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Bitcoin => Legal => Topic started by: trevorh on August 20, 2014, 07:45:26 PM



Title: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: trevorh on August 20, 2014, 07:45:26 PM
I have a bitcoin-related app for Android in the Amazon app store (see my signature below). I just tried to submit an update, and they rejected it, saying they need legal proof that I have the right to use the word Bitcoin. Has someone trademarked it or something? I'm in the United States, if that matters.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: runam0k on August 21, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
Mt Gox owns the trademark, but they said you are free to use it.

Here you go: http://web.archive.org/web/20130523004202/https://mtgox.com/press_release_20111014.html

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We would like to use this opportunity to formally announce that all trademarks related to the term “Bitcoin” filed for and obtained by Tibanne K.K will be made freely available to anyone to use for whatever purpose whatsoever, whether that be for non-profit or commercial endeavours.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: trevorh on August 21, 2014, 04:31:29 PM
Thanks for that! I have sent it to Amazon along with a link to the word in the Oxford dictionary. I'll let you know what happens.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: PenAndPaper on August 21, 2014, 04:51:09 PM
Bitcoin is trademarked?! What is this a fun fact?


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: bitllionaire on August 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PM
Bitcoin is trademarked?! What is this a fun fact?
Wow it is actually surprising I didn't know it either
so if someone has bought it for commercial purposes,couldn't we use it today?


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: runam0k on August 21, 2014, 05:52:07 PM
Wow it is actually surprising I didn't know it either
so if someone has bought it for commercial purposes,couldn't we use it today?
Mt Gox will almost certainly sell the trademark, but it's highly unlikely anyone will ever be able to enforce it.  Bitcoin as a term is too widely used, almost generic.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: RodeoX on August 21, 2014, 05:54:15 PM
What is "Amazon". Is that something like Overstock.com?


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: trevorh on August 23, 2014, 07:34:57 PM
Assuming that's a serious question, Amazon has an online store so in that way they are similar to Overstock, but that is only one part of their business. Indeed, you could probably say Amazon is more like Microsoft or Google than it is like Overstock.com.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: TrailingComet on August 24, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
Amazon are innovators and the old guard in equal measure
Predictably they seem to taking a passive aggressive stance towards cryptos


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: runam0k on August 25, 2014, 05:50:28 PM
Assuming that's a serious question...
Wild assumption.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: itsAj on August 25, 2014, 10:57:02 PM
Wow it is actually surprising I didn't know it either
so if someone has bought it for commercial purposes,couldn't we use it today?
Mt Gox will almost certainly sell the trademark, but it's highly unlikely anyone will ever be able to enforce it.  Bitcoin as a term is too widely used, almost generic.
You can really only prevent others from using your trademark for commercial or other business purposes. Private citizens are able to write and talk about works that are trademarked however they wish. I would also think that the fact that Gox has publicly stated that they approve of anyone using it for any reason would likely make it more difficult to enforce this trademark even if they wanted to. I may be mistaken on this part but I don't think trademarks are actually able to be sold.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: HELP.org on September 01, 2014, 10:20:46 PM
Wow it is actually surprising I didn't know it either
so if someone has bought it for commercial purposes,couldn't we use it today?
Mt Gox will almost certainly sell the trademark, but it's highly unlikely anyone will ever be able to enforce it.  Bitcoin as a term is too widely used, almost generic.
You can really only prevent others from using your trademark for commercial or other business purposes. Private citizens are able to write and talk about works that are trademarked however they wish. I would also think that the fact that Gox has publicly stated that they approve of anyone using it for any reason would likely make it more difficult to enforce this trademark even if they wanted to. I may be mistaken on this part but I don't think trademarks are actually able to be sold.

Trademarks can be bought and sold and you can prevent others from using your TM by suing in court.  Writing and talking about TM's is not infringement, it is using the term in commerce for the same "class" that they use it for.  You can talk about "Apples" or talk about Apple Computer all you want  but you can't sell computers under the name of Apple.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: Bitcoinpro on September 03, 2014, 03:44:37 PM
Bitcoin is trademarked?! What is this a fun fact?
Wow it is actually surprising I didn't know it either
so if someone has bought it for commercial purposes,couldn't we use it today?

the Crypto Currency Constitution gives ownership to all users

eventually this will  be implemented into Crypto Currency Banking acts


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: trevorh on September 10, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
Well, Amazon never did answer my questions as to what the exact problem was, but my app update finally ended up getting approved. Weird, because I see all kinds of bitcoin apps in Amazon's app store.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: williamj2543 on September 10, 2014, 11:24:41 PM
Bitcoin should NOT be trademarked, especially by f*cking mt. gox. The government should revoke this trademark, no one should own the word.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: ajareselde on September 14, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Bitcoin should NOT be trademarked, especially by f*cking mt. gox. The government should revoke this trademark, no one should own the word.

i dont even get it; how could mt.gox own part of something that is created to be open to everyone?

maybe its not the word "bitcoin", maybe they own sertain bitcoin logo or something..
anyways, they are bust, so i doubt they can sell it on their own anyways.


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: HELP.org on September 22, 2014, 12:51:24 AM
Bitcoin should NOT be trademarked, especially by f*cking mt. gox. The government should revoke this trademark, no one should own the word.

i dont even get it; how could mt.gox own part of something that is created to be open to everyone?

maybe its not the word "bitcoin", maybe they own sertain bitcoin logo or something..
anyways, they are bust, so i doubt they can sell it on their own anyways.

Because they did it early on and the trademark examiner probably had no idea and nobody challenged it.  It is already an issue because the trademark was registered by the ICANN domain name clearinghouse so the owner, Tibanne, is enforcing the TM.  It could probably be challenged at this point but who would put the money up?  You would need TM attorneys in the countries where it is regged which I believe is EU and Japan.  They would want a large deposit because if Tibanne challenges it you are talking litigation expenses which can be expensive.

I know the Foundation has looked into this but I don't know if they did anything or plan to do anything.  Mt. Gox was their Board member at the time so suing a member also has issues. 


Title: Re: Amazon not allowing use of word Bitcoin in apps
Post by: NewLiberty on September 24, 2014, 05:20:56 AM
Mt. Gox was their Board member at the time so suing a member also has issues. 
Whereas suing other board members is customary.