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"Pakistan mob kills woman, girls, over 'blasphemous' Facebook post"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/28/us-pakistan-islam-murder-idUSKBN0FX0GF20140728

"(Reuters) - A Pakistani mob killed a woman member of a religious sect and two of her granddaughters after a sect member was accused of posting blasphemous material on Facebook, police said Monday, the latest instance of growing violence against minorities.

The dead, including a seven-year-old girl and her baby sister, were Ahmadis, who consider themselves Muslim but believe in a prophet after Mohammed. A 1984 Pakistani law declared them non-Muslims and many Pakistanis consider them heretics.

Police said the late Sunday violence in the town of Gujranwala, 220 km (140 miles) southeast of the capital, Islamabad, started with an altercation between young men, one of whom was an Ahmadi accused of posting "objectionable material".

"Later, a crowd of 150 people came to the police station demanding the registration of a blasphemy case against the accused," said one police officer who declined to be identified.

"As police were negotiating with the crowd, another mob attacked and started burning the houses of Ahmadis."

The youth accused of making the Facebook post had not been injured, he said.

Resident Munawar Ahmed, 60, said he drove terrified neighbors to safety as the mob attacked.

"The attackers were looting and plundering, taking away fans and whatever valuables they could get hold of and dragging furniture into the road and setting fire to it... Some were continuously firing into the air," he said. "A lot of policemen arrived but they stayed on the sidelines and didn't intervene," he said.

The police officer said they had tried to stop the mob.

Salim ud Din, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community, said it was the worst attack on the community since simultaneous attacks on Ahmadi places of worship killed 86 Ahmadis four years ago.

Under Pakistani law, Ahmadis are banned from using Muslim greetings, saying Muslim prayers or referring to his place of worship as a mosque.

Accusations of blasphemy are rocketing in Pakistan, from one in 2011 to at least 68 last year, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. About 100 people have been accused of blasphemy this year.

Human rights workers say the accusations are increasingly used to settle personal vendettas or to grab the property of the accused.

(Additional reporting, writing by Katharine Houreld; Editing by Robert Birsel)"

"The police officer said they had tried to stop the mob."

Any of you believe that?

Islam is a hypocrite religion.

Religions are hypocritical.

“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” - Mark Twain

Yes, the police tried to stop the mob.  They were also on the phone trying to call in Osama bin Laden's location  :D

Religious Islamic state, religious police, religious government.

1 Billion muslims in the world.

Only 20% are fanatics.


Here's some nice tasters for all you shitheads out there,

LOOK AT ALL THESE RELIGIONS!

http://www.godhatesfags.com/ (http://www.godhatesfags.com/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism)

Dont try to make one religion look bad when all of the others are just as shit too.

Shitheads...nice, you kiss you mom with that mouth?

Hey look, only 20% of all people in prison are murders - don't try to make all prisoners look bad  :D  Enjoy the strawman.

Looks like someone doesnt get the point. ::)

Does your mom call you special before you go for bedtime?

20% are fanatics! That means over 200 million muslims wants dead to the west, yeah great religion man

Over a hideous killing your concern is to defend the religion... that alone says much about Islam, doesn't it?

Im an athiest. Just saying, dont mock a religion because of a few crackhead radicals, all religions are just the same piles of shit anyways.

Yes, all of them are. But let's face it, Islam is currently the most barbaric.

You tried to answer a strawman generalization that you felt the people in this forum were making by making sweeping generalization about other religions.  Was there a point in there somewhere?

What you meant to say is that the majority of true Muslims would not condone such horrible behavior by what outsiders may see as their brethren.  I would agree with that.  Just like Catholics probably don't condone their priests to be molesting boys by the dozen.

I personally don't ascribe to any particular faith and I have friends from many faiths as I live in Los Angeles and we have all types of people here.  I don't judge my friends on their faith, but I can judge the actions of state/police sponsored or condoned killing of a minority group.

By the way you won't find too many Hindus, Buddhists and Taoists killing others in the name of their faith.

Or XXI Century Christians, even if we need to keep them at quarantine, because a couple of centuries ago they match Islam 1-on-1.
But it will be a strawman generalization about Islam in the day Muslims themselves come out speaking against their own religion violence, and we never saw anything of such, did we? We saw some demonstrations, but their demonstrations are more violent than violence - and usually goes around "look at the violent Israelis", "look at the violent US", never about their own violence!
So we have 20% "fanatics" and the other 80% is either def and mute or silently supporting those 20%.

You promote learning and education for both males and females and you catch a bullet to the head in Pakistan.  Unfortunately it's kind of a vicious circle, the people elect bad government, said government enforces bad policies, bad policies lead to bad people.

How many of us Americans are on here saying don't judge us Americans because our retarded government no longer represents us?  But for the most part in this country you can still demonstrate (after you get denied the permit 40x by city hall) without getting your head blown off - same sadly cannot be said for Pakistan.

One of the main reasons why I hate religion in general, you'd think as 'peaceful' religions, they'd be rushing out to condemn them and say they're a bunch of assholes, but no, the majority of the pricks just attack other religions and ignore what their own do.

Probably closer to 1.5Bn right now
The problem is clearly more an organised religion rather than just an Islam problem

Another ignorant post that confuses, religion, country customs and different currents maybe you should learn about the conflict between Shiites and Sunnites before posting a sensationalist title like this one....
Also murderers don't need religion to kill they just uses it as an excuse, and the prove is that murders happen with or without religion.

Did you even read the article? Ahmadis.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya)

Shiites?  Sunnites?  where?  Oh you mean ALL sectarian violence  ::)

No murderers don't need religion to kill.  These were religious people who used murder as an excuse for solving their conflicts.  You have it backwards.

And AGAIN... instead of CONDEMN the violence, here comes one trying to make an excuse for it.

About Sunnis/Shiites/Ahmaddya it doesn't mater who is or isn't right. Ahmaddya is the only non-violent sect and it's hated by the other two... wonder why it's mostly the only thing the other two "Allah uh-Akhbar zombies" fully agree with! Maybe being non-violent is a bad thing at Islam...

Are sure that you don't mean "All religions are hypocrite religions."?

As the CBers used to say, "That's a big 10-4, Good Buddy!"

Very much like the Christian Taliban trying to control the USA.

Oh, my!

Take it easy!

ALL religions are based on "faith"; that is, a belief system on things which cannot be proven in any rational manner.

It should also be remembered that The Prophet took his wife when she was NINE YEARS OLD and we are told by certain apologists that her "private parts" grew to adult size, such that sexual intercourse with her by the Prophet was not painful.

Now, you wanna talk about some more goofy shit?

Theocracy in any form is not a good thing.

Well, now, Xtianity has probably killed as many as Islam, if not more and in fact is primarily resonsible for the situtation in the Middle east today.  A thing called "The Crusades".

Well yeah but why should we not mock such idiocy?

Don't know much about history, do you?

He's probably a Christian :P

Unless you live in Kansas, as do I, in which case we have a fundalmentalist Xtian governor who wants to be President.

Yeah but as he wrote, "ALL religions are hypocritical!"

oops nevermind, assumed you were talking about someone else who was just attacking Islam.

Where do you see not condemning violence ? did you miss the part where I name this people as MURDERERS,  I think the one that is being a zombie here is you, you are auto hating anything related Muslims and Islam in all your posts and generalizing and I can quote your several times, the difference between me and you is that I reckon that in everything there are bad and good people, bad, people should be punished but not because there are bad people in group/community/religion/nation, doesn't mean I have the right to condemn everyone ! but a fair judgement is not one of your vertu it seems

No you didn't. You said there are murders everywhere and your overall text reads like a "hey! There are others doing it". Then with some crap about that endless bs of false prophets that's behind that shia sunni endless violence.

And lostDutchman, that Kansas guy won't kill you. That's where the difference lies. I don't care too if muslims pray to allah, god or whatever. As long as they don't kill people over it.

Doesn't surprise me a bit. Pakistan is more than 97% Muslim. There are not enough non-Muslims to attack, so they are attacking the Muslim sects themselves. BTW.. I thought that this month was supposed to be a holy month for the Muslims.

Muslim only good at attacking little girl and woman.

To fight against real enemy, they use cowardly tactics and mostly only kill civilian.

Thankfully I'm atheist so I don't need to worry about what god exists and what one doesn't, who's right and who's wrong. This religion lark sounds more trouble than it's worth. I won't be signing up to that anytime soon.
I can just get on with my life and enjoy it to the full.

Yup because the words Murderers refers to who in your opinion? you are being dodgy again, and also you are again trying to deform what I said which a mark of someone that is intellectually malsaint.


So No "I'm not saying other are doing it" as in insinuating passively that's ok if others are doing it, I'm saying murderers such as the one mentioned do not need religion to kill, they are just using as an excuse to do, as murders happens everyone with or without religion, I was clear on this matter.

i tend to blame religion..
either yours or theirs..
you chose, either way, we all lose.. 
the uneducated require it. 
unfortunately it has an affect on all of us and also "some" of us.
pick a side.
argue about the vs us or hate everyone.

your .02 btc

Damn. If I only knew that a few equals 200 million I wouldn't tell my friend I only got a few bucks in my wallet...
No wonder he asks me for money all the time.

Some more spreading of the love:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/18/100-percent-of-rapes-in-norway-committed-by-muslim-immigrants/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b4_1370337629

The good news is that support is lower in countries where the majority of Muslims live, such as Indonesia, India, Pakistan.etc. But Saudi / Qatari petro Dollar can change the views there.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/2010-muslim-01-17.png

That's suicide bombs, how about "is it right to kill someone who leave Islam?" -> 64% support this non-sense.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/pew-64-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/

What gets me is that when you criticize a religion for something (and I mean a specific religion such as Islam, not religion in general) people get all up in arms like you've done something aweful and you are a dispicable  human being - as if religion should be beyond criticism or as if you are somehow being racist and just insulting a group of people rather than critiquing an idea.

But if an idea or practice is harmful or ignorant the fact that its part of a religion shouldn't mean we leave it alone - it should mean we are even quicker to face it because the relgious fervour will only make it even more dangerous.

Also I really don't buy this 'its only a tiny minority' line because even though it may be a minority who explicitly agree with the fundamentalists, the majority are creating a climate in which that minority can thrive, recruit and be protected - so they cannot be absolved of all blame. The majority are practicing and promoting something which inspires cruelty and violence in others, even if their own innate human compassion keeps them from taking that path themselves.

Islam, like Judaism, teaches its followers that they are more important than others and explicitly tells them to, at the very least, treat non-muslims unequally (actually in many places of the Koran its more about murdering us, but still) but yet I am expected to treat someone as an equal who does not consider me to be an equal? I'm sorry, but no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

Theo van Gogh was a victim of the Dutch extreme-left, which bought people with extremist views (especially from countries such as Pakistan, Somalia and Morocco) to the Netherlands. Even people who were convicted of inciting hatred were given refugee status.

Only 20% take their religion seriously.  We make this same excuse for feminists; a minority are "radicals", the rest are "normal", but when you consider the principles of each, of just how insane it is to believe in an imaginary deity and devil, it's easy to see that fanaticism is a prerequisite to being a part of said groups; those who lack this fanaticism either avoid the religion, or if they were raised with it, leave it when safe.  We shouldn't condemn those who actually try to adhere to the religion in question, as this minimizes the role that the other "normal" followers play in supporting those who take it seriously; we should view the group as a cohesive whole, an ecosystem of fanatics who help the minority of people doing as the group wills, and condemn them all for their role in wrongdoings, both religions and governments (alas, I repeat myself.)

...muslims

20% are fanatic enough to think human bombs are justified, but 63% are fanatic enough to think anyone leaving Islam should be killed.
So I've to say 63% of them, and not 20%, take their religion seriously.

Yep, killing people for having a mind of their own seems pretty extreme to me.

Notice how we haven't seen a single post from any people of Muslim faith coming in here and condemning this behavior.  A few posters are criticizing others for judging everybody based on the actions of a rowdy crowd, but nobody has condemned the act.  Does it say somewhere in the book that you cannot speak ill of others of the faith?

Imagine my shock when I was reading the National Geographic which said men in that area of the world, who only make a $1000 dollars are year, are borrowing $10K to $50K for their weddings!

It was one of the most perplexed things when Muslims are typically portrayed as alpha woman haters but, in reality...  it's more that they're just as much victims of their society as the women can be.  

Under Islam everybody is a victim...
But that one must about Hindus in India, those are the ones making the most expensive weddings... usually with a debt for life price tag attached.

I would recommend you all to watch this movie (if you haven't)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg

And note how differently the muslims there react as opposed to the Jews and Christians (who just outright made themselves silly).

It's like... Just watch it.

1 hour 40 min?! Takes to not have a life to watch it! And it's that runtime in 'America mode', which stands for think about people with Alzheimer and repeat the same thing every couple of minutes.
How about the same program at mecca? Oh!... he can't get there :p

Really?  You believe that?

Maher cowtows to Muslims because otherwise they'll threaten to kill him or bomb him and places that carry his work.  He knows it's safe to insult Christians and Jews.  You're looking not at natural responses, but an orchestrated performance.

Maher's a punk and a coward.

An hour and fourty minutes of Maher, the idea just makes me want to puke.

That was shocking, how could they pay that amount. If I was a muslim I will convert to Christian or Atheist you can have limitless sex partner or having different child with different mother without the need to marry one.

You got me wrong.

What you said is exactly what I tried to convey. You could see how the muslims there had killing in their eyes and how they were scared talking ill about their religion. How they mumbled when faced direct question calling out their bullshit.

Otherwise, Maher isn't a coward or a punk, he did help, at least for me, to see what a dark religious islam really is.

He isn't the only one btw, lots of videos where you see muslims getting interviewed you can see how they go numb when facing questions that might show in dark light islam.

A lot of muslims enable and support the sick behaviour of the more extreme ones.

Strange statement. Other than muslims nobody has that belief that atheists have abandoned child. In fact atheist societies tend to be rational, which means such behaviour may cost you a lot, way more than being married.

http://madworldnews.com/muslims-just-made-history-mosul-killing-exiling-every-last-christian/

http://madworldnews.com/250-christian-girls-gang-raped-executed-name-allah/

I think the title says it all.

It's worth mentioning that this sort of thing is not condoned by the Koran, which notes that "people of the book", Christians and Jews, should be allowed to live peaceably as long as the pay loot to the rulers.

But once you have some people, eg women, considered more as property than human, then all kinds of stuff go.

Now where are those Predator drones when you need them?

But what about people who read more than one book?

Okay, I got it, and will give him credit for that, then.

Well, basically Islam is a belief set that dates from back when life and survival and prosperity was a zero sum game...you and your fiefdom take over the next fiefdom.  To do that you have to be crazier than them, more willing to die in battle.  That's how we define a successful culture historically, there ain't nothing nice about it.