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Title: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: sana8410 on August 08, 2014, 04:31:34 PM
White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq, but weighing options

WHITE HOUSE STOPS SHORT of committing US military to stopping a potential 'genocide' in Iraq, and whether doing so is in 'America's core interest' — as Islamic State militants seize Iraq's biggest Christian city and nearly 40,000 religious minorities are trapped on a mountainside.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Obama-Flashback-Were-Leaving-Behind-a-Sovereign-Stable-and-Self-Reliant-Iraq


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: noviapriani on August 08, 2014, 04:41:51 PM
...and at least a million radical towelheads intent on destroyer Israel and the USA, aka the Little Satan and the Great Satan....


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Wilikon on August 08, 2014, 04:51:16 PM
White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq, but weighing options

WHITE HOUSE STOPS SHORT of committing US military to stopping a potential 'genocide' in Iraq, and whether doing so is in 'America's core interest' — as Islamic State militants seize Iraq's biggest Christian city and nearly 40,000 religious minorities are trapped on a mountainside.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Obama-Flashback-Were-Leaving-Behind-a-Sovereign-Stable-and-Self-Reliant-Iraq

Mosul Archbishop Nikodimos Daoud: ISIS Perpetrates Genocide against Iraq's Christians
http://youtu.be/TbCS0Z37wqM

Acc. to the WH's non commitment, this Archbishop, Nikodimos Daoud is weighing the options of what he saw...






Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 04:59:53 PM
And what do you people want right now?
For the us to act like the world police again when a few weeks ago everybody was mad at them for interfering with other nations?



Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: noviapriani on August 08, 2014, 05:04:35 PM
but, he had no problem sending air support to Libya, and Egypt, where we had no compelling interest......wondrous strange.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Wilikon on August 08, 2014, 05:06:27 PM
And what do you people want right now?
For the us to act like the world police again when a few weeks ago everybody was mad at them for interfering with other nations?



Of course this is what the world wants. Sometimes it is "world police" sometimes it is "world garbage man"... The world loves it.



Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: umair127 on August 08, 2014, 05:07:35 PM
White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq, but weighing options

WHITE HOUSE STOPS SHORT of committing US military to stopping a potential 'genocide' in Iraq, and whether doing so is in 'America's core interest' — as Islamic State militants seize Iraq's biggest Christian city and nearly 40,000 religious minorities are trapped on a mountainside.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Obama-Flashback-Were-Leaving-Behind-a-Sovereign-Stable-and-Self-Reliant-Iraq
"Christianity in Mosul is dead, and a Christian holocaust is in our midst," said Mark Arabo, a Californian businessman and Chaldean-American leader. In an interview with CNN's Jonathan Mann, he called what's happening in Iraq a "Christian genocide" and said "children are being beheaded, mothers are being raped and killed, and fathers are being hung."

"Right now, three thousand Christians are in Iraq fleeing to neighboring cities," he told Mann. Arabo is calling on the international community to follow France's lead and offer the Christians of Iraq asylum.
DOHUK, Iraq — American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq on Thursday night to rout Islamist insurgents who have trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, Kurdish officials said.

Word of the bombings, reported on Kurdish television from the city of Erbil, came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington.

Kurdish officials said the bombings targeted fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria who had seized two towns, Gwer and Mahmour. Residents who had fled those areas by car were heard honking their horns in approval. But Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said on Twitter that the reports of the bombings were false.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Wilikon on August 08, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
but, he had no problem sending air support to Libya, and Egypt, where we had no compelling interest......wondrous strange.


Libya and Egypt... Maybe he is not too concerned about Christians dying?



Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Rooothlespredators on August 08, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Ask others to start another crusade, I hear Ethiopa has a lot of Christians. America should sit this one out.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Rigon on August 08, 2014, 05:39:36 PM
White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq, but weighing options

WHITE HOUSE STOPS SHORT of committing US military to stopping a potential 'genocide' in Iraq, and whether doing so is in 'America's core interest' — as Islamic State militants seize Iraq's biggest Christian city and nearly 40,000 religious minorities are trapped on a mountainside.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Obama-Flashback-Were-Leaving-Behind-a-Sovereign-Stable-and-Self-Reliant-Iraq
Add to that "the world is a safer place" and you have someone that hasn't a clue what foreign policy is or any idea of what Americas responsibility is whether the lefties like it or not. Had obama worked to keep the status of forces agreement bush signed with iraq none of this would be happening. If obama had responded to the iraqi gov't plea for help with the terrorists build up of forces on their border this wouldn't be happening.  The Christians hiding in the mountains in norther iraq have no supplies and they are burying their dead by the thousands with no help in sight and obama is still thinking about what to do in iraq as the terrorists slaughter more than 100,000 innocent civilians. And the fricken idiots that bitch and whine because Israel strikes missile launchers surrounded by women and children that hamas is using as shields!!!!


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: umair127 on August 08, 2014, 05:41:14 PM
Breaking news! Obama will drop humanitarian food and water to those trapped on the mountaintop. At least they won't die hungry and thirsty.

This is like Obama sending MRE's to Ukraine after they asked for weapons and ammunition.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/08/obama-authorizes-air-strikes-against-militants-in-iraq/


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: umair127 on August 08, 2014, 05:52:25 PM
But not to worry, because as always, Obama is 'deeply concerned and monitoring the situation closely'...as he tees up for the next hole.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Chef Ramsay on August 08, 2014, 06:20:59 PM
I think the Vatican should be part of the international peace and charitable coalition to drop aid on these people rather than governments. There's not much really to be done to stop Arabs from killing other Arabs unless people want to suit up and head over there to help out.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Tusk on August 08, 2014, 07:22:45 PM
Not that it will happen but all outside parties should stay out of it, those that want to kill one another will do so until they see how futile it is, or are all dead. Then hopefully some normality will emerge over time. Any more meddling will just prolong the conflict. Let those who live there decide how they will live or die.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Brewins on August 08, 2014, 08:56:20 PM
So many evidence favouring the crazy theory about Obama being loyal not to the USA, but to the Muslin Brotherhood.

They bomb and overthrow former allieds, like the Mubarak and Gadaffi, then make nothing to stop ISIL advance, when they are part of the terror used to justify the Afeghanistan and Iraqui invasion.

Also this is a counterproof for the theory that USA invaded Iraqi because of the oil


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Honeypot on August 09, 2014, 02:16:14 AM
Fuck world opinion. If they can't even get along with their neighbors over ocean rocks and religion they got no business bitching at us.

Butcher these rag head shit skins.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: REDoctober on August 09, 2014, 04:11:33 AM
And what do you people want right now?
For the us to act like the world police again when a few weeks ago everybody was mad at them for interfering with other nations?



Of course this is what the world wants. Sometimes it is "world police" sometimes it is "world garbage man"... The world loves it.



Thats why we get paid the big bucks. When push comes to shove,

you WANT us on your side. Whose ya PAPPY? ;D


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Bitsaurus on August 09, 2014, 05:33:08 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  This is all Hitler's and Hirohito's fault!


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 09, 2014, 06:53:50 AM
If Barack Obama really wanted to stop the genocide, then he should have given shipments of heavy weaponry to the Kurdish Peshmerga two weeks ago, when they were fighting the ISIS in Mosul. Now it is too late to save the Yazidis and Assyrians.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: REDoctober on August 09, 2014, 07:18:43 AM
We're savin' the lil buggers as we speak. American servicemen are risking life and limb

to bring them sustenance and are striking down ISIS like the Hand of Doom.

Once again, whose your Pappy?


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Daniel91 on August 09, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
If Barack Obama really wanted to stop the genocide, then he should have given shipments of heavy weaponry to the Kurdish Peshmerga two weeks ago, when they were fighting the ISIS in Mosul. Now it is too late to save the Yazidis and Assyrians.

I agree with you.
Their reaction is always to late and to weak, the same story like in Ukraine.
It seems Obama want to do something without risk, but this doesn't work.
Sad story is that nobody want to be involved to much in Iraq.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: wasserman99 on August 09, 2014, 10:38:52 PM
If Barack Obama really wanted to stop the genocide, then he should have given shipments of heavy weaponry to the Kurdish Peshmerga two weeks ago, when they were fighting the ISIS in Mosul. Now it is too late to save the Yazidis and Assyrians.

I agree with you.
Their reaction is always to late and to weak, the same story like in Ukraine.
It seems Obama want to do something without risk, but this doesn't work.
Sad story is that nobody want to be involved to much in Iraq.
What would happen if these weapons were to end up in the hands of the ISIS? The ISIS has been able to overrun much of the resistance so it would not be out of the question that the location that these weapons would be housed in would get taken over.

I think the best solution would have been not to withdraw from the country in the first place. Obama wanted to withdraw so he could use the funds he saved to pay for his liberal policies.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Wilikon on August 09, 2014, 10:44:36 PM



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-08/obama-s-iraq-decision-followed-limo-ride-with-general-dempsey.html




http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/09/Obama-Blames-Underestimating-ISIS-on-Bad-Intelligence


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A limo ride and bad intelligence about the JAYVEE team... Does that mean snowden was wrong about the US hardware capability in space and on the internet?

Strange... ::) ::)




Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Bitsaurus on August 09, 2014, 10:54:53 PM

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A limo ride and bad intelligence about the JAYVEE team... Does that mean snowden was wrong about the US hardware capability in space and on the internet?

Strange... ::) ::)


Bad intelligence indeed.  Clearly ISIS found the WMDs in Iraq and is now using them in the upcoming genocide.

The man can do no wrong.  It wasn't his bad judgement, it was bad intelligence.  I think it was a lack of intelligence...


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Nathonas on August 10, 2014, 04:39:47 AM
Translation - there's nothing for them to benefit from by sending troops or bombing ISIS. It's all the same political game, you almost never ever see a country do something out of the kindness of its heart. The West stood by when Rwanda happened, this will probably be the same.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Mobius on August 10, 2014, 05:56:23 AM

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A limo ride and bad intelligence about the JAYVEE team... Does that mean snowden was wrong about the US hardware capability in space and on the internet?

Strange... ::) ::)


Bad intelligence indeed.  Clearly ISIS found the WMDs in Iraq and is now using them in the upcoming genocide.

The man can do no wrong.  It wasn't his bad judgement, it was bad intelligence.  I think it was a lack of intelligence...
The Obama administration, overall is not very good with intelligence. I don't think the ISIS found any WMD, but rather are using traditional weapons (guns) to kill citizens in mass.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Honeypot on August 10, 2014, 06:38:53 AM
Obama is not only unprofessional and grossly out of his league, but even worse actually believes his 'righteous' attitude is something other than 1st world privilege talking just because he's half black. He is the perfect example of vapid weak mentality of today's generation that thinks having some tan in your skin makes you 'unique'.

The whole world is laughing at his ignorant childish attitude, and russia or china certainly do not take him seriously. Whole of middle east firmly believes he is a coward. Interestingly that is not too far from the truth. Even general mccrystal, who was promoted from serving in the special forces, commented that obama was visibly intimidated and demur in front of generals and armed force personnel.

Most people in his administration are in one of two camps: the ass kissers who are useless and impotent with any real issues, and more experienced people who tune him out and just scratch his head when he wants it, while trying to minimize the damage his mouth does where ever he goes.

The boy obama needs to check his reality, because he should know by now negro/black reality is something of a fantasy and certainly a good comedy material in the eyes of the world.

In regards to iraq war, it started long before the 80s due to certain saddam hussein taking power.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2014, 06:41:37 AM
There was nothing wrong with the intelligence information. But Obama had earlier suppressed the intelligence, so that his allies (Qatar & Saudi Arabia) could continue arming the ISIS in Syria.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Honeypot on August 10, 2014, 06:43:58 AM
There was nothing wrong with the intelligence information. But Obama had earlier suppressed the intelligence, so that his allies (Qatar & Saudi Arabia) could continue arming the ISIS in Syria.

If this is so, that means obama was once again taken for a ride.

He is so gullible he makes g.w bush look like a genius politician. In fact, I would rate our former president much higher compared to the incumbent. At least when he was around people listened, whether they liked or not. Now no one takes obama seriously - a well known fact around the world and even within his own administration.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Tzupy on August 10, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/08/opinion/gingrich-isis-boko-haram-hamas/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: kuroman on August 10, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
isn't this a contradicting news with what was annoucend aka, a long term plan which will include airstrikes, but probably arming the Iraqi army, I feel like that source isn't that reliable tho


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Tzupy on August 10, 2014, 07:21:49 PM
isn't this a contradicting news with what was annoucend aka, a long term plan which will include airstrikes, but probably arming the Iraqi army, I feel like that source isn't that reliable tho

Iraqi army had enough weapons to fight ISIS, but Sunni officers betrayed the Shia government (which oppressed Sunnis) and many of those weapons are now in the hands of ISIS.
The US should urgently give weapons to the kurds, who are bearing the brunt of the ISIS offensive now. However, I doubt Obummer will do this.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: kuroman on August 10, 2014, 07:46:43 PM
isn't this a contradicting news with what was annoucend aka, a long term plan which will include airstrikes, but probably arming the Iraqi army, I feel like that source isn't that reliable tho

Iraqi army had enough weapons to fight ISIS, but Sunni officers betrayed the Shia government (which oppressed Sunnis) and many of those weapons are now in the hands of ISIS.
The US should urgently give weapons to the kurds, who are bearing the brunt of the ISIS offensive now. However, I doubt Obummer will do this.
Yes I'm following the situation in Iraq, and I don't know why the US left such government in place, from the get go they were opressing Sunnis (and Iraq become a good strong hold for Iran) not to mention how they allowed the country to be divided and with Kurds taking a lot of territories in north.

As for the offensive when I look at maps, I see that Isis used the path that separate Kurd control area and Iraqi controlled area to penetrate Iraq from Syria,


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Mobius on August 11, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
There was nothing wrong with the intelligence information. But Obama had earlier suppressed the intelligence, so that his allies (Qatar & Saudi Arabia) could continue arming the ISIS in Syria.
I don't think either of those countries were arming the ISIS. They both have a vested interest in peace in the middle east as if there is war in that area then it could spread to their countries. Both countries have a very weak military and could be overrun by the US or most of any one European country.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Rooothlespredators on August 11, 2014, 02:09:35 AM
Saudi Arabia has quite an impressive and powerful military iirc.
to the guy below who asks why the US left the government it did. Bush had no balls and got suckered by whathisname the current dude in power, even when it started to show that the guy would attack the Sunnis he just let it happen and then Obama got elected on the promise that he leave Iraq and put less focus on the middle east and hasn't given a shit, well maybe he's given two shits about the middle east when theres domestic stuff to focus on.


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: Gimpeline on August 11, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
Ask others to start another crusade, I hear Ethiopa has a lot of Christians. America should sit this one out.

They dont have oil so its not worth it


Title: Re: White House won’t commit on stopping potential ‘genocide’ in Iraq
Post by: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 10:14:45 AM
There was nothing wrong with the intelligence information. But Obama had earlier suppressed the intelligence, so that his allies (Qatar & Saudi Arabia) could continue arming the ISIS in Syria.
I don't think either of those countries were arming the ISIS. They both have a vested interest in peace in the middle east as if there is war in that area then it could spread to their countries. Both countries have a very weak military and could be overrun by the US or most of any one European country.
Actually they weren't arming ISIS as it is, The west + those states were arming/training/financing separatist groups in Syria, but the problems started to arise the conflict started to be long in time, and a fracture in supporting those groups after the events happening in Libya made things worst and make room for extremism and groups like Alqaeda in, with Bachar holding ground things degenerated and the devision in Iraq makes things easier especially with how Sunnis were threated there in recent years