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https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/966

This my friends is what power lust looks like. Mr. Luke Jr. wants your location easily traceable when using Bitcoins. He wants you to fear the powers that be when you deal in Bitcoins. Bitcoin users could then be controlled.

Let's keep a watchful eye on people like Mr. Luke and their proposals. With no vigilance, stuff like this could be merged.

You advocate a surveillance of Luke Jr. because he advocates surveillance of you? Interesting.  What is it like living inside your hypocritical mind, Atlas?

Deleted. Misunderstood proposal.

Being audited by the IRS because your IP was on a compromised node is far more severe than stalking Mr. Luke-Jr's merge requests.

One entails costly paperwork and possibly bankruptcy. The other entails minor social consequences.

So you admit that when push comes to shove, your philosophy is dropped at the door and you will advocate violence and coercion?

The IRS's involvement in anything you do is also a social consequence.

Sheesh, he's talking about recording info he already has access to and making it easy for other's to do the same right? Don't send blocks or tx from your own IP if you don't want them to be connected.

+1

Atlas is just fear mongering to suit the needs of his deranged and self-important, spergy existence.

"Look at me! Look at me! I have a mouth hole! When can I have my Nobel Peace Prize for rescuing Bitcoin from the people who helped make it while I, a talentless fuckwitt, just stood by and gawked giving pseudo intellectual inexperienced opinons?"

I have no philosophy. I just want privacy to be inherent in Bitcoin.

Anyways, you're being retarded, so no fucks are given, Matthew.

OP, do you have a general problem with helping people record things they already know?

If Luke-Jr could find the pictures of thousands of naked teenagers on Facebook through obscure means, should those be made publicly available and easily viewed?

I see no benefit in making IPs easily accessible. I see it only as a means to instill fear and control.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/apples-and-oranges.jpg

And yet you use the DNS system by typing in a domain name instead of an IP address?

https://i.imgur.com/DMkoO.gif

It seems I am overreacting. I truly understand what this actually is now but I am still skeptical.

Of course he should. Post-Tits.

Sadly, for my sense of empathy, /b/ already does this.

Are you advocating child pornography? Be careful, Atlas might start a phone drive to support Parapain reporting to the Spanish authorities that you might be going to Pattaya.

Stuff getting merged requires 51% of the Bitcoin world's hashing power to agree with it.

If anything, we should keep a watchful eye on you so that we can be there to take the photos of when you snap and start shooting people in a public square for your deranged and sociopathic reasons.

That's irrelevant if people don't know what's in the upgrade. That's why I am calling for awareness and NOT trusting people's word. We need to read in between the lines and not just the title.

Oh, Atlas. What would we do without you. Without your noble position in the community of calling out everything that creeps and has shadows, we would all be so ignorant on our own. Tell me though, do you even know how the Bitcoin client communicates with nodes? Can you give me a brief description of the protocol?

Can you let the adults work and cram the pseudo-intellectual self-important bullshit? Maybe start asking questions instead of making bogus claims all the time?

"I just wanted to ask, is this something you guys think we should worry about?" <--- Appropriate

"Be on the watch my minions! The time for reckoning is close at hand! Luke Jr (who has never actually made any commits to the Bitcoin protocol whatsoever) said something somewhere! Beware!" <--- Ignorant, like you.

Matthew, you're too good for this. I hate to see you waste your energy on something so minuscule. So what if I am reactionary? Don't you have a girl to fuck and a magazine to print?

This is a reaction to people wanting to find out who is producing the blocks without transactions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67634).

The node inherently knows where the blocks it receives come from. This patch is merely logging this info to debug.log. I made a similar one: http://pastebin.com/EgJAGnSj.

This in itself I find not worrying. Of course one could connect a node to as many other nodes as possible and find out where a block/tx is originating from (the node first broadcasting it). This is already done by many (for example blockchain.info, bitcoinwatch.com do this to determine source of blocks for statistics)

So yes, this might be a privacy-problem for some, albeit a small one (even if you're identified as the originator of some transaction, it's still unknown who the recipient is. Looking at a transaction, I cannot tell wether or not it goes to SR, for example). If you want to mask yourself as the originator of a block/tx you will have to resort to established IP-hiding measures (use proxy, i2p, tor). If I was, for example, the linode-thief, I would certainly do this.

EDIT: I dont assume luke-jr wants this pull-request pulled into bitcoin. He's just using github as a conventient place to publish his patch to interested parties.

Yeah, I now see Luke's intentions are fine. The solution is now to make a Bitcoin client with TOR built-in.

Hey, douchebag.



If you understand, why do you keep the title and OP the same, unless you're a self-important attention whore who wants desperately to make everyone as involved as possible in his every learning experience?

Learn to ask questions next time.

Also, FYI: I'm printing the magazine on the back of a girl I'm fucking while typing this. Like a boss.

TOR doesn't need to be built-in. use "torify" or whatever. Why would bitcoin tie itself to a single privacy solution that can easily be outsourced?

I agree with Atlas...

Luke WTF?

No need to overreact.  I think most of us know luke has some interesting political views... divine right of kings and such.

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/04/14

It's better for Bitcoin in the long run to get used to dealing with this sort of thing, even from within the dev group.

Seems that you are the troll here, not Luke. I did read the log and there is not a word about "divine right of kings".
The only political views luke expresses there are that you should obey the basic taxation laws of the country you live in, those laws are there for a reason.
So unless you give some other quotes, (perhaps this was the wrong link?), I call troll alert.

It's not the wrong link, it's just not a claim that needs to be substantiated.  Most of us have had enough discussions with luke to know his views already, eg.

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/23

The link in my previous post was just there to illustrate relevance to the topic at hand.

Since it seems people are getting the wrong impression from this pullreq...

It was proposed by a pool member who noticed the mystery jerk miner (making transactionless blocks) was relaying them through Eligius. This handy-but-simple change enabled me to get the real IP of the actual server making these blocks. The objections given herein by other developers are logical concerns, and I have no qualms with the pullreq being closed unmerged.

I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings. However, I consider this to be fairly off-topic in this forum, so don't intend to get into a discussion about it here.

P.S. The point of pull requests is for others to review them...

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...
Burn the bastard!

Lines like this are why I keep coming back to this forum day after day.  :D precious...

Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin.

Don't you love how ridiculously hypocritical these tards can be sometimes?

"We want anonymity! We want freedom! Hey btw, someone stole my coins. FIND HIM!"

Matthew freedom is scary.  The honest reality is most people don't want freedom.

They want "freedom" but some entity (usually the govt) to control "other people".

I want to be free but those gayz can't get married.  Stop them govt.
I want to be free but drunk drivers are dangerous so it is ok when the govt violates the Constitution to stop drunk drivers.
I want to be free but sex outside marriage is a sin so lets legislate morality (prostitution laws, etc)
I want to be free but drugs scare me so lets make them illegal.

The sum of all of the govt interference and control is merely the sum of the collective will of the people who want to be free ... BUT we need x.  Take 300 million people who all have an X they feel needs control and you get a govt which controls/fights/restricts/legislates 100,000 different Xs

Now along comes Bitcoin which is very difficult for the govt to be "the entity" so the same people who want "freedom" need someone to control it. 

Stolen coins = we need a blacklist.
Scammmers = we need to be able to reverse transactions.
Lost coins = we need to be able to replace them.
Miners not including freeloading tx (which protocol doesn't require) = we need a way to track him.

Different day same story.

If it were easy for the protocol to require this, it would be included already.  Recognizing when someone is gaming the system is not controversial.

I don't see it as gaming.

The compensation for including transactions isn't worth the cost.  Period.  Up till now people have "played nice" but any system will be pushed to its limits in the name of efficiency.

Its not gaming it is optimal decision making.

The problem isn't requiring a fee, it's this miner not including any transactions at all period.

Part of the compensation is the block reward.  And if transaction-less blocks become predominant, it may be reduced significantly.

The AGGREGATE FEES determines the compensation compensation relative to the potential cost.  AGGREGATE FEES are worthless.

I respond to this thread with a high class bear.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw12duEiMi1qz4akgo1_500.jpg

^^ The ignore button is highlighted there for a reason...

Harm bitcoin? Please tell me more about the harm he has done.

What would "this miner" need the IP for anyway?

Burn the bastard!!!

And here I thought this thread was going to be about that tonal-unit rubbish that is included in every single next-test. Thread does not deliver.

Ya know, like they used to do with the witches and with people in the know, back then, in the middle age ;)
That "mystery jerk miner" must be using witchcraft  :o Burn the bastard, I say!