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Title: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: Incognitocoin on July 30, 2014, 12:30:58 AM
If you have voted yes, please post what you feel is an optimal POS %

Thank you.

Original thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=714716.0

EDIT

Update:


We have decided on implementing a change to the POS %.

Through a community poll and chatting with various community members we have come to the decision to change it to 5% annually.

We are now discussing this with the Dev team & we will inform you what the ETA will be. The Dev team has already mentioned that it can be changed quite quickly, so stay tuned.

Thank you.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS % POLL
Post by: KeyserSozeMC on July 30, 2014, 12:33:42 AM
If you have voted yes, please post what you feel is an optimal POS %

Thank you.
Put more information in the poll OP itself. If someone comes randomly he wont know what's going on ( That's me actually )


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: nicemycoin on July 30, 2014, 12:53:27 AM
Quote
Should the POS 200 % be lower? If so, what is an optimal %
100% will be ok.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: Riley5751 on July 30, 2014, 01:17:46 AM
Good evening all

I think the POS is to high at 200%, but we need to find a balance that rewards keeping your coins off the exchanges and in your wallet (I believe we have all been there when a pump is occurring and you need to free up some funds, the more coins away from the exchange will eliminate those trigger fingers). I would venture into saying 20-25% per year would be a enticing amount to facilitate such, we have seen coins with 5-10% POS still being dumped as soon as.

Again all I have watched the progress through from the start of the coin and firmly believe there are some good people in Crypto and we have some of the best working on this coin. All the best for the future and continued success.

Wayne


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: nicemycoin on July 30, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Riley5751 ,whichone is your real ID.  ;D


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: Riley5751 on July 30, 2014, 01:33:16 AM
Riley5751 ,whichone is your real ID.  ;D

Just this one i'm afraid, I read loads on here but never write. I am relatively new to trading coins overall about 6 months.
So new in fact I do not know how to vote.

Cheers
Wayne


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: cwnt on July 30, 2014, 02:10:50 AM
Riley5751 ,whichone is your real ID.  ;D

Just this one i'm afraid, I read loads on here but never write. I am relatively new to trading coins overall about 6 months.
So new in fact I do not know how to vote.

Cheers
Wayne
I am right there with you. I believe it is a limitation placced on new accounts or those with currently limited activity. However I have not properly read into it yet, so someone correct me if I am wrong here please.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: sixteendigits on July 30, 2014, 03:28:57 AM
Depends on what the goal of this project is.  Many coins have very high PoS rewards yet thrive, TEK and HBN for example.  But no one is pretending these coins are a good store of value.  They are trader coins.  Is the compound interest of holding my TEK for a few months going to outweigh the effects of inflation?  I don't know.  It's a bet traders have to make.

If a coin aims to be a real currency and store of value, a lower PoS reward is preferable.  If the community is in it for the long haul, I prefer the structure of steadily falling PoS rewards.  Say 200% for the first year, 100% for the second year, 50% for the third year, 25% for the forth, settle around 5% for every year after that.  It rewards early adopters yet ensures a steady stream of new coins into the market to increase liquidity and grow the community.

It all depends whether the goal is to be an actual currency or a coin for traders.  Of course even BTC attempts to be a coin which is an actual currency, yet ends up being used for trading and speculation.  So you are kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Personally, I am holding some ICG because I am a sucker for high PoS coins and the coin has a lot of room for growth.  Generally I only hold alts in a local wallet if it offers 20%+ PoS interest.  If it's lower than that, I'll store them at an exchange.  Too many alts out there to bother keeping a hundred different local wallets.  Right now, the high PoS is probably good for the coin, but if development continues and the coin adds value in other ways, it won't need such a high PoS % to encourage people to hold.  I am enjoying the steady stream of ICG being added to my stack daily but understand if the decision is made to reduce the PoS reward.

So I didn't vote, because I am neutral on the question. 


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: CrowdWhale on July 30, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
Either make it 10% or have it only stake when the wallet is open and make it 20%.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: Incognitocoin on July 30, 2014, 10:06:34 AM
All very good answers, keep them coming.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: flowerpots on July 30, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
Either make it 10% or have it only stake when the wallet is open and make it 20%.

+1


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: cryptoholic11 on August 02, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
3-10% Anything above that is way too much inflation imo. Also, the higher the rate the less the trading. Trading is essential for the coins price, volume, and longevity.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: atanas2d on August 02, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
3-10% Anything above that is way too much inflation imo. Also, the higher the rate the less the trading. Trading is essential for the coins price, volume, and longevity.

+1. 10%


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: bitcoinwonders010 on August 02, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
5% pos


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: CrowdWhale on August 02, 2014, 07:33:48 PM
Usually about half the coins (sometimes less, rarely more) will be staked. So 10% interested really works out to 5% inflation.  Personally, I've wanted to try a coin with 0% interest and decent transaction fee to reward the people who are actually supporting the network, to control inflation, and to increase liquidity by not rewarding saving. Is this coin going to be a "store of wealth" or a "currency"?


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: superplus on August 02, 2014, 09:32:46 PM
200% is insane and totally insecure considering this coin would survive more than a year..
<10% at least


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: bitcoinwonders010 on August 03, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
when will a final decision be made 10% pos i what im ok with


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: tfbpa on August 04, 2014, 07:47:39 AM
Even though the advertised Pos of 200% is in reality only 15% per year as the staking in the wallet doesn't function correctly, as I have stated multiple times, I indeed agree that 200% advertised or real, is not the way to go and should be lower. If people see 200% they just don't do anything with it, which is not good for a coin I believe.

I would also make it <10%.

But please try to code the wallet and staking in such a way that in reality it will be <10%. At the moment whenever you get interest from staking those coins appear to not be stakeable for 24 hours, hence it is 15% now instead instead of the advertised 200%.

So if you can do the above, then in reality there will not be so much difference between 200% and 10%, except that people are more inclined to trade and/or use it.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: andreasy on August 04, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
5%


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: armaan56 on August 05, 2014, 03:17:34 AM
15% if a lot better. Way too high right now


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: fastminer on August 05, 2014, 10:07:44 AM
how long until pos change happens and is it going to be between 5-15%


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: zarton on August 05, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
200% is too much, it will generate a lot of inflation, and the price will go down because the large number of coins generated every day. For sure a 5-15% it's better.


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: bitcoinwonders010 on August 05, 2014, 10:36:47 AM
200% is too much, it will generate a lot of inflation, and the price will go down because the large number of coins generated every day. For sure a 5-15% it's better.

the amount the devs are considering is between 5-10%. you should hear from them soon to implement this. have a chat with them on IRC #icg
to verify


Title: Re: IncognitoCoin - POS 200%, Should we change the POS %? If so, whats an optimal %?
Post by: neutraLTC on August 06, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
Update:

We have decided on implementing a change to the POS %.

Through a community poll and chatting with various community members we have come to the decision to change it to 5% annually.

We are now discussing this with the Dev team & we will inform you what the ETA will be. The Dev team has already mentioned that it can be changed quite quickly, so stay tuned.

Thank you.