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Title: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 07:20:57 PM http://3wwar.ru/images/2014/07/2014071804.jpg
http://3wwar.ru/images/2014/07/2014071805.jpg Upper side from behind is damaged. Place where aircraft lost communications (Kremenchuk): http://3wwar.ru/images/2014/07/2014071803.jpg KREMENCHUK (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B3&hl=ru&ie=UTF8&sll=49.065783,33.410033&sspn=0.326165,0.856934&t=h&hnear=%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B3,+%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C,+%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0&z=11) Territory under control of DNR/LNR - Novorossia (Donetsk) http://gazeta.eot.su/sites/default/files/articles/23/map-05.png Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 07:38:59 PM http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-07-17/15972c00-0de8-11e4-9c42-cbf5f3e0dfd0_RTR3Z3JK.jpg
Holes or pieces of soil/dirt? Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: bitsmichel on July 20, 2014, 07:49:21 PM I think it's possible that it was a missile. But if it is in fact a missle, it is still uncertain who fired it and why. To start a war over this, would have the same catastrophe as the 9/11 situtation (financial crisis), as in .. it costs a lot more than the event itself.
Of course, the airplane didn't fly around the Ukraine - this is the cheapest route, and airplane personal never cared about its customers in that way. They often fly with too few fuel, a lot of corruption in the industry. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 08:00:36 PM it is still uncertain who fired it and why Concentrate about place, where jet was hit. Who can launch missile or hit with air-air missile there? This place is deep under Kiev control, and no Russian Federation military jets are seen there. Any BUK from Donetsk or Russian Federation can hit Malaysian aircraft in that dot. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 08:21:27 PM Missiles doesn't fly on straight line, most models aims for the heat generated by the jets.
From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems... Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 08:22:26 PM Missiles doesn't fly on straight line, most models aims for the heat generated by the jets. BUK is with radar.From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: cech4204a on July 20, 2014, 08:32:42 PM Holes could be added later when plane crashed and also on that photo that you showed is soil. Even air-air missile could reach it's target from lower point so it could have hit plane from lower part.
Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 20, 2014, 08:33:24 PM Haven't heard of this air-air missile theory yet but Alex Jones and company have an interesting take on it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg) Quote MALAYSIAN FLIGHT FALSE FLAG EVIDENCE REVEALED Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed Less than 24 hours after the devastating attack that downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17, Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed…before an investigation has even been launched. We break down the repetitive false-flag narrative. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 08:37:14 PM Holes could be added later Have you more question, why OSCE people become not "FULL ACCESS" to put some shit on crime scene? ICAO is still not there, why? Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: SirChiko on July 20, 2014, 08:38:45 PM http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-07-17/15972c00-0de8-11e4-9c42-cbf5f3e0dfd0_RTR3Z3JK.jpg That's clearly dirt and not any holes ::)Holes or pieces of soil/dirt? Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 08:47:03 PM That's clearly dirt and not any holes ::) When there is no holes, the only one way is the bomb on board. Still waiting on pictures with holes. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: bitsmichel on July 20, 2014, 08:48:49 PM Quote Holes or pieces of soil/dirt? You may wonder why the soldier is walking on top of the wing.. there is plenty of space next to it. ??? If you zoom in on the picture you can see there are stones and mud on the wing. the dirt likely came from his shoes. On the bottom left there is a large black spot, which is probably from an explosion. I think a bomb is more likely, given the location where it happend - but it could have been a missle. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: omgbossis21 on July 20, 2014, 09:00:52 PM They should clean the dirt off that wing before somebody thinks it was an air to air missile.
Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: hologram on July 20, 2014, 09:07:26 PM You may wonder why the soldier is walking on top of the wing.. there is plenty of space next to it. ??? Maybe for fun, no need to look for strange explication. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 20, 2014, 09:22:33 PM That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily.
Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: SirChiko on July 20, 2014, 09:25:44 PM That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily. Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 09:37:52 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 09:39:57 PM That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily. Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. First picture is a low-res video frame from lifenews. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 09:45:15 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 09:46:28 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: SirChiko on July 20, 2014, 09:48:13 PM That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily. Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. First picture is a low-res video frame from lifenews. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 09:54:52 PM No holes.
http://blog.corbis.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/42-60449008.jpg Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: SirChiko on July 20, 2014, 09:59:50 PM No holes. It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere. http://blog.corbis.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/42-60449008.jpg Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:01:05 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:03:55 PM It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere. Oh.. find it on Youtube, PLS. Have You idea about History in Your browser? Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:06:06 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:07:26 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:16:38 PM No holes.
http://www.phamhongphuoc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/140717-flight-mh17-shut-down-ukraine-38.jpg Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:20:24 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: hologram on July 20, 2014, 10:21:45 PM So your new theory ? please post a link of the weapon you think about (technology description).
Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:26:47 PM I'm waiting on picture with shrapnel and ICAO investigation.
If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: SirChiko on July 20, 2014, 10:43:45 PM It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere. Oh.. find it on Youtube, PLS. Have You idea about History in Your browser? Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: hologram on July 20, 2014, 10:47:48 PM I'm waiting on picture with shrapnel and ICAO investigation. If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board. was an air-air missile few hours ago... Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:48:02 PM I'm deleting my history after some time :/ but i belive it's been radio communication where they said that they have shot the plane but they thought it was an plane with putin onboard that had go the same way. Something new. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 10:55:36 PM was an air-air missile few hours ago... I'm not ICAO.I found some low-res picture with description, and go to examine it, found other high-res pictures published now, jet parts are with no holes from shrapnel. What is wrong? Still waiting proofs from Pentagon about missile start flash and place of start. Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 11:01:56 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 11:18:20 PM Quote MONTRÉAL, 18 July 2014 – In response to an official request from the Government of Ukraine for assistance with the official accident investigation into the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) will be sending a team to assist the Ukrainian National Bureau of Incidents and Accidents Investigation of Civil Aircraft (NBAAII). http://www.icao.int/Newsroom/Pages/Ukraine-requests-ICAO-assistance-in-MH17-accident-investigation.aspx Where is this team? Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 11:39:22 PM Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: 247crypto on July 20, 2014, 11:43:49 PM was an air-air missile few hours ago... Watch other low-res picture with "evidence of shrapnel" - http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fedge.liveleak.com%2F80281E%2Fll_a_s%2F2014%2FJul%2F17%2FLiveLeak-dot-com-c51_1405636891-bdrgj_1405637104.png%253Fd5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd7934b43d2d2991e%2526ec_rate%253D230&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arrse.co.uk%2Fcommunity%2Fthreads%2Fbreaking-malaysia-airlines-mh17-plane-shot-down-in-ukraine.216527%2Fpage-26&h=376&w=704&tbnid=S8LatmIiQMGylM%3A&zoom=1&docid=vP038lhyqHZ6CM&ei=lknMU4_qEIeVPP_JgcAH&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygBMAE&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=825&page=1&start=0&ndsp=26 Title: Re: Evidence of air-air missile. Post by: bitsmichel on July 20, 2014, 11:49:45 PM was an air-air missile few hours ago... Watch other low-res picture with "evidence of shrapnel" - http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fedge.liveleak.com%2F80281E%2Fll_a_s%2F2014%2FJul%2F17%2FLiveLeak-dot-com-c51_1405636891-bdrgj_1405637104.png%253Fd5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd7934b43d2d2991e%2526ec_rate%253D230&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arrse.co.uk%2Fcommunity%2Fthreads%2Fbreaking-malaysia-airlines-mh17-plane-shot-down-in-ukraine.216527%2Fpage-26&h=376&w=704&tbnid=S8LatmIiQMGylM%3A&zoom=1&docid=vP038lhyqHZ6CM&ei=lknMU4_qEIeVPP_JgcAH&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygBMAE&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=825&page=1&start=0&ndsp=26 It's the same part, from a different angle. The picture is of too low resolution to really be very valuable. I think the media is very fast to conclude the cause. For all I know it could be Al Quadia bombs. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 12:27:33 AM No holes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR5JSI8aO_Q Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 12:48:40 AM Upper side. Possible damages from air-air missile, not shrapnel.
http://s020.radikal.ru/i706/1407/1f/5b31b3603295.jpg Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 12:54:46 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjguaqKFLx4
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 01:01:35 AM http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/petrowsky-photo/album/154557/?
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 01:10:01 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 01:18:01 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 01:50:29 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 02:02:56 AM On warhead of BUK missile are 60 KG of shrapnel... where are all that holes??
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 02:04:51 AM Possibile air-air missile proofs, but amount of holes is small.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/1026294/1026294_original.jpg Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: iTRADEbtc on July 21, 2014, 03:18:02 AM There are several pictures of the plane with holes in it.
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 03:33:06 AM There are several pictures of the plane with holes in it. Post them PLS here. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 03:41:06 AM Who have seen something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrYZiiR5Zno Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: kactech on July 21, 2014, 06:30:44 PM http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/b324fdf5-fb31-447b-9cd5-1500d2ecca8b.img
source (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/1d6a9ac2-10e3-11e4-b116-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3883sXnIW) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtElluOCAAAyEWC.jpg source (https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/491215166780874752/photo/1) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtDEIn0IIAAIo9k.jpg:large source (https://twitter.com/TomCoghlan/status/491108372281032704/photo/1) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtDE1p5CUAAEUq9.jpg:large source (https://twitter.com/TomCoghlan/status/491109080707387392) Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: BCEmporium on July 21, 2014, 06:42:39 PM What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: bitsmichel on July 21, 2014, 07:19:43 PM What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile. Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes. I don't think is it possible to take down a boeing like airplane using an machine gun? ??? especially if it is flying higher than 5km Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: BCEmporium on July 21, 2014, 07:32:07 PM What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile. Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes. I don't think is it possible to take down a boeing like airplane using an machine gun? ??? especially if it is flying higher than 5km Even if it was possible, that method would give time for the pilot to cast a mayday over the radio. Whatever was the pilot had no time to do anything. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: burekzastonj on July 21, 2014, 08:28:10 PM Remember it can be all set-up for a media coverage, so US will have a good enough reason to invade.
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 09:56:18 PM Super. That is not Buk (ground-air missie).
This damages are from air-air missile R-27 Topor, or R-73. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 10:30:10 PM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 10:31:20 PM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 11:23:26 PM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 21, 2014, 11:35:30 PM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtGbX2XIcAAUbem.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtGbX3WIAAAsqOc.jpg:large Malaysia delegation rep and Dutch rep now signing to receive #MH17 black boxes from rebels in #Donetsk. you wonder if Malaysia treating the rebels with diplomatic protocol will have repercussions. But still a big step Both sides are using some sort of stamp on the #MH17 black box protocols. Old habits die hard in the DNR #MH17 black boxes now in hands Malaysia delegation. Rebel leader Borodai: "Today is a very important day for the Donetsk People's Republic." Malaysian "would like to convey our sincere appreciation to His Excellency Mr. Borodai for obeying our request." Malaysia delegation says he isn't interests in blame game, but just wants black boxes because they "are property of Malaysia." Malaysia: "We show to the people of Malaysia that we are so serious to make these things be recovered from Malaysia." Malaysia National Security Council member/delegation head says he is pleased that #MH17 black boxes appear intact. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on July 27, 2014, 12:36:16 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: kerimk2 on July 27, 2014, 02:01:05 AM in your Mum
heh heh, betcha didn't see that one coming Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 01, 2014, 01:44:34 PM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 07:44:24 PM Still no info about...
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 04, 2014, 12:03:07 AM http://s005.radikal.ru/i210/1408/ff/d3f896dd1c96.jpg
60 KG of shrapnel is something other, than that. Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 11, 2014, 10:35:24 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 11, 2014, 11:40:09 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 11, 2014, 11:41:52 AM Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on August 11, 2014, 11:51:36 AM http://s008.radikal.ru/i306/1408/51/1478c5000273t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/fp/a1af27695ac24fef8457671c6fc6ab16)
Title: Re: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Post by: 247crypto on September 06, 2014, 08:57:19 AM Experts need time for the true ::) ::) ::)
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