  ;)

My point was that satellite infrared sensors can capture smaller missile launches given suitable atmospheric conditions, if of course this video was not an ICBM launch. ;)

Oh I know they can record it.  What I was discussing is the automated relay certain satellites can do to NORAD.  My dad initially worked on FAADC2I (later FAADC3I) and then went on into satellite work with NG - while this is nowhere near my line of work as a physician I did read up on it quite a bit.

Thermal IR imaginery has a granularity of about 1/3 that of optics currently, so whatever can be defined by an optical eye has to be 3x larger for an IR eye to see.  a BUK can easily be seen, but having the system automatically note it a missile launch detect is something else. 

On the ground and on vehicle remain burned fuel. Where is that point? Why Ukrainians show not "clean vehicles"? Radars of BUK-M1 are easy to find during work.

No proofs.

The missile was likely much smaller then an ICMB, probably not more then a few dozen feel long at most. Media reports have also said that the types of missiles in question are highly mobile so it was likely not shot from a known missile site.

I'm still waiting.

As we all are. Governments probably know everything about this case. They are just stingy to share it with the people. This is matter of political interest and area of influence in Europe. Keeping organized chaos there may bring something good for some people I assume.