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Title: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 30, 2014, 04:30:02 AM



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9dc_1406675919

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No wonder they have so many Nobel prize winners...  ;)



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: vokain on July 30, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/25/israels-iron-dome-is-more-like-an-iron-sieve/

"Ted Postol, a physicist at the university and an expert in missiles and missile defenses, has found evidence that only about 5 percent of Iron Dome engagements result in the targeted rocket being destroyed or even sufficiently damaged to disable its explosive warhead. In the other 95 percent of cases, the interceptor either misses entirely or just lightly damages the enemy munition, allowing the rocket’s intact warhead to continue arcing toward the ground."


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 30, 2014, 10:50:10 AM
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/25/israels-iron-dome-is-more-like-an-iron-sieve/

"Ted Postol, a physicist at the university and an expert in missiles and missile defenses, has found evidence that only about 5 percent of Iron Dome engagements result in the targeted rocket being destroyed or even sufficiently damaged to disable its explosive warhead. In the other 95 percent of cases, the interceptor either misses entirely or just lightly damages the enemy munition, allowing the rocket’s intact warhead to continue arcing toward the ground."
That shows how much of an none expert he is.

Iron Dome only fires at rockets that are going to land in populated areas, if it is projected to land in an open field it won't intercept it.

http://theconversation.com/explainer-israels-iron-dome-anti-missile-system-29746
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.604039
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/11/how-israels-iron-dome-defence-system-has-an-almost-90-success-rate-amid-deluge-of-hamas-rockets/

Not to mention the endless witnesses who saw with their own eyes the interceptions (me included) and of course the small fact that the amount of structural and physical damage caused thus far to Israeli population is really minimal.

Either Iron Dome works or Hammas has been throwing water bombs all this time.

But hey, why post something sensible when you can post some random bullshit to serve your propaganda.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: solid12345 on July 30, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: newflesh on July 30, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.

If Israel ended their illegal seige on Gaza, there wouldn't be as much need to have so many tunnels to import supplies/food etc.

Not saying that would stop all weapons being smuggled but it would surely help.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 30, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.

If Israel ended their illegal seige on Gaza, there wouldn't be as much need to have so many tunnels to import supplies/food etc.

Not saying that would stop all weapons being smuggled but it would surely help.
Lol.

Shows how much you actually don't know.
Did you start reading about the conflict a year ago?

The blockade didn't always exist, there was a reason it started in 2007 - 2 years after IDF left the gaza strip and gave them autonomy.
There's also a good damn reason why the Egyptians also got their border closed.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: dKingston on July 30, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
Iron dome will only work for primitive hamas. Their rocket will only fly straight lines that is why it is easy to shot down.

I think Iron dome is easy to defeat.

Make those rockets move faster and move randomly.
Add guidance to those rockets and fly very low to the ground and make it follow the terrain
Make the rocket separate in to five or ten small warhead once it detects that interceptor is coming.
Simply launced ten of thousands in very short time.
Launch thousands of small dummy rockets


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 30, 2014, 12:01:50 PM
Iron dome will only work for primitive hamas. Their rocket will only fly straight lines that is why it is easy to shot down.

I think Iron dome is easy to defeat.

Make those rockets move faster and move randomly.
Add guidance to those rockets and fly very low to the ground and make it follow the terrain
Make the rocket separate in to five or ten small warhead once it detects that interceptor is coming.
Simply launced ten of thousands in very short time.
Launch thousands of small dummy rockets
Hey guys, look!

We got a mastermind here!


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: noviapriani on July 30, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: dKingston on July 30, 2014, 12:09:08 PM
Iron dome will only work for primitive hamas. Their rocket will only fly straight lines that is why it is easy to shot down.

I think Iron dome is easy to defeat.

Make those rockets move faster and move randomly.
Add guidance to those rockets and fly very low to the ground and make it follow the terrain
Make the rocket separate in to five or ten small warhead once it detects that interceptor is coming.
Simply launced ten of thousands in very short time.
Launch thousands of small dummy rockets
Hey guys, look!

We got a mastermind here!

I'm not in anyway supported the hamas, What I mean Iron Dome will simply not work on advance countries.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Rigon on July 30, 2014, 01:27:31 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: solid12345 on July 30, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.

Alot of the rockets are landing in Gaza itself. I saw another article where some landed in the West Bank and took out half a Palestinian family's home. Their reaction? They were filled with JOY for Hamas challenging the "Zionist entity" lol


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: verlosser89 on July 30, 2014, 03:18:27 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.

"It showed terrorists can be deterred'' by military force.  >:(
The attack on Gaza's 50-megawatt power plant had an immediate effect on hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Without air conditioning, they sweltered in the summer heat.  Thas horrible :)


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: zolace on July 30, 2014, 03:21:37 PM
Iron Dome only intercept about 90% of Hamas' attacks. Something that the media is forgetting are the remaining 10%. The people of Israel knows about the 10% and every time that alarm goes off, they know it can be the last thing they hear, yet the world only looks at the death rate in Gaza.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 30, 2014, 05:25:44 PM




http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/media-cover-up-of-hamas-crimes-starting-to-unravel/#more-93774



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 30, 2014, 07:48:33 PM


Palestinians used child labor to construct the tunnels*


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Once in control of the commercial tunnels, the Hamas government set about formalizing the smuggling economy through regulation. In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Interior Ministry established the Tunnel Affairs Commission (TAC) to act as the regulatory authority for commercial activities. Among its first acts was to issue a list of blacklisted imports, including weapons, alcohol, and tramadol, a painkiller much used in Gaza. In response to public concern at a rising toll of tunnel casualties, particularly of child workers, the TAC issued guidelines intended to ensure safe working conditions.

A similarly cavalier approach to child labor and tunnel fatalities damaged the movement’s standing with human-rights groups, despite government assurances dating back to 2008 that it was considering curbs. During a police patrol that the author was permitted to accompany in December 2011, nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies. At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials. Safety controls on imports appear similarly lax, although the TAC insists that a sixteen-man contingent carries out sporadic spot-checks.

http://palestine-studies.org/journals.aspx?id=11424&jid=1&href=fulltext


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Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 30, 2014, 07:53:19 PM

Report: MASSIVE PALESTINIAN SNEAK ATTACK Against Jewish State Planned For 12 Years

Reports are beginning to surface that tell a horrifying story of a near miss for the state of Israel.
The Palestinians have been using billions in aid money to build their terror tunnel network for a massive attack they started planning 12 years ago!


Hamas planned to use the tunnels it dug from Gaza to Israel to execute a massive attack on southern Israel, an Israeli newspaper reported, citing unnamed Israeli security sources.

Under the plan detailed Friday by the Hebrew-language Maariv daily, Hamas planned to send terrorists through the more than 30 tunnels uncovered by Israeli troops and into six southern Israeli communities on Rosh Hashanah in September of this year.

The plan was to kill and kidnap as many Israelis as possible, according to the report.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly told the security Cabinet about the discovered plot during late last week.

http://www.jta.org/2014/07/28/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/report-hamas-planned-rosh-hashanah-attack-through-gaza-tunnels


And from another report out of Israel:

Among it’s other achievements fighting in Gaza, Israel also captured a few terrorists and was able to extract information about Hamas’s plans.

When the soldiers interrogated the terrorists they asked “Why, with so many tunnels (41 so far) going deep into Israel, 25 meters below the ground, some of which reached as far as Beer Sheva – didn’t you use them to attack, kidnap and/or kill Israeli civilians?

The answer was this:

“We have spend the last 12 years building those tunnels and were planning a massive attack against Israel in 2 months time.

We built those dozens of tunnels throughout southern Israel, reaching many towns, not for terror attacks, but to capture territory.

We were waiting for the upcoming Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana,… we planned to use this advantage to attack and conquer the state of Israel and kill the Zionists.”

If the timeline is accurate, that means this all started under Mahmoud Abbas, aka Abu Mazen, the so called moderate terrorist leader of the PA.

The Obama administration supports the Palestinian Authority and its unity government with Hamas.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/report-massive-palestinian-sneak-attack-against-jewish-state-planned-for-12-years/



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 30, 2014, 08:11:46 PM


Three Israeli Soldiers Killed In Booby-Trapped U.N. Health Clinic…


Three IDF soldiers were killed on Wednesday in Gaza in an explosion at a booby-trapped UNRWA health clinic that housed the opening of a tunnel, the IDF’s Gaza Division commander, Brig. Gen. Micky Edelstein, said.

Two of the three were named as Staff Sgt. Matan Gotlib, 21, of Rishon Lezion, and Staff Sgt. Omer Chai, 21, of Savion.

The three troops, part of the elite Maglan unit, were taking precautionary measures in efforts to limit damage to the structure before eliminating the tunnel, when the explosives detonated in the small building.

The troops had sent in sniffing dogs and a small robot to minimize damage to the structure, located in Khan Yunis, but explosives rigged to the building detonated, toppling part of the building on top of the soldiers.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/3-idf-soldiers-killed-in-booby-trapped-unrwa-clinic/

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Stockpiles of rockets found in 3 U.N. schools. Booby-Trapped U.N. Health Clinic. Hmm.. Maybe it is a coincidence but the U.N. logo seems to bring lots of good luck to hamas lately. Nah! Pure conspiracy chaos theory... ;)



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 05:02:13 PM


Update: Over 175 Pounds Of Explosives Were Built Into Walls Of Booby-Trapped U.N. Health Clinic That Killed 3 Israeli Soldiers…


New details have emerged about the booby-trapped clinic explosion that killed three IDF Maglan unit soldiers in Gaza earlier this week – Sergeant First Class Matan Gottlieb, 21, from Rishon LeZion; Sergeant First Class Omar Chai, 21, from Savion; and Sergeant First Class Guy Algranati, 20, of Tel Aviv, hy”d.

Over eighty kilograms of explosives were built into the UN-funded hospital’s walls themselves, it was cleared for publication Thursday – revealing that the clinic itself was built to mask, and perform, potential acts of terror on the IDF.

Moreover, the clinic was built over tens of terror tunnels, according to the report.

The UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) has yet to respond to the revelations, and has still not responded to the deaths of the Israeli soldiers Wednesday.

On Tuesday, Hamas and Islamic Jihad rocket arsenals were found in a UNRWA school for the third time this month.

After the first finding of rockets at an UNRWA school, it was reported that rather than destroying the rockets, UNRWA workers called Hamas to come remove them.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183566#.U9p2VvldV8G

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So... How does that work exactly?... Do the UN workers place the bricks, then poor concrete, then place the explosives... Or is it explosives first, then bricks, then concrete? Can anyone from the UN elaborate on their hospital building technique here?

Again.. Pure UNcoincidence... ::)





Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 31, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
In most of those facilities you don't actually got western UN people, what you got is local people who work for the UN, or in other words, you got hamas members there with UN uniform.
Same with UNRWA, especially with UNRWA.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
In most of those facilities you don't actually got western UN people, what you got is local people who work for the UN, or in other words, you got hamas members there with UN uniform.
Same with UNRWA, especially with UNRWA.

Obviously. Adding " ::) "

The thing is though, no matter the people who are building, the UN is paying and supervising. Saying "I did not know because I was looking away when they brought the explosives" defense never worked in any court of law in any part of the world. Anywhere. Anytime. Why should it be working for the UN with its own billions now?




Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 31, 2014, 06:02:55 PM
The thing is though, no matter the people who are building, the UN is paying and supervising. Saying "I did not know because I was looking away when they brought the explosives" defense never worked in any court of law in any part of the world. Anywhere. Anytime.
I agree
Why should it be working for the UN with its own billions now?
Because the UN is a place where dictators group up so they can vote.
lol, see the irony here?  :D


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 06:21:43 PM
The thing is though, no matter the people who are building, the UN is paying and supervising. Saying "I did not know because I was looking away when they brought the explosives" defense never worked in any court of law in any part of the world. Anywhere. Anytime.
I agree
Why should it be working for the UN with its own billions now?
Because the UN is a place where dictators group up so they can vote.
lol, see the irony here?  :D

I think I understand what you mean... :)  http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/CurrentMembers.aspx



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on July 31, 2014, 06:34:43 PM
I think I understand what you mean... :)  http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/CurrentMembers.aspx
China xD



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 08:20:14 PM



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/31/son-of-hamas-founder-defends-israel-theyre-doing-gaza-a-favor-n1872856?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 08:30:27 PM


Hmm.. I wonder how many times Mr. Mosab Hassan Yousef was invited on NPR, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC or Sesame Street news... My guess is: close to zero. But I could be wrong of course.



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: beetcoin on July 31, 2014, 08:32:54 PM



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/31/son-of-hamas-founder-defends-israel-theyre-doing-gaza-a-favor-n1872856?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall



doesn't surprise to me. it's on fox, and is pro-israel. i wonder if this yousef guy is getting paid to say this shit. i'm not choosing one side of the other, but all i'm saying is that fox being pro-israel is not surprising in the least bit.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on July 31, 2014, 09:50:42 PM



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/31/son-of-hamas-founder-defends-israel-theyre-doing-gaza-a-favor-n1872856?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall



doesn't surprise to me. it's on fox, and is pro-israel. i wonder if this yousef guy is getting paid to say this shit. i'm not choosing one side of the other, but all i'm saying is that fox being pro-israel is not surprising in the least bit.

So does that mean, based on your logic, that every other liberal leaning TV stations are anti Israel?  :)



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: cryptofan5 on August 01, 2014, 02:44:39 AM
Did anyone read that the Iron Dome technology was stolen by hackers? I wonder if China will now develop its own version of it.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: CustomChickenDelivery on August 01, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
Did anyone read that the Iron Dome technology was stolen by hackers?
I wonder if China will now develop its own version of it.

China already has its own Iron Dome hack,

I think its an 8 bit mod using legacy equipment:


https://i.imgur.com/A2G1dqA.jpg

I hear its pretty effective and the Polish Army
is attempting to reverse engineer it.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 01, 2014, 03:00:35 PM

Hamas Issues ‘Terrorism 101 Handbook’


Hamas has been disseminating to its followers in the Gaza Strip a detailed terrorism training manual that teaches would-be bombers how to make explosives and conceal them in household items such as televisions, according to documents seized by the Israeli military during recent raids.

Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers discovered the handbook on the ground in the Gaza Strip as they conducted raids of homes and other facilities used by Hamas to plan its terror activities.

Hamas’ terrorism manuals instruct readers on how to build homemade explosive devices and how to set them to explode in unlikely places.

Hamas has even strapped explosives to donkeys and attempted to send them after Israeli soldiers.

The terror group’s goal is to encourage the citizens of Gaza to plant explosives in unlikely places in the hopes that Israeli military personnel set them off during routine raids in Gaza.

It is just another example of how Hamas utilizes unconventional warfare techniques and civilian cover to carry out attacks on Israelis. Hamas has already been caught using women and children as human shields and firing their rockets from hospitals and United Nations-owned schools.

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A.K.A. prayer book 2.0



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 01, 2014, 03:12:14 PM



Turkish “Humanitarian Aid” To Gaza: Ball-Bearings And Cement Mixers…




Customs officials at southern Israel’s Ashdod port discovered hundreds of ball-bearings and cement mixers in a Turkish shipment of “humanitarian aid” to Gaza on Wednesday, raising fears the cargo could have been used by Hamas to support its ongoing war against Israel, according to Channel Two.

While both items have civilian uses, both have played a central role building Hamas’s rocket arsenal and its vast network of “terror tunnels” into Israel.

Terrorists in Gaza regularly use ball-bearings to maximize the lethality of locally-made, short-range Qassam rockets. Unlike other, more powerful long-range rockets and military-grade mortar shells smuggled into Gaza from state-sponsors such as Iran, Qassam rockets have a relatively small warhead. But while the explosion itself may be relatively “small”, the rockets are also packed with shrapnel – including nails, razors and, most commonly, ball-bearings – which are scattered throughout a relatively wide radius upon impact, maiming or killing anyone in the vicinity.

The co-opting of hundreds of tons of concrete supplies by Hamas to build its underground tunnel network, used to store and transport weapons as well as carry out attacks inside Israel, has also been well-documented.

The timing of those specific items of “humanitarian aid” is particularly suspicious; Gaza’s civilian population are hardly appealing for fresh supplies of ball-bearings, and rebuilding targets struck by the Israeli Air Force while it is still operating over Gaza’s skies seems a rather unfruitful endeavor.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183554#.U9utrfldV8F



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 01, 2014, 03:31:17 PM


NY Times On Why They Have Not Published A Single Picture Of A Hamas Fighter: We Don’t Have Any…



After my piece Thursday morning asking why mainstream media outlets aren’t showing photos of Hamas fighters in Gaza, The New York Times offered me this response: We don’t have any.

Of the 37 images that make up the Times’ most recent three slide shows of photos from the conflict, there’s not a single shot of a Hamas rocket launch (though more than 2,800 rockets have been fired at Israel) or of Hamas fighters using mosques, schools or hospitals as bases of operation.

Why not? After all, Hamas attacks against Israel are crucial to understanding what’s underpinning this conflict.

Here’s what Eileen Murphy, the Times’ vice president for corporate communications, says:

Our photo editor went through all of our pictures recently and out of many hundreds, she found 2 very distant poor quality images that were captioned Hamas fighters by our photographer on the ground.  It is very difficult to identify Hamas because they don’t have uniforms or any visible insignia; our photographer hasn’t even seen anyone carrying a gun.

I would add that we would not withhold photos of Hamas militants.  We eagerly pursue photographs from both sides of the conflict, but we are limited by what our photographers have access to.



But here’s what I don’t get: With the hundreds of journalists there, including numerous photojournalists with experience covering bloody conflicts in Syria, Ukraine, Iraq and Afghanistan, how is it that they aren’t able to get any images of Palestinians fighting the Israelis? We know these images exist — unless you believe the Israel Defense Forces is fabricating its footage of Palestinian fighters using ambulances to transport rockets, firing from hospitals and mosques, and launching rockets at Israel.

http://www.jta.org/2014/07/31/news-opinion/nyt-on-why-no-photos-of-hamas-fighters-we-dont-have-any-1

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I never realized that until now. Even during the vietnam war, WWI, WWII, even before photography was invented, images or drawings of both sides of a conflict have always been represented, documented. Not for this conflict. You only see dead children, crushed hospitals and exploding donkeys. Never a proud hamas fighter near its Qassam rocket ready to be launched from inside a UN school. Why is that? I think Foxnews is responsible for that. Not a doubt about it...  :D ;D :D




Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 01, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
I never realized that until now. Even during the vietnam war, WWI, WWII, even before photography was invented, images or drawings of both sides of a conflict have always been represented, documented. Not for this conflict. You only see dead children, crushed hospitals and exploding donkeys. Never a proud hamas fighter near its Qassam rocket ready to be launched from inside a UN school. Why is that? I think Foxnews is responsible for that. Not a doubt about it...  :D ;D :D


http://patriotsbillboard.org/italian-reporter-confirms-hamas-cover-up-of-misfired-rockets-which-killed-10-children-on-playground/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/media-cover-up-of-hamas-crimes-starting-to-unravel/

Essentially, they are being threatened.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 02, 2014, 05:54:10 PM
I never realized that until now. Even during the vietnam war, WWI, WWII, even before photography was invented, images or drawings of both sides of a conflict have always been represented, documented. Not for this conflict. You only see dead children, crushed hospitals and exploding donkeys. Never a proud hamas fighter near its Qassam rocket ready to be launched from inside a UN school. Why is that? I think Foxnews is responsible for that. Not a doubt about it...  :D ;D :D


http://patriotsbillboard.org/italian-reporter-confirms-hamas-cover-up-of-misfired-rockets-which-killed-10-children-on-playground/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/media-cover-up-of-hamas-crimes-starting-to-unravel/

Essentially, they are being threatened.

Just to add a report from HRW http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/04/06/west-bankgaza-stop-harassing-journalists

Though in all honesty, HRW is a joke for the most part.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 02, 2014, 06:21:13 PM


Want To Help Defend Israel? Canadian Launches Crowdfunding Campaign For Iron Dome Anti-Missile




https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/stop-a-rocket



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: robhimself on August 02, 2014, 07:27:53 PM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.

If Israel ended their illegal seige on Gaza, there wouldn't be as much need to have so many tunnels to import supplies/food etc.

Not saying that would stop all weapons being smuggled but it would surely help.


The tunnels into Egypt from Gaza are for food and medical supplies and stuff, the tunnels into Israel from Gaza are solely for attacking Israel.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 02, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73NtxQ0OLnQ&list=PLBGElu55eU27l8rgne8HGkJiDz1iIvO9G

Brigitte Gabriel, who was used as a human shield when she was a child, was on “The Kelly File” tonight to discuss the Israel-Hamas conflict.

Gabriel said that between 1975 and 1976, she was used as a human shield in a bomb shelter.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Tusk on August 02, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.

If Israel ended their illegal seige on Gaza, there wouldn't be as much need to have so many tunnels to import supplies/food etc.

Not saying that would stop all weapons being smuggled but it would surely help.


The tunnels into Egypt from Gaza are for food and medical supplies and stuff, the tunnels into Israel from Gaza are solely for attacking Israel.

The Tanks, Aircraft, Missiles, Bombs...... are for attacking Palestinians


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 02, 2014, 11:00:59 PM
The Tanks, Aircraft, Missiles, Bombs...... are for attacking Palestinians
LOL.

Don't flatter yourself.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
Iron dome will only work for primitive hamas. Their rocket will only fly straight lines that is why it is easy to shot down.

I think Iron dome is easy to defeat.

Make those rockets move faster and move randomly.

Shhhh - don't tell Hamas.   Just make the rockets "move randomly".

You have a job ahead of you in coaching.

"Ok - kick the ball where the goalie isn't ok?"

Dude...stop it.

Israel has a GDP of 242 billion.   They can/should be paying for Iron Dome & other war efforts on their own.   Human and financial, 2 costs of war.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 03:56:50 AM
Meanwhile Hamas has built all these complexes of underground tunnels to smuggle weapons in yet won't build bunker shelters for their people.

If Israel ended their illegal seige on Gaza, there wouldn't be as much need to have so many tunnels to import supplies/food etc.

Not saying that would stop all weapons being smuggled but it would surely help.


The tunnels into Egypt from Gaza are for food and medical supplies and stuff, the tunnels into Israel from Gaza are solely for attacking Israel.
AFAIK there are no tunnels into Egypt, they are all into Israel. None of them are for anything that would benefit the citizens of Gaza in any way. They are all for attacking Israel.

Gaza does not need tunnels for medical supplies or food because Israel gives the citizens of Gaza food and medical supplies above ground.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 06:00:24 AM

AFAIK there are no tunnels into Egypt, they are all into Israel. None of them are for anything that would benefit the citizens of Gaza in any way. They are all for attacking Israel.

Gaza does not need tunnels for medical supplies or food because Israel gives the citizens of Gaza food and medical supplies above ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10061587/KFC-smuggled-into-Gaza-from-Egypt-through-underground-tunnels.html


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Tusk on August 03, 2014, 06:38:15 AM
The Tanks, Aircraft, Missiles, Bombs...... are for attacking Palestinians
LOL.

Don't flatter yourself.


 As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine)


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 03, 2014, 02:18:17 PM
The Tanks, Aircraft, Missiles, Bombs...... are for attacking Palestinians
LOL.

Don't flatter yourself.


 As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine)
Thank you for showing how biased the UN is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Syria

Only 4 resolution, 1 of which is specifically regarding the chemical weapons and has nothing to do directly with the civil war there so essentially there has been only 3 resolution, nothing since 2013.

Oh, and, a small detail, thus far there have been at least 150,000 death in Syria (this is in about 3.5 years), whereas in Israel, about 18,000 palestinians died since 48' (that's 66 years).
That's 117 death per day vs 0.74 death per day.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 03:34:33 PM
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Oh, and, a small detail, thus far there have been at least 150,000 death in Syria (this is in about 3.5 years), whereas in Israel, about 18,000 palestinians died since 48' (that's 66 years).
That's 117 death per day vs 0.74 death per day.

There ya go.   The stats prove it's a non issue.   Geezus

FYI - for those saying the tunnels serve one purpose only....


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Unfortunately, since Gaza tends more and more
towards a cash economy based upon movement of goods through
its tunnels to the Sinai, it becomes increasingly difficult
to estimate this amount with accuracy.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2447_a.html#efmAZWAbdAgIAja


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Starscream on August 03, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
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Oh, and, a small detail, thus far there have been at least 150,000 death in Syria (this is in about 3.5 years), whereas in Israel, about 18,000 palestinians died since 48' (that's 66 years).
That's 117 death per day vs 0.74 death per day.

There ya go.   The stats prove it's a non issue.   Geezus

FYI - for those saying the tunnels serve one purpose only....


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Unfortunately, since Gaza tends more and more
towards a cash economy based upon movement of goods through
its tunnels to the Sinai, it becomes increasingly difficult
to estimate this amount with accuracy.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2447_a.html#efmAZWAbdAgIAja
Stats prove that the UN is biased. Unless you're saying 150,000 dead are somehow insignificant when compared to the palestinians?
I never denied there's an issue there, but trying to portrait what's happening there as the worse thing in the world, genocide, or other nonsense is just plain retarded.

As far as the tunnels go, when people say they serve one purpose, they refer to the tunnels that go into Israel - those do serve a single purpose.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 04:55:36 PM
The Tanks, Aircraft, Missiles, Bombs...... are for attacking Palestinians
LOL.

Don't flatter yourself.


 As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine)
Haamas is very good at PR. They make it so Israel is forced to bomb schools and houses by keeping military supplies and personal there and then blame Israel for the resulting civilian causalities. Hammas is really to blame for these causalities as they are using the civilians as human shields.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 05:10:02 PM
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Haamas is very good at PR. They make it so Israel is forced to bomb schools and houses by keeping military supplies and personal there and then blame Israel for the resulting civilian causalities. Hammas is really to blame for these causalities as they are using the civilians as human shields.

Everyone from the UN to Amnesty International are in on the ruse too I guess right?

Oh right...it's only Israel and America and everyone else supports Hamas.

Give me a break.

Good at PR?   120+ Palestinians killed after an IDF soldier was "kidnapped during a ceasefire".   Who cares that days later they reveal his was killed in combat....not kidnapped (as admitted by Israel now and claimed from Hamas from day 1)

Yeah...only one side uses PR

Both do.  Blowing up a school with a missile is better than blowing it up with a suicide vest?  Oh right..because there was weapons there - so those 5 year olds pay the price.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: atc1 on August 03, 2014, 07:06:31 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.
I'm surprised that the Palestinian people are not stopping Hamas. Their loss is much more than the damage they are inflicting on Israel. The LTTE did the same thing of using civilians to cover their soldiers and they lost a large amount of support form the local population.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 07:33:25 PM
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I'm surprised that the Palestinian people are not stopping Hamas.

Why haven't the people of Iraq stopped ISIS?

What haven't the citizens of Chicago stopped gang violence?


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: atc1 on August 03, 2014, 07:37:14 PM
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I'm surprised that the Palestinian people are not stopping Hamas.

Why haven't the people of Iraq stopped ISIS?

What haven't the citizens of Chicago stopped gang violence?

ISIS is compromised of armed foreigners that want to take over their own country.
Gang violence is anonymous and there's the police.
Read the above example first before commenting.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: muldoonski on August 03, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
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ISIS is compromised of armed foreigners that want to take over their own country.
Gang violence is anonymous and there's the police.
Read the above example first before commenting.

I'll comment whenever I want, douche.

Tell me how these folks in Gaza should "stop" Hamas?   Should they vote that they want peace with Israel (like polls show they wanted pre-July). 

Please, enlighten us how these absolutely shell shocked, and essentially imprisoned people, should rise up against what they (right or wrong) consider to be their own military.



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Spendulus on August 04, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.
Sad but true.  And Iron Dome neutralizes the terror and propaganda effects of their amateur rockets.

That is why I am impressed with the system.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 04, 2014, 02:23:18 AM


‘Don’t Use Me’: Reporter Admits Seeing Rocket Fired from Gaza Hospital, then Blasts Pro-Israel Media for Quoting Her


A correspondent covering the Gaza conflict for a Finnish media outlet reported seeing a rocket being launched from Gaza City’s main hospital, Shifa, but later lashed out at the pro-Israel media for its “disgusting” use of her report as a “propaganda weapon.”

The report filed by Aishi Zidan of Finland’s Helsingin Sanomat noted that the rocket was fired from the backyard of the hospital. Israel has widely derided Hamas for what it calls a human shields policy, hiding its military assets and firing from behind civilian sites including mosques, schools and hospitals. Here is the video of Zidan’s report which was first discovered by the blog Tundra Tabloids (for English translation, ensure that captions are enabled):

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A translation of the Finnish report obtained by the blog Legal Insurrection read, “Also, a rocket attack was conducted from the ‘backyard’ of the hospital at 2 o’clock in the morning. It (the rocket launch), in fact, happened somewhere close by because the noise right here at the hospital area was really loud. Indeed, these rockets launched here from the Gazan side (of the border) are headed into Israel.”

Following the posting of her report on pro-Israel blogs, Zidan took to Facebook this weekend, writing, “Don’t use me as your propaganda weapon.”

Noting the main purpose of her report was to cover the “Palestinian civilians who were victims of war,” Zidan wrote, “During the night someone launched a rocket somewhere behind the hospital. Now this sentence from my article is spreading in the pro-Israeli medias. I mentioned this in my article because I’m a professional journalist. I try to cover the events truthfully as I see them and I strongly condemn these kind of actions.”

“But I find it very disgusting how this one sentence was taken out context to be used as an excuse to target civilians in Gaza. My story became quickly a tool of propaganda. The people sharing this story are not even trying to understand the situation as a whole. They are just looking for excuses to Israeli actions in Gaza,” she added.

“I refuse to be part of this kind of propaganda,” she concluded.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/03/dont-use-me-reporter-admits-seeing-rocket-fired-from-gaza-hospital-then-blasts-pro-israel-media-for-quoting-her%E2%80%A8/

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She refuses to be part of THIS kind of propaganda, this kind... But she is ok for THAT kind... Hmm.




Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 06:18:56 AM
Why haven't the people of Iraq stopped ISIS?

What haven't the citizens of Chicago stopped gang violence?

Why can't the ISIS fight against Israel? Too scared?

The last time I heard, they were massacring non-Muslim (Yazidi and Assyrian) men in Sinjar and raping the women. Seems like fighting against the unarmed civilians is much easier, when compared to fighting against the Israelis.


Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 05, 2014, 02:15:52 AM




Captured Hamas Combat Manual Explains Benefits of Human Shields



A Hamas manual on "Urban Warfare" found by the Israeli Defense Forces makes it unmistakably clear that Hamas desires civilian casualties amongst its own people and encourages its fighters to engage in battles in civilian populated areas in order to draw an Israeli response.

"Where is the U.N. Human Rights Council? Where is Amnesty International? Where is Human Rights Watch? Where is the international media and Middle East pundits. Where are all the lawfare experts? Here is 'Exhibit A' to indict Hamas for war crimes and crimes against humanity by placing the people of Gaza as human shields," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, dean and founder and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/04/captured-hamas-combat-manual-explains-benefits-human-shields/



Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 06, 2014, 05:22:48 AM


Damning Video: Indian TV Appears to Catch Hamas Red-Handed Outside Its Hotel



An Indian journalist appears to have captured the lifecycle of a Hamas rocket on camera, from clandestine construction to launch in a crowded area.

In a video report posted to YouTube Tuesday, Indian news outlet NDTV shows what appears to be a portable rocket construction site.


As reporter Sreenivasan Jain notes, a suspicious blue tent is erected in the middle of a dense urban area on Monday morning — on the very doorstep of Jain’s hotel — and a trio of men moves in and out of the tent carrying supplies.

Jain believes the tent to be hiding rocket construction, and notes the ramifications of that possibility.

“[The tent's use as a rocket building site] establishes something which Hamas has always been accused of, that they actually use densely populated civilian areas to fire their rockets,” Jain says. “You’ll see that this is an area [that is] very heavily built up, a lot of residential and hotel buildings all around. If Hamas does fire a rocket from here, it will have immediate consequences for everyone around here.”

On Tuesday morning, the video notes, a rocket is fired from nearly the same spot.


Jain and his camera crew investigate, but keep a safe distance: The possibility of an Israeli counterstrike has rendered the whole area around Jain’s hotel dangerous.

http://youtu.be/A_fP6mlNSK8

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/05/video-indian-tv-appears-to-catch-hamas-building-red-handed-outside-its-hotel/

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Title: Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014
Post by: Wilikon on August 11, 2014, 03:02:12 PM


Hamas said to have executed dozens of tunnel diggers

Any excavator who was suspected of collaborating with Israel was killed, Israeli website reports

Hamas executed dozens of diggers responsible for its extensive tunnel system in past weeks, fearing the workers would reveal the site locations to Israel, a report on the Mako website’s army blog said

There was no independent confirmation of the report

The tunnelers, many of whom constructed the tunnels over the course of months, would dig for 8-12 hours a day, and received a monthly wage of $150-$300, according to the blog.

Sources in Gaza told the website that Hamas took a series of precautions to prevent information from reaching Israel. The terror organization would reportedly blindfold the excavators en route to the sites and back, to prevent them from recognizing the locations. The tunnels were strictly supervised by Hamas members, and civilians were kept far from the sites.

M., a former tunnel digger and Israeli collaborator, told the website that Hamas would strip search the workers to ensure they had no recording devices or cameras hidden on them.

“The people we met had their faces covered; no one knew them by their real names, it was all codes and first names. They didn’t want to take the risk that some of the diggers were collaborating with Israel,” he said.

A tunnel, within a civilian home, found by Golani soldiers in the northern Gaza Strip (photo credit: IDF Spokesperson's Unit/ Flash 90)
A tunnel entrance, within a civilian home, found by Golani soldiers in the northern Gaza Strip (photo credit: IDF Spokesperson’s Unit/ Flash 90)

After the tunnels were completed, dozens were reportedly executed to prevent intelligence leaks to Israel.

“Anyone they suspected might transfer information to Israel on the tunnels was killed by the military wing,” a different source said. “They were very cruel.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-have-executed-dozens-of-tunnel-diggers/