Title: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 05:19:13 PM Im really disapointed...... just wanting to buy a few Antminer S3 cause I can use them at work where I have no electricity fee.........
I was seeing the ROI , using this calculator: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator Please, can someone help me??? I dont understand why ROI is impossible even without electricity fee........ or this calculator is not accurate??? Thanks!!! https://i.imgur.com/zoChzfL.png Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Josepht on August 06, 2014, 05:23:05 PM The hardware price isn't 600$, but 400$ ;)
Edit: A difficulty increase of 20% for the next months isn't going to happen in my opinion. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: cloverme on August 06, 2014, 05:34:46 PM That calculator has never been accurate for me, at all... it's never returned a correct btc est. value for me. I just avoid it...
I find this one to be more accurate: http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 05:35:03 PM I used $ 600 with customs fee and deliver........ maybe $ 550 ??
I think 20% is accurate, I was looking Graph from blockchain , and seems a solid grow...... not? Thanks a lot Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Josepht on August 06, 2014, 05:41:33 PM Well, the price depends of course on where you live.
I don't think that a 20% increase is possible, because that'd mean that in 8 weeks the total hashing power needs to be doubled. I doubt that that will happen. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 05:47:21 PM Thanks a lot!
I really think as you, 20% is huge and 8 weeks for double hash rate................ but on the other side, I see this chart: (about 30% every 30 days if you get the last year data) Difficulty History
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Josepht on August 06, 2014, 06:12:15 PM Did you notice that the from the last 10 times only 2 times a increase larger than 15% took place?
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: jowaybea on August 06, 2014, 06:16:03 PM With the currently available hardware, there is no possible way difficulty adjustments could be 20% for 6 months. At that rate, even BitFury, MegabigPower, and CoinTerra would not be able to operate their gear at a profit. Plus, at that rate they'd have to sell more and more BTC to cover operating/electricity costs, causing BTC price to tank, and making even more hardware unprofitable. The difficulty is self adjusting, and if it got out of control like that, it could go down.
Now, when <20nm ASICS start joining the network at >5GH / Watt, things could accelerate again. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 06:24:03 PM Ok......thanks a lot for the answers! I see it now!! :)
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: xstr8guy on August 06, 2014, 09:41:56 PM We're just having a lull in difficulty increases. There are 100's of PHs that will be deployed in the coming months.
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 09:50:08 PM what hardware are you talking about ?? Im not daily following the hardware forum.......
Thanks! :) Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: philipma1957 on August 06, 2014, 10:07:39 PM Thanks a lot! I really think as you, 20% is huge and 8 weeks for double hash rate................ but on the other side, I see this chart: (about 30% every 30 days if you get the last year data) Difficulty History
you do not know how to analyze that info . break in down into segments use: june 5 2013 to dec 21 2013 avg diff was 25% next use dec 21 2013 to july 12 2014 avg diff was 18% that downward trend is real so go from july 12 2014 to jan 2 2015 you will down trend from 18% the ways I could be wrong. a new magic super asic that uses .05 watts a gh or btc price jumps to 2000 usd a coin. so buying a s-3 if you are eur based use 600 usd and 10 or 12 % not 20 % Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 06, 2014, 10:36:30 PM Yes, im from EU , so my budget i think is about $ 600 each S3.
Now I see the slow progression as difficulty raise, and you are right, it´s really more accurate between 10-12% Thanks a lot! Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: philipma1957 on August 06, 2014, 11:15:29 PM Yes, im from EU , so my budget i think is about $ 600 each S3. Now I see the slow progression as difficulty raise, and you are right, it´s really more accurate between 10-12% Thanks a lot! yeah we had super jumps in 2013 for many reasons. coins run up in sept -nov from 100 usd to 1100 usd. asics sold replacing gpus. in 2013 the new asics are a little better then the old asics and coins dropped in price so jumps have been less. newer asics are .6 to .75 watts not the same improvement Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: xstr8guy on August 07, 2014, 02:28:22 AM Thanks a lot! I really think as you, 20% is huge and 8 weeks for double hash rate................ but on the other side, I see this chart: (about 30% every 30 days if you get the last year data) Difficulty History
you do not know how to analyze that info . break in down into segments use: june 5 2013 to dec 21 2013 avg diff was 25% next use dec 21 2013 to july 12 2014 avg diff was 18% that downward trend is real so go from july 12 2014 to jan 2 2015 you will down trend from 18% the ways I could be wrong. a new magic super asic that uses .05 watts a gh or btc price jumps to 2000 usd a coin. so buying a s-3 if you are eur based use 600 usd and 10 or 12 % not 20 % Ugh! Two data points don't signify a trend. It was just over a month ago that we had a 25% difficulty increase. There are going to be many shocked and disappointed miners when it happens again... soon. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: xstr8guy on August 07, 2014, 02:32:15 AM what hardware are you talking about ?? Im not daily following the hardware forum....... Thanks! :) ASICMiner, Bitfury, BitMain, KNC, Spoondoolies and others are still producing and deploying massive amounts of PHs. The vast majority are going straight to self-owned private mining operations. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Nagle on August 07, 2014, 06:08:14 AM With the currently available hardware, there is no possible way difficulty adjustments could be 20% for 6 months. At that rate, even BitFury, MegabigPower, and CoinTerra would not be able to operate their gear at a profit. Sure it could. It's quite possible that enough people have Bitcoin mining gear on order, or ASICs in fab, for that to happen. Until we hear that ASIC vendors are shutting down production, the difficulty is going to continue to increase rapidly. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Bitsaurus on August 07, 2014, 11:15:01 AM While the Bitcoin world moves quickly, the conventional world in which the miners are hosted moves slowly. If a company spent millions of dollars building a warehouse and got power contracts and is just now getting online with hardware it would just hit the network despite being ordered/payed for months in advance. Remember less than 3 months ago BTC was almost $700 and 4 months ago it almost doubled in 1 month - people have to guess future trends.
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: BrianM on August 07, 2014, 11:16:22 AM You need analog miners but nobody care about that anymore, but they will roi and never outdate.
Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 07, 2014, 11:42:45 AM analog miners? first time I hear about them....... Why people dont care anymore? Low hashrate ?
Thanks! Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: Bitsaurus on August 07, 2014, 12:05:42 PM analog miners? first time I hear about them....... Why people dont care anymore? Low hashrate ? Thanks! BrianM is either using a translator or doesn't have a good mastery of English. To my knowledge there is no such thing as an analog miner - not even sure what he could have even meant. The next Batch of S3 is not due for another 2 weeks and difficulty is about to jump to 20 billion, so by then it may be 21 or 22 billion. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 07, 2014, 08:11:24 PM English isn´t my main language too but, it´s first time for me seeing "analog asic"....
Im wondering what he was trying to say.............. Maybe DIY asic ? I have seen a few proyects about DIY minners....... Thanks all people is helping in this thread!!! :) Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: SMB-2525 on August 08, 2014, 02:17:06 AM I find this one to be more accurate: http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ What do you use as the profitability decline per year? Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: LightningBlade on August 08, 2014, 02:19:29 AM Im really disapointed...... just wanting to buy a few Antminer S3 cause I can use them at work where I have no electricity fee......... I was seeing the ROI , using this calculator: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator Please, can someone help me??? I dont understand why ROI is impossible even without electricity fee........ or this calculator is not accurate??? Thanks!!! https://i.imgur.com/zoChzfL.png Please accept the truth that mining isn't profitable for small time investor. If you order a million S3 they would give u 70% discount. Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: goyetus on August 08, 2014, 02:25:38 AM - difficulty near 15% in the best of the scenario.......
- No electricity fee - ROI in 5-6 months , and later, about 400 € profit if difficulty is 15% to end of days I dont see the business....... Only can Truly ROI if bitcoin rockets to 1000 USD... :( Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: SMB-2525 on August 08, 2014, 02:26:13 AM The next Batch of S3 is not due for another 2 weeks and difficulty is about to jump to 20 billion, so by then it may be 21 or 22 billion. Does that mean S3-B6 with a ship date of 12-Aug is sold out? Or is there a factor applied to the published ship date? https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: SMB-2525 on August 08, 2014, 03:36:48 AM I built a spreadsheet for the no electricity model. Assumes 10% increase in difficulty every 11 days. If I order the miner and put them in production on Aug 18 (the next bump date in my spreadsheet) then the payback by Dec 6. This assumes the miner is .66 BTC to include shipping and half of the PS is $65. By Dec 6, the miner is making a whopping 2.32 a day.
If I change the assumptions to 8% difficulty increase and 12 days per bump then it pays back by mid November in 100 days. It stays over $2/day until February. My landlord is not able to track electricity usage at the apartment level. ;D Title: Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? Post by: BrianM on August 08, 2014, 07:59:09 AM analog miners? first time I hear about them....... Why people dont care anymore? Low hashrate ? Thanks! With analog you get infinite step instead of only 1's and zeroes. So you can have hash a lot when mining with variable steplenght also noise is not a problem it will be filtered out with bandpass and there will be possible of makeing more hash, if the filters are outdated, so no more useless gear, just update the filters and you can continnie mining :) |