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Title: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Rigon on August 16, 2014, 01:12:47 PM Quote WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration is grappling with how to bridge the gap between its increasingly dire assessment of the threat posed by the Islamic State group and the limited, defensive air campaign it has so far undertaken, which military officials acknowledge will not blunt the group's momentum. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-weighs-strategy-against-islamic-state-070946778--politics.htmlFor months, administration officials have been divided about the threat posed by the Islamic State as it seized parts of Syria and advanced on towns in Iraq. Now, amid new intelligence about its growing strength, a consensus is forming that the group presents an unacceptable terrorism risk to the United States and its allies. At issue is whether President Barack Obama, elected on a platform of ending the Iraq war, will heed calls for a campaign to contain or destroy the Islamic State, an undertaking that could dominate U.S. foreign policy for the remainder of his term. Proponents of doing so argue that the Islamic State must be stopped because it will destabilize America's allies in the region and eventually export terror to Europe and the U.S. Critics of the idea are urging the president just as strongly not to get sucked into another Middle East war, arguing that years of American micromanagement in that region have ended in tears. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a security forum in Aspen, Colorado, last month that the military is "preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat (the Islamic State group) over time." Administration officials say the White House has been deeply divided at least since the start of 2014 over how much the Islamic State threatens Americans. In January, when the militants overran the western Iraqi city of Fallujah, U.S. officials weighed whether to intervene. Since then, the number of Islamic State militants swelled from a few thousand to an estimated 15,000 die-hard members, according to two senior intelligence officials. Many of the extremists are battle-hardened former members of Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard. The Islamic State, which has been disavowed by al-Qaida in a dispute over strategy, wants to strike a terrorist blow at the U.S. to assert its primacy in the jihadist movement, said Derek Harvey, a former Defense Intelligence Agency official who advises U.S. Central Command. "They have been planning do to this for some time," he said. "We just don't know when." American politicians and intelligence experts have publically said that Isis or "Islamic state" as they are also known as....is the most violent and dangerous organization they have ever seen. They behead men, women and children that fall into their hands, kill prisoners in mass shootings and bury people alive. They have threaten thousands of people that if they don't convert to their extreme form of Islam they will be killed. They are a threat to the region for sure but are they a threat to America? They have claimed that they will attack the American homeland and are already plotting jihad against us. The question is are they just blowing steam or can they pull off a serious attack such as al-Qaeda pulled off on 9/11? Should we crush them in Syria and Iraq before they are strong enough to attack us? Should we just wait and continue to bomb them and see what develops? Should we try and put an international coalition together to go in there and wipe them out? Can they be wiped out? Do we really want to put boots on the ground there again? What do you think we should do and why? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Daniel91 on August 16, 2014, 01:20:15 PM I think that for USA the best strategy is to stop ISIS right now, in Iraq and Syria by empowering Kurds and local Iraq army with guns and everything they need to successfully fight with ISIS.
I really doubt that ISIS can come to USA, at least not as whole group or army. Maybe they will succeed to brainwash some local Muslim in America for their goals but I don't think that a lot damage can come from such individuals (surely FBI already following such radical Muslims in the USA). Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: chopstick on August 16, 2014, 01:25:57 PM 'Murica created and funded ISIS in their desperate attempt to topple Bashar Al-assad from power.
They are not a threat to the homeland, really, as our army would crush them. Best they can hope for is a few half assed terrorist attacks, which thanks to all our NSA spying and patriot act laws should be totally preventable right?? LOL! Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: sana8410 on August 16, 2014, 01:50:06 PM Well so far ISIS are a military/religious faction of extremists in a part of the world where that seems more the norm than the exception.
That they pose a threat directly to the United States is exactly the threat any proposed terrorist poses and we have, since the Bush failure of 9/11, done a pretty good job at stopping the terrorists. I would suggest they do not like us and will, like all Muslim extremists, try to harm us...with exactly the same effectiveness, no more no less. As for their actions in the ME I think we offer humanitarian aid where possible, protect Americans and see if our allies care to step up. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 02:09:27 PM As one general pointed out, the prevailing view that these terrorists are incapable of striking America is based on the mistaken assumption of inferiority attached to Middle Eastern Muslims. We've had members here scoffing at the notion that they could strike here in the US, calling it 'paranoia', because they too think this collection of desert dwellers is inherently inferior.
But they are actually limited only by the quality of weaponry they can buy, and with an Islamic state rich in oil, they are no longer limited. With billions in oil dollars at their disposal, and with none being spent on social needs, they can afford to buy just about any weapon they want from cash-strapped countries willing to sell. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: shawshankinmate37927 on August 16, 2014, 02:11:37 PM ISIS is not a threat to the US because Americans are armed to the teeth. They might be able to pull off some terrorist attacks, but they wouldn't stand a chance of invading and establishing Islamic law here. If the average Iraqi had access to firearms and ammunition like we do in the USA, then ISIS wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2014, 02:31:12 PM To tell the truth, ISIS poses no threat at all to the US. However, the Americans have reasons to worry about the ISIS, as it is threatening some of their best allies such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Also, the American soldiers stationed overseas can be targeted by the ISIS.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: umair127 on August 16, 2014, 06:50:16 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 06:54:57 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other. Defending Israel is one of the main reasons for attacking us. That and the fact that the US is mainly Christian is all it takes for Islam to hate America.Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: umair127 on August 16, 2014, 07:00:44 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other. Defending Israel is one of the main reasons for attacking us. That and the fact that the US is mainly Christian is all it takes for Islam to hate America.We could help them defend the Golan Heights, and let the Israelis use their air power. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 07:04:38 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other. Defending Israel is one of the main reasons for attacking us. That and the fact that the US is mainly Christian is all it takes for Islam to hate America.We could help them defend the Golan Heights, and let the Israelis use their air power. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 07:06:43 PM But you are mostly right, America should mind its own business but is should not help Zionists in their slow-motion genocide of palestinians.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: beetcoin on August 16, 2014, 07:07:20 PM the issue is that we go into the middle east/north africa, exploit all their natural resources, and then end up making young kids orphans. that leads to a quest for vengeance and extremism. expecting our government not to meddle in the middle east is just futile - it's going to happen because rich people want to get richer. all i want is to stop leaving kids as orphans so the extremists can use it as a recruitment tool.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2014, 07:09:17 PM But you are mostly right, America should mind its own business but is should not help Zionists in their slow-motion genocide of palestinians. The US can't run away from this. They toppled Saddam Hussain and created room for the Islamists. Also, they helped to create the ISIS in Syria, which like a cancer spread further to Iraq. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: sana8410 on August 16, 2014, 07:13:23 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other. Defending Israel is one of the main reasons for attacking us. That and the fact that the US is mainly Christian is all it takes for Islam to hate America.We could help them defend the Golan Heights, and let the Israelis use their air power. I mean seriously dude, what weapons do you fear from ISIS on American soil that would be different from any other asshole terrorist? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Litejavichu on August 16, 2014, 07:14:53 PM But you are mostly right, America should mind its own business but is should not help Zionists in their slow-motion genocide of palestinians. The US can't run away from this. They toppled Saddam Hussain and created room for the Islamists. Also, they helped to create the ISIS in Syria, which like a cancer spread further to Iraq. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Litejavichu on August 16, 2014, 07:19:18 PM The best thing to have done was to never have gotten involved with the Middle East at all. Except for defending Israel on Israel's soil, we should have stayed out of any mid east country. They are nomads, barbaric, and have always fought one another. Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, tribe against tribe. Keep them out of Israel and ignore everything else. With no interference, they will continue to kill each other. Without a common enemy, they will never stick together. But with a common enemy, they will fight the enemy. Leave them alone and they will turn on each other. Defending Israel is one of the main reasons for attacking us. That and the fact that the US is mainly Christian is all it takes for Islam to hate America.We could help them defend the Golan Heights, and let the Israelis use their air power. I mean seriously dude, what weapons do you fear from ISIS on American soil that would be different from any other asshole terrorist? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 07:20:08 PM Other than it gaining control of a large swathe of the middle east and with it, a very large supply of oil, ISIS isn't much of a danger.
Of course this situation provides a wonderful opportunity for the MIC to ratchet up the fear card and thus push the US into fighting yet more endless wars which could well present a danger to America. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 16, 2014, 07:22:49 PM As I have said, America's economy relies on its being in a state of perpetual war and finding people to be at war with is what the MIC do.The biggest danger to America comes from those who keep pushing it to endless war.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: TheGer on August 16, 2014, 10:11:24 PM Dude ISIS is just another Al Qaeda front group, and Al Qaeda is run by the West as controlled opposition to maintain fear and keep the agenda going in the Middle East and around the world. This is the worst kept secret in the War on Terror. You need to dig a little deeper than CNN man.
Same Boogyman was used to take over Afghanistan, Libya, United States(Patriot Act, National defense Authorization Act, Homeland Security, TSA), and now to get Iraq back under control because they don't like the way the wind if blowing there. Quote WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration is grappling with how to bridge the gap between its increasingly dire assessment of the threat posed by the Islamic State group and the limited, defensive air campaign it has so far undertaken, which military officials acknowledge will not blunt the group's momentum. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-weighs-strategy-against-islamic-state-070946778--politics.htmlFor months, administration officials have been divided about the threat posed by the Islamic State as it seized parts of Syria and advanced on towns in Iraq. Now, amid new intelligence about its growing strength, a consensus is forming that the group presents an unacceptable terrorism risk to the United States and its allies. At issue is whether President Barack Obama, elected on a platform of ending the Iraq war, will heed calls for a campaign to contain or destroy the Islamic State, an undertaking that could dominate U.S. foreign policy for the remainder of his term. Proponents of doing so argue that the Islamic State must be stopped because it will destabilize America's allies in the region and eventually export terror to Europe and the U.S. Critics of the idea are urging the president just as strongly not to get sucked into another Middle East war, arguing that years of American micromanagement in that region have ended in tears. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a security forum in Aspen, Colorado, last month that the military is "preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat (the Islamic State group) over time." Administration officials say the White House has been deeply divided at least since the start of 2014 over how much the Islamic State threatens Americans. In January, when the militants overran the western Iraqi city of Fallujah, U.S. officials weighed whether to intervene. Since then, the number of Islamic State militants swelled from a few thousand to an estimated 15,000 die-hard members, according to two senior intelligence officials. Many of the extremists are battle-hardened former members of Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard. The Islamic State, which has been disavowed by al-Qaida in a dispute over strategy, wants to strike a terrorist blow at the U.S. to assert its primacy in the jihadist movement, said Derek Harvey, a former Defense Intelligence Agency official who advises U.S. Central Command. "They have been planning do to this for some time," he said. "We just don't know when." American politicians and intelligence experts have publically said that Isis or "Islamic state" as they are also known as....is the most violent and dangerous organization they have ever seen. They behead men, women and children that fall into their hands, kill prisoners in mass shootings and bury people alive. They have threaten thousands of people that if they don't convert to their extreme form of Islam they will be killed. They are a threat to the region for sure but are they a threat to America? They have claimed that they will attack the American homeland and are already plotting jihad against us. The question is are they just blowing steam or can they pull off a serious attack such as al-Qaeda pulled off on 9/11? Should we crush them in Syria and Iraq before they are strong enough to attack us? Should we just wait and continue to bomb them and see what develops? Should we try and put an international coalition together to go in there and wipe them out? Can they be wiped out? Do we really want to put boots on the ground there again? What do you think we should do and why? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: cryptasm on August 17, 2014, 11:56:21 AM ISIS is no threat to the US whatsoever, they have no airforce, navy or long range ballisitic missiles.
Best if we send in UN peace keepers, last thing the people need there is Iraq war III. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Daniel91 on August 17, 2014, 01:07:05 PM ISIS is no threat to the US whatsoever, they have no airforce, navy or long range ballisitic missiles. Best if we send in UN peace keepers, last thing the people need there is Iraq war III. I don't think so. They don't have airforce, navy or long range ballistic missiles, it's true but neither Al Qaeda had this, and still they could attack America very successfully on September 11, 2001. So, even if just small group of this dangerous terrorist organization will be able to enter USA, (maybe even USA citizens of Muslim faith) we will have real security problem there. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: kuroman on August 17, 2014, 01:32:49 PM Is ISIS dangerous to the US, if left alone yes it is and without a doubt. From an alternative perspective I'm starting to think that the reason why media and politics doesn't mention the murder of Muslims in Iraq by ISIS and arming Iraqi kurds instead of iraqi army is a communication stunt to avoid turn the fignt into a sect one, with over growing tension between Shiit and Sunnit because of Al Maliki bias....ect. Either that or there is a real problem bias problem in media and political scene
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zen2 on August 17, 2014, 03:30:24 PM i think isis is USA ...USA want war :-[
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: ajareselde on August 17, 2014, 05:30:25 PM i think isis is USA ...USA want war :-[ Doesnt surprise me, judging by the fact they invest insane portion of their wealth in military. But acting like a world police will come to an end eventualy, and ill laugh hard when it happens. They allways fight some remote wars, not fighting directly, and it has to come to an end eventualy. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zedicus on August 17, 2014, 05:51:35 PM i think isis is USA ...USA want war :-[ This could not be farther from the truth. President Obama is almost afraid to use the US military and has not used it once despite numerous situations needing it. The ISIS is a terrorism group that has been killing people for their religious beliefs. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: counter on August 17, 2014, 05:54:44 PM i think isis is USA ...USA want war :-[ ISIS is a threat because the Government will use them as an excuse to take away more Americans citizens rights. More potential for tax dollars to be wasted on bullets and bombs so the banks can make more profit. As long as where worried about terrorists where not worried about lack of transparency in the government, or atleast that is the case for the general public. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: MajidBC on August 17, 2014, 06:44:03 PM i think isis is USA ...USA want war :-[ This could not be farther from the truth. President Obama is almost afraid to use the US military and has not used it once despite numerous situations needing it. The ISIS is a terrorism group that has been killing people for their religious beliefs. Can I ask what those "religious beliefs" are? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: MajidBC on August 17, 2014, 06:54:02 PM ... More potential for tax dollars to be wasted on bullets and bombs ... Producers need buyers to profit (or at least to survive). A world without war is a nightmare for weapon manufacturers. Governments earn good money through weapon companies taxes. I stated my opinion in general, not specific about this war. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: johny08 on August 17, 2014, 10:22:12 PM when IS is the answer for the long missing islamic reconnaissance, then it should be forced to get big. I guess its not and they have to wait another century. I wish them a good reform.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: RodeoX on August 17, 2014, 10:28:19 PM For those interested in actual knowledge and facts about IS, VICE news has a great five part documentary about them.
https://news.vice.com/topic/islamic-state Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: kuroman on August 18, 2014, 12:00:03 AM ISIS is not a threat to the US because Americans are armed to the teeth. They might be able to pull off some terrorist attacks, but they wouldn't stand a chance of invading and establishing Islamic law here. If the average Iraqi had access to firearms and ammunition like we do in the USA, then ISIS wouldn't be an issue. 9/11 ..........It's not about symetric war here, ISIS know well that they stand no chance on frontal a war, but more of a Taliban tactic Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: H22o on August 18, 2014, 12:30:48 AM ISIS is not a threat to the US because Americans are armed to the teeth. They might be able to pull off some terrorist attacks, but they wouldn't stand a chance of invading and establishing Islamic law here. If the average Iraqi had access to firearms and ammunition like we do in the USA, then ISIS wouldn't be an issue. 9/11 ..........It's not about symetric war here, ISIS know well that they stand no chance on frontal a war, but more of a Taliban tactic Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Btcvilla on August 18, 2014, 12:35:23 AM They are not much of a threat to the U.S, mabey a few small scale terroist attacks, but nothing much to do huge damage (worse then 9/11).
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: cryptasm on August 18, 2014, 09:33:01 AM ISIS is no threat to the US whatsoever, they have no airforce, navy or long range ballisitic missiles. Best if we send in UN peace keepers, last thing the people need there is Iraq war III. I don't think so. They don't have airforce, navy or long range ballistic missiles, it's true but neither Al Qaeda had this, and still they could attack America very successfully on September 11, 2001. So, even if just small group of this dangerous terrorist organization will be able to enter USA, (maybe even USA citizens of Muslim faith) we will have real security problem there. Yeah it's impossible to completely safe from a terrorist attack, at the moment the US is making itself more of a target by invading countries and drone striking innocent people etc. In my opinion they should send in some some SAS/Navy Seals to assasinate the ISIS leaders instead of a long protracted war. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Snail2 on August 18, 2014, 10:16:52 AM They are not much of a threat to the U.S, mabey a few small scale terroist attacks, but nothing much to do huge damage (worse then 9/11). Are you sure? If they can recruit a couple of hardliners in the US and a couple of others with brains, they can cause quite a big damage. Just kill a couple of blacks and spray white supremacist signs around, and then do the same to whites with black panther or similar signs. Then start campaigning on the social medias calling for revenge. What do you think, what would happen? Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: noviapriani on August 18, 2014, 01:44:01 PM It is going to be a long and painful war against these savages. We need to kill as many of them as we can while we are engaged in the ME. There are several million Muslims already living in the USA and if they all go radical at once there will be hell to pay.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: zolace on August 18, 2014, 01:53:41 PM It is going to be a long and painful war against these savages. We need to kill as many of them as we can while we are engaged in the ME. There are several million Muslims already living in the USA and if they all go radical at once there will be hell to pay. if we are going to fight the mid-east, annihilate them all. Never mind a little fighting here and a little fighting there. Go in and conquer the whole area at once. Then divide it up as we or Nato sees fit.Nor is it Muslims per se who live in the US who are the problem. If they are citizens and if they are from anywhere except the mid-east, they are probably our allies. It isn't the Islamic religion that's the problem, it's the middle east that's the problem. Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Jybrael on August 18, 2014, 01:57:38 PM Oh god this is getting very interesting...first of all...let me point out not everyone is a savage..so if you think the muslims are savages what makes you think they don't think the same way about you guys? First of all..my mom is christian but my dad is muslim..they never had any arguments about religion. Secondly...if you are thinking of calling them nomads / barbarians I would recommend that you please go brush up on your history...those very same barbarians were the ones that gave you about 60% of the scientific equipments that you use now a days to reach the stage where you have gotten. There will always be fanatics in every single religion. The actions of a few deranged minds should never be used to condemn an entire race. That is the same thought process as hitler had. He hated the jews and wanted them annihilated for what they had done to his family. As far as ISIS is concerned..it was america's fault for not nipping them in the butt when they had the chance. Now only time can tell whether or not they will become a threat to the US or not at a scale that AL-QAEDA did. They allowed the formation of ISIS by arming them up.
Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: Sunderland on August 18, 2014, 02:42:26 PM this ISIS already become world common enemy now.
so i think USA can easy eliminated them with their CIA operation. ISIS can lived and growth in a war country only, not in a peace country. the questions is ..Why USA and Nato didnt crush them now before too late ? conspiracy theory ? 8) Title: Re: How dangerous is Isis [Islamic State] to America? Post by: noviapriani on August 18, 2014, 06:55:46 PM It is going to be a long and painful war against these savages. We need to kill as many of them as we can while we are engaged in the ME. There are several million Muslims already living in the USA and if they all go radical at once there will be hell to pay. if we are going to fight the mid-east, annihilate them all. Never mind a little fighting here and a little fighting there. Go in and conquer the whole area at once. Then divide it up as we or Nato sees fit.Nor is it Muslims per se who live in the US who are the problem. If they are citizens and if they are from anywhere except the mid-east, they are probably our allies. It isn't the Islamic religion that's the problem, it's the middle east that's the problem. |