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Title: TOR Network Risk
Post by: freedombit on July 23, 2014, 05:21:44 AM
Is TOR network truly private?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2456700/black-hat-presentation-on-tor-suddenly-cancelled.html

https://www.blackhat.com/latestintel/07212014-a-schedule-update.html

Can privacy really exist on the Internet? Anywhere? Doesn't every single electron pass through multiple servers, any one of which could be reading for bad intent?




Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: mcculum0010 on July 23, 2014, 08:44:48 AM
Tor network + anonymous prepaid internet connection that change ip every time as you want it would be harder to trace.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: serje on July 23, 2014, 08:48:51 AM
privacy and internet can't be used in the same sentence!

But with using tor or something similar you make the person that want's to track you work harder!


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: medUSA on July 23, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
Is TOR network truly private?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2456700/black-hat-presentation-on-tor-suddenly-cancelled.html
https://www.blackhat.com/latestintel/07212014-a-schedule-update.html
Can privacy really exist on the Internet? Anywhere? Doesn't every single electron pass through multiple servers, any one of which could be reading for bad intent?

Why is the presentation cancelled? What does "materials from researcher Alexander Volynkin were not approved for public release" mean? Either the "deanonymizing" method is flawed or it is so threatening that the TOR group needs more lead time to patch up TOR?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Justin00 on July 23, 2014, 10:37:29 AM
Hmm wonder why it was cancelled. I always thought TOR was pretty secure and private.

If you are a pedo or anything like that, you deserve to be traced, caught and jailed.

I think for 99% of people TOR is just a way to access the underground sites.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: pepericau on July 23, 2014, 11:54:27 AM
If someone really knows how to use TOR plus with some knowledge of internet security there is no problem TOR + a good VPN + a good firewall and you can navigate safely.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Baitty on July 23, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
Interesting read I was under the impression that tor isn't 100% secure but it makes it much harder for the website/person to know who it is.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: BowieMan on July 23, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
It sounds like you believe that the same electrons pass multiple servers over and over. But the reality is that they are being interpreted and other electrons or electromagnetiv waves (light) is being passed on. It's not some electronic plumbing system!
Do you understand asymmetric encryption? Before we start talking about the security of public/open networks...


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: NiceSoft12 on July 23, 2014, 01:42:26 PM
Do the sites or services that you want to visit know that you are using TOR when you visit them or does it show up as just another IP?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Lauda on July 23, 2014, 01:48:53 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Baitty on July 23, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: serje on July 23, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.

Just scroll down and you will see this

Code:
Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.


that kind of VPN


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Baitty on July 23, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.

Just scroll down and you will see this

Code:
Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.


that kind of VPN


And that's more secure that tor? What type of speed am I to expect?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Snorek on July 23, 2014, 02:13:37 PM
If you want to be anonymous against someone with high power you will fail anytime. And if you want just to feel better use TOR, VPN and other stuff like that.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: bitcoin4eva on July 23, 2014, 09:19:10 PM
Wow never thought that TOR wouldn't be safe.. Glad I have never ordered or done anything illegal there :D


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Lauda on July 23, 2014, 09:24:32 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.

Just scroll down and you will see this

Code:
Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
that kind of VPN
And that's more secure that tor? What type of speed am I to expect?
With a good VPN you should expect very good speeds. Normally a VPN isn't easier to trace.
Imagine if I'm your VPN host: 2 possibilities: 1) I don't give information to government/others; 2) I don't store your information at all.
How exactly is it easier to trace?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: serje on July 24, 2014, 01:49:14 PM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.

Just scroll down and you will see this

Code:
Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
that kind of VPN
And that's more secure that tor? What type of speed am I to expect?
With a good VPN you should expect very good speeds. Normally a VPN isn't easier to trace.
Imagine if I'm your VPN host: 2 possibilities: 1) I don't give information to government/others; 2) I don't store your information at all.
How exactly is it easier to trace?

and if you accept BTC as payment then I'm sure as hell you don't have any information! :D


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: freedombit on November 13, 2015, 05:28:43 AM
privacy and internet can't be used in the same sentence!

But with using tor or something similar you make the person that want's to track you work harder!

Yep. Truth is certainly easier to do d these days.


http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=675

Now how about those 300k Bitcoins?



Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Furio on November 13, 2015, 06:01:53 AM
Why use TOR, when the right VPN is enough?

What right VPN is that? normally VPM are easier to trace.

Just scroll down and you will see this

Code:
Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
that kind of VPN
And that's more secure that tor? What type of speed am I to expect?
With a good VPN you should expect very good speeds. Normally a VPN isn't easier to trace.
Imagine if I'm your VPN host: 2 possibilities: 1) I don't give information to government/others; 2) I don't store your information at all.
How exactly is it easier to trace?

and if you accept BTC as payment then I'm sure as hell you don't have any information! :D

Tell that to all guys in prison getting caught by their VPN provider not wanting to risk a fine.... The only real solution is Tails, Qubes or Whonix, and those are still not full proof sadly...


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Lauda on November 13, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
Tell that to all guys in prison getting caught by their VPN provider not wanting to risk a fine.... The only real solution is Tails, Qubes or Whonix, and those are still not full proof sadly...
The situation: I'm a average man. I don't do my proper research when picking out the VPN. I get in trouble because of downloading things via the VPN (it has stored information). Conclusion: VPNs have information and are unsafe. Do you see the flawed logic here? When picking the right VPN one should look for type of encryption (strength) and evaluate online the history/record of the VPN. A combination of the right encryption and not storing information should yield in it being secure.


What about the countless guys who have not?


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Furio on November 18, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
Tell that to all guys in prison getting caught by their VPN provider not wanting to risk a fine.... The only real solution is Tails, Qubes or Whonix, and those are still not full proof sadly...
The situation: I'm a average man. I don't do my proper research when picking out the VPN. I get in trouble because of downloading things via the VPN (it has stored information). Conclusion: VPNs have information and are unsafe. Do you see the flawed logic here? When picking the right VPN one should look for type of encryption (strength) and evaluate online the history/record of the VPN. A combination of the right encryption and not storing information should yield in it being secure.


What about the countless guys who have not?

All Im saying is that you CANT know if the vpn provider really doesnt store data, many claimed it before, yet got their customers caught, that's my point, you have to TRUST the provider, which allways has a weak link :)


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: Lauda on November 18, 2015, 10:02:57 AM
All Im saying is that you CANT know if the vpn provider really doesnt store data, many claimed it before, yet got their customers caught, that's my point, you have to TRUST the provider, which allways has a weak link :)
Obvious faulty generalization. There's a small risk with every provider, but that's it.


Title: Re: TOR Network Risk
Post by: mearylll on November 26, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Hi

I would say use a vpn as well for extra security

Thanks