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Title: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: spazzdla on August 12, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/08/12/if-ebola-arrives-in-america-some-controversial-tools-could-be-used-to-stop-it/

Think this will be used to instant martial law?  IMO in a few small areas to get americans ready for all out martial law when we start our moronic war with the BRICs.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 12, 2014, 05:32:17 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Spendulus on August 12, 2014, 05:34:07 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.
Might be handy around the time of elections, November 2014.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: spazzdla on August 12, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

Look.. the average person believes what ever the fancy colour TV tells them..
I believe right now if Obama went on TV and said Martial Law was needed to stop the bees from dying over 50% of people would be for it.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: pungopete468 on August 12, 2014, 06:04:02 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

Look.. the average person believes what ever the fancy colour TV tells them..
I believe right now if Obama went on TV and said Martial Law was needed to stop the bees from dying over 50% of people would be for it.

This is so sad but true. It would be at least a full 7 days before an appreciable voice of discontent was heard...


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Snail2 on August 12, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

This bodily fluids stuff is an interesting one. I think if on the tube someone sneezing at me I can get some bodily fluids... Or saliva doesn't count ?


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Balthazar on August 12, 2014, 07:44:53 PM
Asymptomatic carriers (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1906073/) and people within incubation period are able to infect other people through blood transfusion or sexual intercourse, because their blood and seminal fluid have high concentration of virus particles.



Saliva or perspiration doesn't contain enough concentration of virus particles... Unless it's contaminated with blood, it will contain something closer to 1 virus per 2 litres of saliva. And don't forget that saliva and perspiration contain antibodies which are able to neutralize virus particles. ::) That's the reason why asymptomatic carriers and other infected people without symptoms are relatively safe.

But if they develop the symptoms then saliva and perspiration will always have at least some traces of blood due to hemorregic nature of the desease.



Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Tzupy on August 12, 2014, 08:57:08 PM
Saliva appears to inactivate the virus, it's PCR positive but culture negative, possibly due to enzymes.
Breast milk is the most dangerous, also semen and tears. Perspiration itself is negative, but it could be contaminated with blood.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 13, 2014, 07:16:51 AM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

This bodily fluids stuff is an interesting one. I think if on the tube someone sneezing at me I can get some bodily fluids... Or saliva doesn't count ?

Unfortunately, that is the case. If an infected person sneezes close to you, then there is a good chance that you will get infected. That is because as the disease progresses to the advanced stages, blood gets mixed with mucus, which makes even sneezing highly contagious.

During the Ebola outbreak of 2001 in Uganda, the most senior doctor there, Dr. Matthew Lukwiya got infected an later died of the disease after a patient named Simon Ajok sneezed close to him.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: jaberwock on August 13, 2014, 07:32:54 AM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.


Maybe if we see a lab made natural modification of the Ebola that spreads by the air.

I remember in the X-files an airbone disease would be used to justify martial law before the alien invasion


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Predictbtc on August 13, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Read this:
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/ok-to-use-untested-ebola-drugs-in-outbreak-who/article6311500.ece


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 13, 2014, 03:58:11 PM
Maybe if we see a lab made natural modification of the Ebola that spreads by the air.

I don't think Ebola can be mutated enough to make it spread through the air. You can't just mutate viruses like that. Can the HIV virus can be modified to make it spread through air? No. Same with the Ebola virus.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: pungopete468 on August 13, 2014, 10:55:21 PM
Maybe if we see a lab made natural modification of the Ebola that spreads by the air.

I don't think Ebola can be mutated enough to make it spread through the air. You can't just mutate viruses like that. Can the HIV virus can be modified to make it spread through air? No. Same with the Ebola virus.

You could hypothetically use genetic engineering to make a hybrid clone between two different viruses which would have similar traits to both parent viruses... But why would anyone want to do that?


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: coinits on August 13, 2014, 10:59:21 PM
http://healthmap.org/en/ is predicting an ebola outbreak in the USA within 10 days. It predicted the outbreak in Africa 9 days prior so it works. Confirmed cases in NYC. It is loose and it is aerosol.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: coinits on August 13, 2014, 11:00:30 PM
Maybe if we see a lab made natural modification of the Ebola that spreads by the air.

I don't think Ebola can be mutated enough to make it spread through the air. You can't just mutate viruses like that. Can the HIV virus can be modified to make it spread through air? No. Same with the Ebola virus.

You could hypothetically use genetic engineering to make a hybrid clone between two different viruses which would have similar traits to both parent viruses... But why would anyone want to do that?

Ever hear of the Georgia Guidestones? These globalist power tripping fascists want the world population reduced to 500K. That is a fact.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 14, 2014, 05:33:25 AM
You could hypothetically use genetic engineering to make a hybrid clone between two different viruses which would have similar traits to both parent viruses... But why would anyone want to do that?

A hybrid between two viruses? That is not possible, IMO. Or our science is not that advanced. Can you give me any example of an incident in which two different viruses were hybridized?


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: kuroman on August 14, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

But keep in mind that the areas where it's preading right now are very hot and very humid, hence a lot of body liquid being produced by the people there and can be easily transfered and you have to add to this the customs and believes in some areas and the lack of education makes things worse. (example, people freeing quaranted member of familly and takinbg

I believe that if the rate on which this disease is spreading in a certain area exceeds a certain rate and not declining, I believe it is necessary to trigger martial law, Ebola right now is no joke


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: kuusj98 on August 14, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
Ebola is not an airborne disease. It is spread only through body fluids. So that makes Ebola less contagious than the other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis and Influenza. Therefore, I don't think sufficient justification exists for declaring the martial law.

But keep in mind that the areas where it's preading right now are very hot and very humid, hence a lot of body liquid being produced by the people there and can be easily transfered and you have to add to this the customs and believes in some areas and the lack of education makes things worse. (example, people freeing quaranted member of familly and takinbg

I believe that if the rate on which this disease is spreading in a certain area exceeds a certain rate and not declining, I believe it is necessary to trigger martial law, Ebola right now is no joke
Why are they not mass producing the expirimental cure? We are letting it spin out of control!


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: kuroman on August 14, 2014, 04:20:45 PM
Why are they not mass producing the expirimental cure? We are letting it spin out of control!

You can't mass produce an experimental cure, and even after years and once it is confirmed not to be working properly with no side effect or least without any dangerous ones, it will take time, to put in place the industrial process to mass produce it especially if it's a complex medicine which is likely the case due to the fact that to this day and age we don't have any real medicine to counter it

Obviously they are other factors I didn't mentions, such Patents, Pharmaceutical income, international medical laws, ect ect


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 14, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
I believe that if the rate on which this disease is spreading in a certain area exceeds a certain rate and not declining, I believe it is necessary to trigger martial law, Ebola right now is no joke

I don't know... the epidemic shows no sign of slowing down... and the affected countries have declared cordon sanitaire in many of the affected villages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/science/using-a-tactic-unseen-in-a-century-countries-cordon-off-ebola-racked-areas.html?_r=0

It send chills up my spine, just when I think what would have happened if I had been a resident in any of those villages.

If the infection spreads to the US, will they declare cordon sanitaire?

Reminds me of a Hollywood movie, which I saw recently (The Crazies?). 


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Daniel91 on August 14, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
I believe that if the rate on which this disease is spreading in a certain area exceeds a certain rate and not declining, I believe it is necessary to trigger martial law, Ebola right now is no joke

I don't know... the epidemic shows no sign of slowing down... and the affected countries have declared cordon sanitaire in many of the affected villages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/science/using-a-tactic-unseen-in-a-century-countries-cordon-off-ebola-racked-areas.html?_r=0

It send chills up my spine, just when I think what would have happened if I had been a resident in any of those villages.

If the infection spreads to the US, will they declare cordon sanitaire?

Reminds me of a Hollywood movie, which I saw recently (The Crazies?). 

Yes, I agree with you.
This Ebola situation is every day more and more dangerous.
We are lucky that this problem is still limited only for Africa but question is for how long?
Still, from cordon sanitaire to the martial law is long way and surely medical help in developed, western world, is on much higher level and they can do much more to stop Ebola than doctors in Africa, with their very limited resources.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: jcoin200 on August 14, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
I believe that if the rate on which this disease is spreading in a certain area exceeds a certain rate and not declining, I believe it is necessary to trigger martial law, Ebola right now is no joke

I don't know... the epidemic shows no sign of slowing down... and the affected countries have declared cordon sanitaire in many of the affected villages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/science/using-a-tactic-unseen-in-a-century-countries-cordon-off-ebola-racked-areas.html?_r=0

It send chills up my spine, just when I think what would have happened if I had been a resident in any of those villages.

If the infection spreads to the US, will they declare cordon sanitaire?

Reminds me of a Hollywood movie, which I saw recently (The Crazies?). 

Yes, I agree with you.
This Ebola situation is every day more and more dangerous.
We are lucky that this problem is still limited only for Africa but question is for how long?
Still, from cordon sanitaire to the martial law is long way and surely medical help in developed, western world, is on much higher level and they can do much more to stop Ebola than doctors in Africa, with their very limited resources.


They cannot even contain the people there who are fleeing.  The scary thing is, symptoms may not be visible for 21 days! Thats more than enough time for a person to travel to literally ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD without knowing they are infected.  That is scary!


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 15, 2014, 05:56:09 AM
They cannot even contain the people there who are fleeing.  The scary thing is, symptoms may not be visible for 21 days! Thats more than enough time for a person to travel to literally ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD without knowing they are infected.  That is scary!

Right now, the disease is mostly contained in some of the villages of Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone (although it is spreading rapidly). The urban population is not that affected. Once the urban population gets hit, then I am afraid that we'll have to ban all international travel from these nations.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Fray on August 15, 2014, 06:17:17 AM
They cannot even contain the people there who are fleeing.  The scary thing is, symptoms may not be visible for 21 days! Thats more than enough time for a person to travel to literally ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD without knowing they are infected.  That is scary!

Right now, the disease is mostly contained in some of the villages of Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone (although it is spreading rapidly). The urban population is not that affected. Once the urban population gets hit, then I am afraid that we'll have to ban all international travel from these nations.
The US has experimental drugs that treat ebola that have not been fully tested/vetted via the clinical trial process. These drugs have shown to work in the limited number of times they have been administered. It would be possible to administer these drugs to more of the population in the event that this were to spread to more populous areas.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Benjig on August 15, 2014, 06:49:58 AM
Ebola virus is not so easy to get it to trigger a martial law, its not like if some guy sits right to you in the train you will get it, as Bryant said, you need to be in contact with fluids, in Africa its a epidemic for the poor healthcare they have.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Daniel91 on August 15, 2014, 10:38:36 AM
Ebola virus is not so easy to get it to trigger a martial law, its not like if some guy sits right to you in the train you will get it, as Bryant said, you need to be in contact with fluids, in Africa its a epidemic for the poor healthcare they have.

Yes, I agree with this.
Not just their poor health care but also their their superstition and distrust of doctors is problem there.
In Western world situation is different so I don't think that this epidemic can spread easily outside of Africa.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 15, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
The US has experimental drugs that treat ebola that have not been fully tested/vetted via the clinical trial process. These drugs have shown to work in the limited number of times they have been administered. It would be possible to administer these drugs to more of the population in the event that this were to spread to more populous areas.

No. You are wrong. There are only two or three experimental drugs for Ebola. And the stocks of all these drugs have already run out. It will take many more months to replenish the stocks now.


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: Fray on August 16, 2014, 04:20:31 AM
The US has experimental drugs that treat ebola that have not been fully tested/vetted via the clinical trial process. These drugs have shown to work in the limited number of times they have been administered. It would be possible to administer these drugs to more of the population in the event that this were to spread to more populous areas.

No. You are wrong. There are only two or three experimental drugs for Ebola. And the stocks of all these drugs have already run out. It will take many more months to replenish the stocks now.
It has taken several months for the outbreak to spread so far. As far as I can tell the growth rate of infections is not accelerating. It is also possible to quarantine people who have contracted the virus.

While the virus is being fought via quarantine, it would be possible to stat producing more of the experimental drugs. 


Title: Re: Ebola the trigger for martial law?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2014, 05:48:06 AM
As far as I can tell the growth rate of infections is not accelerating.

No. It is spreading rapidly and accelerating. As per the latest reports from the WHO, there were a total of 128 new infections in the 48-hour time period staring August 10. The disease seems to be under control in Guinea. But in the two other affected nations (Sierra Leone and Liberia) nothing seems to be working against the epidemic.