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maybe he already spit all the secret and began tired in his adventure now.
or maybe Ecuadorian feel " its not wise to let this matter become their country problems in the future "

there are many ways to take care of vitamin d deficiency, aren't there? quite a weird claim. can't they also send an ecuadorian doctor to him for a visit?

I don't understand why he announces he's about to move. He should have left without a fuss, now there will be people looking for him.

Not really that weird after being stuck in a building for two years. You want to produce the vitamin D naturally.

It also states he may have heart and lung problems. It could just be a reason for him to move locations as well.

He craves for attention. This guy probably wanted to get arrested.

Can't be too healthy being stuck inside for 2 years, not sure what his plan is but I'm fairly sure as soon as he steps outside he'll be arrested.

Always imagined he'd try and do a runner...

Great news, but what happens next?
I'm curious how he is going to make it!

Julian Assange will not leave embassy until assured there will be no US extradition

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/19/julian-assange-will-not-leave-embassy-until-assured-there-will-be-no-us-extradition/

"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will not leave the Ecuador embassy in London until it is guaranteed he will avoid extradition to the United States, his lawyer said Tuesday.

The Australian, who has been holed up in the building for two years, indicated on Monday he would leave the compound “soon” amid reports that he was suffering from a heart condition and other ailments.

His lawyer Jennifer Robinson admitted to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that being cooped up had significantly impacted the 43-year-old’s health, but said it was difficult to put a timeline on when he would leave.

“(He will leave) as soon as conditions can be negotiated that allow Julian to leave the embassy while his political asylum, to protect him from the risk of extradition to the US, is respected,” she said.

“And we haven’t seen that happen yet".”

You don't stay two years without going out, to want to be arrested. I guess he's looking for support, maybe hundreds of people to gather in front of the embassy when he'll go out, with the hope to escape the police in the crowd?

Most people think Assange did the right thing. There would not be a fair trial in Sweden nor the US.
After all, look at what happened to Bradley Manning. Secret courts, secret laws...
Meanwhile the UK police wastes millions of pounds watching an embassy (an utterly useless project) - and of course, there is financial crisis  ::)

Speaking about fair trials.. (there never has been a trial)

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I'll be very interested to see how this pans out. The UK has not spent £6,000,000 in guarding the embassy to simply let him walk away. Source. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/472378/Police-spend-6-MILLION-guarding-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange-at-Ecuador-Embassy) Tax payer money well spent for the brits.

I just hope he gets the trial he deserves but honestly I am not confident.

I doubt he has much choice in regard to which country he can go.

Beside Russia, China and Iran, which country will risk pissing off US and take him in as refugee?

As soon as he steps foot outside that embassy he is gone. It is guarded 24 hours. I very much doubt he'll even get the opportunity to go elsewhere.

Exactly, the UK gov isn't going to spend that much money and then let him walk free to the nearest hospital (I'd imagine the US gov has also got some feds nearby).

Soon as he steps outside he'll be arrested, wondering why he couldn't get treatment inside the embassy.

I didn't even know they spent that much money keeping watch on him but that fact that they have clearly means that they're wanting him for reasons that have nothing to do with the rape allegations, why? They never spend that much time and energy catching actual rapists and murderers in this country, in fact they give them less jailtime than filesharers.

Wherever he goes now, he will cause more taxpayer money to keep him confined. What is the point of even leaving the embassy? He was there for a reason, I think they had him there for government purposes.

Whatever health issues he has ,he is responsible for. He has allegedly leaked important classified information. If he is extradited back to the USA he will be given due process. He has chosen not to have his date in court. Therefore, he has to accept the consequences of his actions which has resulted in his poor health. The USA is not barbaric he would not be shot on the spot. Ask the terrorists that have been incarcerated . No sympathy just a fair trial is all he deserves.

A life of self-imposed imprisonment in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London versus the unknowns of legal battles in Sweden or the US - While an unenviable choice, I can see why Assange has decided to fly the coop. But why advertise the fact? It will only put his adversaries on hyper-alert.

I am sure that he is able to get some level of exercise in the Embassy, he can likely at the very least walk around the building, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it doesn't have some kind of exercising facility. I would not at all be surprised if he is not being negatively affected by the lack of being able to go outside at all. 

You don't pay much attention to what's really going on around the world do you? The reason the UK police supposedly wanted him was because of rape allegations in Sweden, same reason the Swedish police want him and depending on who you listen to it's either a serious crime that women are out to get him for or the Americans made it up to try and get him held in Sweden so they could get more time to extradite him.

Also, the USA not barbaric? You still have the fucking death penalty and even on this board there are still people who seem to think that's okay.

Just adding my 2 mBTC ... didn't those women withdraw their allegations? I seem to recall that it was a ridiculous case of "enquiring about conditional consent" regarding condom usage, and a likely honey-pot. If true, it was surely a scummy thing for Assange to do, it reminds me of a case Judge Judy once threw out where a hooker "found out that she had been raped" after a client's check bounced.

And the Swedish authorities are really not doing their country any favours by making a big show of gender equality and hyping-up a total non-story. How about catching some real rapists so that the Scandinavian crime novelists wouldn't have so many gory facts to base their plots on?

I am not sure about the fact that the women withdrew their allegations, but I do remember that when the allegations were made that they were generally not credible. IIRC most people throughout the world thought the charges were politically based because the person they were against had exposed what the US was doing to civilians in Iraq.

I am also interested why they would make a press announcement
Perhaps he made a plea deal but it is worth watching how this turns out.

Also be it as it may, he may be better off in Russia if he can sneak his way over there.

These allegations were apparently not very credible. I think it is quite the coincidence that he had this allegations against him right as he was able to leak massive amounts of intelligence information that was of interest to the world but made the US look bad.

You don't get out much do you.  Let's try a country like Singapore.  Burma.  Belize.  China.  Russia.  Mexico.

USA looks like a Sandals vacation resort compared to most anywhere else in the world.

One of the ladies in question just so happened to work for a certain CIA backed anti-Castro organization. To me it's pretty obvious that he was setup with a honeypot, a textbook CIA character assasination.

I would not at all be surprised. The timing of the accusations are suspicious at best. This is also not the kind of accusations that people are generally hunted for across the world. 

To my knowledge Julian Assange is still in the embassy
I wonder if that declaration was to throw people off or something but at the least hes making the UK foot the bill for keeping watch on him.
Assange stakeout has cost nearly $12 million

http://rt.com/news/178276-assange-police-cost-embassy/
 Assange has been detained without charge for 1,337 days – and 777 of those days have been spent in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, according to the latest WikiLeaks statement.

Meanwhile, the price tag for guarding Assange hit over seven million British pounds (US$11.8 million) early on Wednesday, according to govwaste.co.uk counter.

Officers have been staking out the embassy around the clock since June 2012, with the cost to the London taxpayers surpassing $15,000 per day.

It was l337 a while ago and 777 in custody
That was a weird for the way the numbers came out.

I would doubt that he made a plea deal. One possibility is that he he announced his pending departure to see how cars leaving the embassy and and planes leaving the country are looked at by the local government. Ecuador is one of the countries that Snowden wanted to exile to but was unable to make it, so it may be a distraction for him to be able to leave.

That may actually be correct, if his group is monitoring the traffic and movements of people who enter and leave the embassy and what they do when they monitor them, then it makes sense to use a good sample size and then determine which method is the most efficient one to escape.

That or Assange builds a tunnel sneaks into the sewage system comes out outside the embassy and then takes a ride safely away from there with no one the wiser.
Sounds like The Great Escape ^_^.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Escape_%28film%29

I would doubt that he would try to escape via tunnel systems as this would not allow him to use the cover of the ecuador government. If he were to be captured while traveling with an official convoy then the ecuador government could say that his arrest would be the same as the government arresting one of their diplomats while he would be more or less on his own if he tried to escape via tunnel systems.

Well I was thinking if he could get away in an Ecuadorian Convoy waiting outside the building then use the tunnel systems to get into a diplomatic limo it would work, the way they would determine the best way to approach it is by monitoring the monitors and their patterns when vehicles come and go to the embassy, simply put if they are monitoring the movements of the embassy but not what is occurring out of it then it makes more sense to do a transfer outside even if near the embassy.

That said if he wants to escape or leave the embassy some time soon he will have to take the risk even if its with a diplomatic convoy of getting arrested, either that or surrender and make a plea deal.
Its a tricky situation though for him since he could just stay in the embassy but how does he get out of it.

Snowden is still in Russia, so clearly he feels that they're less of a threat than the US.  It's not like these people are being paranoid, they have justifiable concerns for their well-being against a government with a clear agenda at hand.  These people are reporting things the world needs to know about and that otherwise wouldn't have seen the light of day.  I would have thought a forum based on cryptography of all things would be more supportive with regards to the importance of how such mass surveillance affects us all.

I am not 100% sure as to how the embassy is setup but if it would be possible for him to get into a car with heavily tinted windows without anyone seeing that he got into the car then he should be able to stay in the car as long as he needs to and would be safer in a diplomatic convoy then on his own in a network of tunnels. It would be much easier to monitor a tunnel system then it would the garage of a foreign embassy.

Good question itsAj if I could get a copy of the embassy's design and building plans I could give you an answer of how that would work in practice, also I would learn how likely it could be executed in reality. But I don't think you can access that info unless you go to the London building planners and ask them for a copy of the drafts yourself in person. (awkward conversation unless you bluff that your a reporter and want to describe his living conditions and the embassy's design for the media before being told its classified to the public but if that works (Just say your the dailymail they do enough of those types of articles ^_^*)

But since you mentioned logistics apparently their is a loading bay for Harrods right outside the embassy, he could load himself onto in a box then someone could drive him out as cargo so I'm sure there are a lot of ways to sneak out of the embassy just as long as he can get past those cops.

The magazine quotes the 42-year-old as saying: “I couldn’t sleep because of the Harrods loading bay and the cops always doing shift changes outside. And the quietest room is the women’s bathroom, the only room that’s easy to sleep in. So I thought I’d try and somehow get hold of it and renovate it. Eventually, somewhat reluctantly, the staff relented. They ripped out the toilet. They’ve been very generous.”

He is sheltering in the embassy building behind Harrods from attempts to extradite him to Sweden to face allegations of sexual offences.
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/who-would-live-in-an-embassy-like-this-julian-assange-invites-the-cameras-into-ecuadors-west-london-premises-8744428.html

His admitting leaving the Ecuadorean Embassy soon could be a ruse and he already has left the embassy. He probably has had a facial make-over looking like an embassy Embassy staffer.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually the case, I think this announcement is too convenient for the UK, he's not a dumbass :P

All he has to do is leave the embassy on a diplomatic helicopter.

And when the helicopter lands?  Can't think of too many places where they wouldn't be able to arrest him as soon as he gets out of the helicopter.  Honestly don't know if it's possible to make it to international waters on a normal fuel tank.  Anyone care to do some research?

Flying over London in a helicopter, if it was legal, isn't a way to go unnoticed.

It's not a matter of being unnoticed. Would the British military try to force down a diplomatic helicopter? Remember the outrage when Austrian authorities grounded a Bolivian diplomatic aircraft on rumors that Snowden was on board?? Maybe they would, but there's a good chance they wouldn't, and that may be his best bet to get away.

As for range on a fuel tank... typical helicopters can get up to about 500 nautical mile range, so that's not an issue.

Julian Assange should return to Sweden to face inquiries about sexual assault.

Interpol still has a Red Notice allert on Julian Assange - arrest on sight and deliver to Swedish authorities.

Julian Assange can fabricate whatever story he likes, but London authorities still wait to arrest him. He must answer questions in Sweden, regardless of whatever charges or extradition attempts remain from the USA.

Man up, Assange! Go to Sweden and talk to the authorities there.

I neither consider him a hero or a villain, but I do feel he should have gone to Sweden and answered to the charges. Ironically, if he had been found guilty, figuring Sweden's relative leniency and good prison conditions, he would probably be out now and in better health.

The problem with this is the timing of the accusations. They were made very shortly after wikileaks released documents and videos relating to the Iraq war that are of public interest but made the US look very bad. The charges are more likely then not politically motivated and not true.

Once in custody, he likely would have been handed over to the US and disappeared in a dark hole somewhere for the rest of his life, after a secret trial with secret laws and no recourse.

Why not advertise the fact, it's better to let the world know his intentions so he isn't disappeared on some secret dark site for "interrogation" no?  People have their differences of opinion with these whistle blowers and while the discussion is up in the air I think it's a good time to test the waters.  There has been many scandals sense the leaks from Assange.  He made his info known and people have had time to digest it so why live in hiding forever, or sneak out like he's trying to hide something?

There will be no due process. There will be military detention. There will be solitary confinement. There may be torture. The treatment he will receive in the US, taking into consideration his already poor conditions of health, will be worse than being shot on the spot. A fair trial is exactly what he deserves. He desires assurance of no extradition because he knows he will not be granted one.

EDIT:

Bradley Manning was forced to undergo sex-change surgery against his will once he was returned to the US. Who knows what will happen to Snowden once he is captured by the United States? Forcible castration? We have to remember that the FBI / CIA is the world leader in inventing more and more innovative methods of torture and humiliation.

??? Manning threatened to sue the Army for not paying for hormone therapy after declaring he wanted to be a woman.

Yea, this is not what happened. He is gay and wanted to undergo the sex change. See the below quote from kluge