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Title: Address balances
Post by: RawDog on August 02, 2014, 11:37:15 PM
I am wondering how I can get my bitcoin address to have a negative value.  Can some of you hackers out there help me figure out a way to reach realize a negative output?  This would be much appreciated.



Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: cozk on August 02, 2014, 11:38:41 PM
lol


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: R2D221 on August 03, 2014, 12:01:07 AM
If someone had a negative balance, it would be considered a bug, and would be fixed for the next release (similar to when someone created 91 billion bitcoins or such).

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: BurtW on August 03, 2014, 12:14:42 AM
What would that mean?  You owe the Bitcoin network that many BTC?


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Mitchell on August 03, 2014, 12:21:53 AM
You can't be serious right? You cannot have a negative balance with Bitcoin. It's impossible (or at least should be impossible) to do.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: rz20 on August 03, 2014, 12:29:06 AM
It can happen sometimes in the blockchain because it is not good synced, or if you have tried to double spend.

When you resync your wallet it will have the correct amount.

If this happened to you it will be a bug from just the blockchain nodes or your wallet.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: micaman on August 03, 2014, 12:31:18 AM
It can happen sometimes in the blockchain because it is not good synced, or if you have tried to double spend.

When you resync your wallet it will have the correct amount.

If this happened to you it will be a bug from just the blockchain nodes or your wallet.
I think you meant Blockchain.info, not blockchain. I don't think the blockchain can get unsynced, it's where you sync yourself with.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: BurtW on August 03, 2014, 12:37:06 AM
Are you trying to see if you can create a negative balance OR do you have a negative balance at some web site?  If so which web site? Or, are you a troll?


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: RoadStress on August 03, 2014, 01:06:41 AM
OP is obviously trolling!


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: bbit on August 03, 2014, 01:18:34 AM
lol

lol lolz


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: keithers on August 03, 2014, 01:20:16 AM
you don't want to have to pay the overdraft fees of a negative balance BTC wallet!


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: haploid23 on August 03, 2014, 02:12:13 AM
Why do you guys take this clown so seriously? He has bitcoin all figured out, and says it with confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr3qEjbstM


More videos and his official channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E2VNe6Urbo


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: lihuajkl on August 03, 2014, 03:25:14 AM
You can't be serious right? You cannot have a negative balance with Bitcoin. It's impossible (or at least should be impossible) to do.
yes,impossible. If possible, the limit of 21 million will be expanded. The amount of btc in one address can be sent out more than it owns. Then infinite number of btc can be created out.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: phillipsjk on August 03, 2014, 06:16:13 AM
I am wondering how I can get my bitcoin address to have a negative value.  Can some of you hackers out there help me figure out a way to reach realize a negative output?  This would be much appreciated.


Technically, addresses do no have balances: they are simply hashes of public keys. Private keys can be used to spend specific "coins." A coin is defined by it's [transaction hash]:[output index].

Code:
<phillipsjk> Does anybody have negative "balance" examples on hand? rawdog wants to know.
<dsnrk> sec.
<Amphibian> i'd code this up and show what I mean if I were actually interested in counting pools rather than just playing at math :p
<Amphibian> probably doesn't come across well in text
<dsnrk> ;;balance 3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX
<gribble> -0.00887168
<dsnrk> phillipsjk: who is rawdog?
<Amphibian> dsnrk: lol. grepping my logs; 90% of balance requests are you doing either ethereum or that negative one.
<dsnrk> I don't doubt that for even a second
* Trustable (----) has joined #bitcoin
<phillipsjk> He likes ranting incoherently on Youtube. Thinks Bitcoin is a waste of time.

In that example, the hash is not one of a private key; but instead the hash of a payment script (It starts with 3 to indicate that (Pay to Script Hash)). Currently those are mainly used for multisignature transactions, but they don't have to be. You could embed a transaction spending some coin that was previously sent to another "address" for example (but you would only be able to broadcast the transaction once AFAIK).

Also, the various block explorers are not always reliable. I suspect "stealth addresses" may mess them up.

Edit: It was pointed out my explanation was slightly wrong. I crossed out the non-carefully vetted statements.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: BurtW on August 03, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
Well I'll be darned.

I actually do learn something new every day that I am involved with Bitcoin.

That is why I just love Bitcoin and, on a side note, have now broken 100 days on this site!!!  Party time!

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Total time logged in: 100 days, 1 hours and 16 minutes
 

Check this out, a negative "balance" it is:

https://blockchain.info/address/3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX



Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Mitchell on August 03, 2014, 01:19:14 PM
That is why I just love Bitcoin and, on a side note, have now broken 100 days on this site!!!  Party time!

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Total time logged in: 100 days, 1 hours and 16 minutes
Damn. You beat me man. Congrats on breaking 100 days! I am currently at 99 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes.
We both beat escrow.ms by the way (if you care about that, hahaha).


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Mobius on August 05, 2014, 06:06:21 AM
It is not possible to "overdraw" your bitcoin balance. If you attempted to spend inputs that were not there then the TX would be rejected by the network.

Your address does not really have a "balance" but rather has a set of unspent inputs that were received from previous transactions. In order to spend your BTC associated with a specific address you will need to spend a specific unspent input.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Shen yingying on August 05, 2014, 06:18:01 AM
I am wondering how I can get my bitcoin address to have a negative value.  Can some of you hackers out there help me figure out a way to reach realize a negative output?  This would be much appreciated.



This is very interesting topic,  Hope I will know how to do if I got same ting here .


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: TrailingComet on August 05, 2014, 06:24:01 AM
Not possible in the btc world. Hence deflationary as you can't spend what you did not have.


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: gordoh on August 05, 2014, 06:29:35 AM
Lol it would be pretty cool though, but then every1 would do it and it would ruin the currency...


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: odolvlobo on August 05, 2014, 06:38:26 AM
Check this out, a negative "balance" it is:
https://blockchain.info/address/3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX

That appears to be a problem with blockchain.info because there is a missing transaction


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Nerazzura on August 05, 2014, 07:08:23 AM
I am wondering how I can get my bitcoin address to have a negative value.  Can some of you hackers out there help me figure out a way to reach realize a negative output?  This would be much appreciated.


find Mr.satoshi and mortgaged vehicle or your gold, and you will get a balance in your account.lol


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: amaclin on August 05, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
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That appears to be a problem with blockchain.info because there is a missing transaction

No. There are no missing transactions from/to 3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX
blockchain.info site just calculates inputs and outputs incorrectly


Title: Re: Address balances
Post by: Naruto.me on August 05, 2014, 08:28:45 AM
I am wondering how I can get my bitcoin address to have a negative value.  Can some of you hackers out there help me figure out a way to reach realize a negative output?  This would be much appreciated.



My answer is simple

Photoshop ;D