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Title: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: zeeshan98210 on July 27, 2014, 05:23:15 PM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Cryptopher on July 27, 2014, 06:35:26 PM
Hmm, this topic confused me.

At first, when I read the title, I thought that this topic was something about who is paying more as a result of their political actions.

I then started reading the body and thought that it was about who is paying more for general employment.

You mention paid posters? Are you talking about signature deals? Propaganda? What does it have to do with Russia or the USA?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: validium on July 27, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
I think the user is asking who pays more to post on blogs or news sites in-order to sway public opinion, is it US or Russia?

Correct me if am wrong.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Daniel91 on July 27, 2014, 06:55:54 PM
I think that user zeeshan98210 should post here again and in more details explain his question.
Otherwise, this will remain very confusing question and all other users will just speculate what is the question instead of answering it :)


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hologram on July 27, 2014, 06:58:56 PM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

Who seem work very hard here and post dozen of thread ?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Cryptopher on July 27, 2014, 06:59:38 PM
I think the user is asking who pays more to post on blogs or news sites in-order to sway public opinion, is it US or Russia?

Correct me if am wrong.

That sounds like the most rational explanation, though I'm not sure that anybody could give a definitive answer on that.

Though when the OP asks about requirements I'm a little confused. It's almost as if he wants in, though one does not simply sign up here...


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Justine on July 27, 2014, 07:01:37 PM
Don't think either side has any interest in shaping bitcoin users opinion.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hologram on July 27, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
Also it seem that some people here never work...


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 27, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

LOL. Wikipedia just ban US Congress IP for 10 days.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2461421,00.asp


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hologram on July 27, 2014, 10:43:17 PM
That's just a stupid guy, if there is some real conspiracy by any side they would use TOR or proxy so we don't know where the edit come from...   ::)


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 27, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
use TOR
LOL
Every PC have specific configuration, Volume ID, ecc.
IP is nothing against prepared admin.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 27, 2014, 11:09:51 PM
Ask about price here: http://wiki-pr.com/

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Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: bitsmichel on July 27, 2014, 11:24:06 PM
use TOR
LOL
Every PC have specific configuration, Volume ID, ecc.
IP is nothing against prepared admin.

Some people use a new device, a new IP everytime they use the internet - from a location that is not their home. They simply cannot be tracked  :)


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 27, 2014, 11:26:17 PM
You need not to change Your PC. Use VolID  ;D
Mobile Internet give perfect random IP  ;D

But there are still monitor resolution and languages of system and other stuff...


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Wilikon on July 27, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

Who seem work very hard here and post dozen of thread ?

I vote for myself... ;) :D ;)



Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: zeeshan98210 on July 27, 2014, 11:33:39 PM
I mean Government paid trolls or posters. I know there are some government paid posters here. I want to apply who can guide me. :)

I know there are already many countries having this program. To defend their country from other internet trolls.

http://www.infowars.com/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Cryptopher on July 27, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Interesting. I've seen at least one person recently who fits the bill for this. I'm not surprised to see that this is going on.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: beetcoin on July 27, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
i don't really know if americans pay people to spread the propaganda online.. they have the news networks for that.

one unique about america and how it digests information: it operates under a "democratic" guise where people think they have all the freedom in the world, when in reality they don't have shit. russia is more brute with controlling its mass, seems like america does it in a more roundabout way.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: jaberwock on July 28, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
i don't really know if americans pay people to spread the propaganda online.. they have the news networks for that.

one unique about america and how it digests information: it operates under a "democratic" guise where people think they have all the freedom in the world, when in reality they don't have shit. russia is more brute with controlling its mass, seems like america does it in a more roundabout way.

The real war is on the comments section. Most people already know that those news network is controlled by the government. They tend to believe more in the popular comments.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Quickseller on July 28, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
I highly doubt that anyone is paying anyone to post about the Ukraine situation on a forum for users of Bitcoin.

Probably the least effective way to get the public on their side.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: zeeshan98210 on July 28, 2014, 12:14:32 AM
I highly doubt that anyone is paying anyone to post about the Ukraine situation on a forum for users of Bitcoin.

Probably the least effective way to get the public on their side.

I saw some, but mostly they are on yahoo news, facebook, youtube, twitter and popular blogs and news sites. They have multiple accounts on each sites.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: bitsmichel on July 28, 2014, 12:18:55 AM
I highly doubt that anyone is paying anyone to post about the Ukraine situation on a forum for users of Bitcoin.

Probably the least effective way to get the public on their side.

I saw some, but mostly they are on yahoo news, facebook, youtube, twitter and popular blogs and news sites. They multiple accounts on each sites.

The reach of users on the bitcointalk forum is too small for mass brainwashing. I think, mostly it's being posted on news channels and sites like facebook or vkontakte.
There are millions of users there, and you could reach all of them in the same day - almost instantly.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: zeeshan98210 on July 28, 2014, 12:22:10 AM
I highly doubt that anyone is paying anyone to post about the Ukraine situation on a forum for users of Bitcoin.

Probably the least effective way to get the public on their side.

I saw some, but mostly they are on yahoo news, facebook, youtube, twitter and popular blogs and news sites. They multiple accounts on each sites.

The reach of users on the bitcointalk forum is too small for mass brainwashing. I think, mostly it's being posted on news channels and sites like facebook or vkontakte.
There are millions of users there, and you could reach all of them in the same day - almost instantly.

Bitcointalk has also millions of visitors per month. And what is posted here will show on google results.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 12:22:56 AM
I highly doubt that anyone is paying anyone to post ...

That is only about no knowledge of paid "free lance writing" in Internet.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: gambian- on July 28, 2014, 12:29:09 AM
You should be a little more elaborate OP, very unclear on what you mean


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

Honestly that would be a good question probably the USA since they have a larger agenda on various issues
The Russias would pay for the propoganda they need though so they might out bid.

That said Blackwater and the shadow agencies go to the highest bidder so they probably both pay out enough at different times.

Anyways bit of a weird topic; but it was a tad amusing.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 12:33:19 AM
http://www.fiverr.com/search/gigs?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_in=everywhere&query=forum+comments&page=1&layout=auto
http://www.fiverr.com/search/gigs?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_in=everywhere&query=forum+posting&page=1&layout=auto
http://www.fiverr.com/search/gigs?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_in=everywhere&query=youtube+comments&page=1&layout=auto



Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: zeeshan98210 on July 28, 2014, 12:37:14 AM
You should be a little more elaborate OP, very unclear on what you mean

I already posted on this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712743.msg8057468#msg8057468.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Yakamoto on July 28, 2014, 02:01:15 AM
You should be a little more elaborate OP, very unclear on what you mean

I already posted on this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712743.msg8057468#msg8057468.
Wait, what? Russia pays people to post negative opinions? Or is this all tied back to Ukraine...

Are we seriously going to discuss this? Fine by me!

I'd say the US pays more people (And in larger amounts) as opposed to Russia.

The US loves doing stuff like that, and Russia would have a harder time attacking the forum since they have to get english-speaking members if their populace to do this.

However, the Russian sub-forum may be riddled with paid posts (If they have a Russian SF)


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 02:20:10 AM

However, the Russian sub-forum may be riddled with paid posts (If they have a Russian SF)

I suspect, that this guy is just killed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81677;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: dwi0021 on July 28, 2014, 02:44:09 AM

However, the Russian sub-forum may be riddled with paid posts (If they have a Russian SF)

I suspect, that this guy is just killed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81677;sa=showPosts

How do you know? He is your comrade?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: gmx95 on July 28, 2014, 02:55:56 AM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Panthers52 on July 28, 2014, 03:29:43 AM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 03:37:08 AM
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277

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Directs the Secretary of State to increase efforts to strengthen democratic institutions and political and civil society organizations in the Russian Federation.

For "democratization of Ukraine" they give 5 billion of $.
http://youtu.be/dpweM36L7Tw?t=2m30s


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2014, 04:19:41 AM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.

True but the Americans have had that since they took it from the Germans in WWII so it's not really a difference in terms of propaganda and media controls.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hodap on July 28, 2014, 04:50:58 AM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

Who are those paid posters?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: dwi0021 on July 28, 2014, 04:54:25 AM
I heard China is paying 50 cent per post. They even call their group the 50 cents brigade.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: beetcoin on July 28, 2014, 06:41:35 AM
kinda funny.. someone just posted a pro-russian book, and i read 2 of the sample chapters.. it felt like a propaganda book.

look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=713736.0

then again, i don't know WTF to believe anymore.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hologram on July 28, 2014, 07:57:45 AM
then again, i don't know WTF to believe anymore.

I believe the place where there is the more freedom. But here i see many American thinking they live in "tyranny"... they should come here in France and try our government to understand USA still a good place to be. USA have many problem but still better.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Balthazar on July 28, 2014, 08:23:04 AM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  ::) The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some really state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled by commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap. Even the "1st Channel" is filled by the stupid commercials about everything. That's the reason why I don't have TV anymore.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: dwi0021 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  ::) The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled with commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap.

Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin, private media still have no power to oppose a powerful leader like Putin.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Balthazar on July 28, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin
No problem:

http://www.echo.msk.ru/

They're opposing Putin constantly online and at 91.2 FM.

private media still have no power to oppose a powerful leader like Putin.
I've always had a respect for the people with well-developed imagination. But money could help you to oppose anybody, even if it's a god himself.  :)


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 10:54:56 AM

However, the Russian sub-forum may be riddled with paid posts (If they have a Russian SF)

I suspect, that this guy is just killed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81677;sa=showPosts

How do you know? He is your comrade?

He stop to copy-paste Kiev shit and disappear.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Balthazar on July 28, 2014, 11:06:40 AM
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 11:17:52 AM
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.

I see no fresh shit from the same source.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin
No problem:

http://www.echo.msk.ru/

They're available online or at 91.2 FM.
Is that "anti-Putin" or "anti-Russian"?
http://www.snob.ru/selected/entry/78868

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Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Balthazar on July 28, 2014, 11:24:35 AM
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.

I see no fresh shit from the same source.
I've seen some in Russian section, but I can't find it now. It seems that these messages were deleted.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: 247crypto on July 28, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
I've seen some in Russian section, but I can't find it now. It seems that these messages were deleted.
Oh... parents will pay not more for Internet then... life in Lithuania is hard.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Wilikon on July 28, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

This could be a start for your quest. From 2011.


http://www.technologyreview.com/view/426174/undercover-researchers-expose-chinese-internet-water-army/



Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: beetcoin on July 28, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  ::) The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some really state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled by commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap. Even the "1st Channel" is filled by the stupid commercials about everything. That's the reason why I don't have TV anymore.

but the problem is that russia is an oligarchy, and rich people are bound to have ties to the state. it's similar to here in the U.S.

who doesn't think roger ailes, rupert murdoch, shelden adelson, george soros, et. al don't have direct connections with our politicians?

i do think american politics runs under more of a guise of "free speech and democracy," while still being state-influenced.. at least compared to other countries.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Balthazar on July 28, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
In fact, this so-called "liberal democracy" model usually has nothing to do with democracy.

In the democracy we have the people's will as a source of the political power. But here (i.e. in the liberal-democratic model) money replaces the people's will after a critical point of development, becoming a source of real political power. Liberal society could employ a democratic regime at some stage, but such condition is unsustainable. Plutocratic regime is a common result of the wealth distribution in the liberal society. If you have a good propaganda machine then plutocracy is a far more sustainable condition of the liberal society, because a large part of electorate is unable to understand the real order of things, and unwittingly supports the plutocratic regime.


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: hologram on July 28, 2014, 07:33:40 PM
You are a socialist right ?


Title: Re: Whos paying more Russians or USA ?
Post by: Hayley on October 08, 2014, 08:02:53 PM
In fact, this so-called "liberal democracy" model usually has nothing to do with democracy.

In the democracy we have the people's will as a source of the political power. But here (i.e. in the liberal-democratic model) money replaces the people's will after a critical point of development, becoming a source of real political power. Liberal society could employ a democratic regime at some stage, but such condition is unsustainable. Plutocratic regime is a common result of the wealth distribution in the liberal society. If you have a good propaganda machine then plutocracy is a far more sustainable condition of the liberal society, because a large part of electorate is unable to understand the real order of things, and unwittingly supports the plutocratic regime.

Russia limits free speech with ambiguous language and unchecked decentralization of power. Ambiguous legislation such as the Law on Extremism allows local authorities to extend powers based upon personal or local whims, largely with the intention and consequences of marginalizing minority groups.

www.choose.tv/tv-online-from-russia (http://www.choose.tv/tv-online-from-russia)