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Title: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: Bizmark13 on August 16, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Is it a good idea to use dice sites and exchanges to mix coins? I know there are legit bitcoin mixers out there but shouldn't depositing bitcoins in a dice site or an exchange and withdrawing them minutes later accomplish the same thing? I know that the bitcoins you get back from an exchange are not the same as the ones you put in, and I also know that exchanges pool their users' funds and keep both hot and cold wallets.

I'm not too worried about the exchange or dice site keeping records since I'm not doing anything illegal. But I would like to start off with a fresh address to receive payments that isn't connected to my previous transaction history and online persona.

It would be easy to check to see if the mixing worked by looking at the taint analysis on Blockchain.info.

Only reason I'm asking is because I've used dice sites and exchanges before and would rather stick with what is familiar. Also, I highly doubt a reputable exchange like Cryptsy or Poloniex or a dice site like Primedice would run away with users' funds.


Title: Re: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: bitsmichel on August 16, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
Is it a good idea to use dice sites and exchanges to mix coins? I know there are legit bitcoin mixers out there but shouldn't depositing bitcoins in a dice site or an exchange and withdrawing them minutes later accomplish the same thing? I know that the bitcoins you get back from an exchange are not the same as the ones you put in, and I also know that exchanges pool their users' funds and keep both hot and cold wallets.
I think it's a good idea but keep in mind your browser has a unique fingerprint based on ip-address, resolution, cookies etc..
In many cases there is also tracking spyware in websites, like Google Analytics, which may have a good software but for anonymity of the users it's not so good, so you have to block all trackers. If you can have the most common fingerprint and a unique ip then you can use it to mix.


Title: Re: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: Light on August 16, 2014, 10:35:53 AM
Is it a good idea to use dice sites and exchanges to mix coins? I know there are legit bitcoin mixers out there but shouldn't depositing bitcoins in a dice site or an exchange and withdrawing them minutes later accomplish the same thing? I know that the bitcoins you get back from an exchange are not the same as the ones you put in, and I also know that exchanges pool their users' funds and keep both hot and cold wallets.

I'm not too worried about the exchange or dice site keeping records since I'm not doing anything illegal. But I would like to start off with a fresh address to receive payments that isn't connected to my previous transaction history and online persona.

It would be easy to check to see if the mixing worked by looking at the taint analysis on Blockchain.info.

Only reason I'm asking is because I've used dice sites and exchanges before and would rather stick with what is familiar. Also, I highly doubt a reputable exchange like Cryptsy or Poloniex or a dice site like Primedice would run away with users' funds.

I've often considered the exact same thing. From what I've thought about - you should be perfectly fine, the only scenarios where you might not use them would be in the case where you're moving a large sum of BTC which exchanges might question you about before they release the funds.

But if you're dealing with a reputable dice site/exchange you should be able to get your funds to an address that is completely unrelated (from the blockchain's perspective). Basically, no one will know except the dice/exchange operator.


Title: Re: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: cryptasm on August 16, 2014, 10:53:34 AM
Yeah I quite often use exchanges to mix my btc, even got to the point where I'll send coin between different exchanges and then onto bitcoinfog etc

As bitsmichel said, you'll need to take lots of security precautions to remain completely anonymous.


Title: Re: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: Zebra on August 16, 2014, 11:16:51 AM
Is it a good idea to use dice sites and exchanges to mix coins? I know there are legit bitcoin mixers out there but shouldn't depositing bitcoins in a dice site or an exchange and withdrawing them minutes later accomplish the same thing? I know that the bitcoins you get back from an exchange are not the same as the ones you put in, and I also know that exchanges pool their users' funds and keep both hot and cold wallets.

I'm not too worried about the exchange or dice site keeping records since I'm not doing anything illegal. But I would like to start off with a fresh address to receive payments that isn't connected to my previous transaction history and online persona.

It would be easy to check to see if the mixing worked by looking at the taint analysis on Blockchain.info.

Only reason I'm asking is because I've used dice sites and exchanges before and would rather stick with what is familiar. Also, I highly doubt a reputable exchange like Cryptsy or Poloniex or a dice site like Primedice would run away with users' funds.

It should work, and I think it is less risky to use a big casino or exchange than to use a mixer.
If you are not doing some illegal, the only persons that can link your "pre-mixed" addresses and "post-mixed" addresses are the casinos/exchanges you used and I don't think they will publish that kind of data.


Title: Re: Using dice sites, exchanges, etc. to mix coins?
Post by: CozyLife on August 16, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
Try it and see what happens. If you can't trace it through the blockchain and you know how to trace transactions, then you should be good to go.