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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: howardb on July 31, 2014, 02:41:12 AM



Title: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: howardb on July 31, 2014, 02:41:12 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-30/argentina-defaults-according-to-s-p-as-debt-meetings-continue.html

There has been lots of discussion on whether an Argentina default would be the catalyst for mass bitcoin adoption there. Andreas Antanopoulus has discussed this many times, now we get to find out how right/wrong he is.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: cryptofan5 on July 31, 2014, 09:51:16 AM
Somebody just said in the news that this is an economic bomb america is throughing into the world. presumably it means that other countries could be forced also to either default or pay 100% of the bonds value with interest.



Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: Kprawn on July 31, 2014, 10:06:48 AM
Just another example, why centralization fails. {When the people do not govern their own country}

The Puppet masters pulled the strings and the puppet must dance to their tune. Money rule the world. {Strong countries give help freely, but then you have to dance to their tunes}

A lot of the citizens of Argentina already converted some of their disposable fiat into bitcoin, to protect it from the falling fiat currency, but regulations made by the government, made it difficult to use it, or to use bitcoin as a store of value. {They protect the fiat currency}  >:(


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: cr1776 on July 31, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
Somebody just said in the news that this is an economic bomb america is throughing into the world. presumably it means that other countries could be forced also to either default or pay 100% of the bonds value with interest.

Yeah, imagine that.  Someone, or some group, voluntarily agrees to borrow money, and agrees to pay it back with interest.  And then they are "forced" to do so.   ::)  

Those dastardly people throwing a bomb that expects people to do what they agree to do.



Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: medUSA on July 31, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
Argentina's "selective default" is a complicated issue between the government and the bond holders (fund managers mostly). I don't think this default event is going to suddenly drive Argentinians to bitcoin. The Argentine Peso crashed in January this year and has remained relatively stable. We need to see uncontrolled devaluation before we see Argentinians flocking to bitcoin.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: blumangroup on August 01, 2014, 01:18:03 AM
The peso is expected to have inflation in excess of 40% this year, before the default.  The value of the peso on the black market is far below the government controlled exchange rate. Anyone would have to be crazy to not trade in currencies other then the peso. It is just a matter of how much people will use bitcoin that would not otherwise use it.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: thecast on August 01, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
If you are poor you can't bitcoin anyway  ::)


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: ljudotina on August 01, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
You can buy bitcoin with 5$....why would "being poor" stop anyone from getting into BTC.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: cr1776 on August 01, 2014, 03:30:24 PM
You can buy bitcoin with 5$....why would "being poor" stop anyone from getting into BTC.

This.  Anyone can get into bitcoin, whether they have a penny, a dollar, or a million dollars.  Even if you have NO money you can get into bitcoin if you have a skill you can sell. 

Self-defeating attitudes hold so many people back from reaching their true potential.

:-)


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: Bit_Happy on August 02, 2014, 02:55:39 AM
You can buy bitcoin with 5$....why would "being poor" stop anyone from getting into BTC.

This.  Anyone can get into bitcoin, whether they have a penny, a dollar, or a million dollars.  Even if you have NO money you can get into bitcoin if you have a skill you can sell. 

Self-defeating attitudes hold so many people back from reaching their true potential.

:-)

Bitcoin is for everyone.  :)
The last 3 years, I have "restarted" 3 times and always earned my initial BTC, instead of buying them.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: knight22 on August 02, 2014, 03:36:20 AM
You can buy bitcoin with 5$....why would "being poor" stop anyone from getting into BTC.

People can also work to get bitcoins. So anyone can get his hands on some without having any fiat money to exchange.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 02, 2014, 05:43:37 AM
I haven't been keeping count but that makes it  multiple times that Argentina defaults
At the same time serves you right creditors buying junk bonds then trying to push for a giant payday by asking for them at the inital price, Argentina did make several offers to partial settle with its creditors but its the pariahs of them that led them to getting nothing at all.

Still this is good news for Bitcoin as the currency can now be reset and Bitcoin has a role in this ecosystem.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: lihuajkl on August 03, 2014, 07:40:16 AM
Argentina's "selective default" is a complicated issue between the government and the bond holders (fund managers mostly). I don't think this default event is going to suddenly drive Argentinians to bitcoin. The Argentine Peso crashed in January this year and has remained relatively stable. We need to see uncontrolled devaluation before we see Argentinians flocking to bitcoin.
The problem is that many people still don't know btc, how could they trust it? They prefer dollar, gold.


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: obocaman on August 03, 2014, 12:24:10 PM
How many threads of argentina defaulting do we need?  ::)


Title: Re: [2014-07-31] Argentina defaults
Post by: fa on August 03, 2014, 01:36:58 PM
Yet another Argentina btc speculation, and we are going to da moon, haha