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Like nothing is what it seems at all..

People claim 9/11 was the US itself..
Ukraine is apparently killing refugees of their own..
The US is funding the ISIS secretly.
And much much more..

Why are people so stupid and refusing to see things as they are?
Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy..

And its getting annoying to see all the dump posts by people who does not check their facts or use sites that cant proove their facts..

Well, post what you want here.. I am sure ill get a lot of comments saying that I am the dumb one who is falling for all the propaganda..

Just gonna say.. I know everything is not as it seems to be.. But sometimes its just too far.

Have fun flaming..

~Hamuki

Bitcoin people are usually people who doesn't trust governments. That's why they originally jumped to BTC. So BTT is a fertile media for conspiracy theories :). You should take a look at the survivalist and prepper forums if you think this is something extraordinary.

Conspiracy is where ALL basement dwelling social misfits gather and thrive.

This is where they cast off their nerdly vestiges and become Vikings

So they suddenly start speaking Danish/Norwegian/Swedish?

lol..

Well, I dont use Bitcoin because of government issues.. Im using it because paypal is some assholes..

Do you know who placed the demolition charges?  I agree with you it wasn't a geographic location that did it.  Do you know who and why died in Ukraine or what is ISIS?  I sure don't.  However I've seen nobody around here make these claims of actions by geographic areas that you attribute to us.  What is your agenda? 

     

Because some people have too much time on hand.

Those conspiracy theory actually provides good reading and keep people content rather than paying attention to most recent events.

I'm still not sure why WTC building 3 fell...

Flames have gutted taller buildings than that, and I've never seen one fall square from all 4 corners evenly due to fire damage  ???

I don't know who set it up or why, but I'm not dumb enough to believe the story we were told when my eyes tell a different story...

I'm not sure how anyone can still hold this attitude.

Long before the snowden revelations, people who said that US agencies spy on everyone and collect data ignoring all laws have been ridiculed and called conspiracy freaks.

I do believe that the US government is behind ISIS, al qaeda, and other groups which they use for false flag operations and to justify tyrannical laws and military actions.

Using fear to manipulate the population is nothing new and have been used many times during our history.

When you look at the complete state of collapse we are all facing its not as a result of ignorance, its not due 100% incompetence it leaves then only one other reason, motivation. Power corrupts and total power corrupts totally, history is littered with the legacy of humans inability to administer centralised authority. The blockchain is the first alternative that offers humanity some chance of a realistic alternative. So yes this community can be accused of being Jaded by promises of centralised authorities that they can improve the world. Yes we feel that for the most part we are being lied to.     

H = 8
A = 1
M = 13
U = 21
K = 11
I = 9

Wow! It is very clear what all those numbers mean for the initiated like us... Well played hamuki, well played indeed...

Because Bitcoin is kind of an underground-anti mainstream anarchist thing. That's exactly what conspirators like.

US always use fear factor to achieve what they want. Fear is massive tool in their hands and people this days are so dumb. All this facebook shit and others, how many stories behind of secret test(facebook) all this PRISM shit and snowden revelation.
Maybe OP is right and to many conspiracy is not good but at least people who believe in something like that have eyes opened wider than others.

People have been programmed to react negatively to the word "conspiracy", the television "programming" works very well, fear of being ostracised for having a minority opinion etc.

But lets calmy look at the word:


There... it's not too kooky is it!

With this in mind:

Fact:
Every war that has ever happened has involved conspiracy.

Fact:
Every fiat currency created throughout history is unlawful, and it was in the minds of those who created it, they weren't stupid, but now they are very rich. (unless you think it perfectly lawful to issue IOU certificates for shit you don't own)

And when we examine the dictionary definition, it contains the word "harmful". Now that's a very subjective word, I think you will agree. Economic sanctions against nations are acts of conspiracy, attempting to "harm" that nations economy. That's out in the open, lots of shit happening that's not disclosed. Sanctions have to be disclosed because they are so apparent.

Conspiracy is everywhere (oh and Santa Claus is a fictional character, just in case you haven't worked that one out yet).

I suspect someone is behind it. That's why.  8)

Nailed it!

Im lost.. But ok.. Can you explain..?

Now you have to explain those masses whats IOU. Most of them know them as bills or dollars.
Even cars when registering with goverment institution become theirs not yours.
In UK V5 which is registration document states clearly that is document is not proof of ownership.
How this possible? you paid for car! Once registered car belongs to DVLA, that's why they can tow it away, they can punish you with fines etc.

 ;)

OK, I will explain for other readers:

IOU, means "I owe you".

Issuing fiat money is equivalent to:

[1] I buy a chocolate bar.
[2] I sell you a gift voucher (IOU) for 1 chocalate bar.
[3] I might eat the chocolate.
[4] You try to cash in your IOU.
[5] I might say... "burp"

Cars... oh lordy... they are heavy, fast and dangerous objects, please be careful.

I will only say search "de register vehicle UK".

Doesn't matter if all the allegation is true or not, it is pointless to go against the tide and not played by the rules.

Beside, Snowden might be getting false information on the level of competency of the intelligence community. If the intelligence is that good, we wouldn't have this much problem in the world now.

In this forum there are many people who don't trust the government.
And they are too much reading about conspiracy theories.
Then they create their own theories.

The US is funding the ISIS secretly.

True actually
They are funding elements in a country they are fighting for but the funding is going to a place they are bombing.
In essence its the same terrorist group that receives funding in Syria that has that funding move to Iraq.
http://rt.com/op-edge/181068-isis-iraq-violence-us-intervene/

RT: Why are the US and the EU so eager to fight the Islamist group in Iraq, but largely ignoring its activity in Syria?

SR: That is one of the ironies - they have them in Syrian and they pretend to fight them in Iraq. I think the scenario and the policies are quite clear to anybody who observed it carefully. The US and NATO countries are using the threat of ISIL/ISIS to re-intervene, to wage in the future new wars in the region, create new military bases, especially in Iraqi Kurdistan, to try and weaken any Baghdad central government, maybe even divide Iraq into three warring regions with a very weak central government in Baghdad. The current vice president of the US Joe Biden when he was a Senator proposed to divide Iraq into three regions with a very weak center and that is what they are now practically doing in Iraq today by using this ISIS threat and savagery.

you perfect example of typical sheep. If majority doing you doing as well.

Show me a video that actually shows a plane hitting the twin towers and not one that fades out before and back in after it hits it.

Where did all the gold go tha was under the trade center?

Snowden has not exposed good intelligence. He has exposed intelligence gathering that gathers too much information. It is very difficult for the NSA to filter out all the noise because there is just too much information.

This is the first time I heard too much information and not able to filtered out by NSA.

You have friend working in the department or are you just guessing?

You should read about the CIA history. Many documents are now in the open. We have been funding rebel groups (and even training) before.  Osama bin laden was once 'the great freedom fighter' according to the press and funded by our government.

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I am surprised that you have not heard this before. This has been reported in the media many times. If you were to look at all of the email accounts in the US, how many of them do you think would have an email that included the word, "bomb" or "airplane" or "terrorism" or "hijack" if I had to guess I would say a very good percentage of them. Anytime anything terrorism related is in the news, it is likely that many people talk about these kind of things, just like they talk about anything else that is in the news. Anytime that a friend is going to travel to a dangerous place in the world, these kinds of things would likely be mentioned just as other risks would likely be mentioned.

If so many people are using these terms in their email, then how is the NSA suppose to filter out when a normal citizen who would never dream of doing harm to their country verses someone who wishes for the US to collapse?

There is more than have enough data to agree with your points
I was relating to the OP's point on that point in particular having evidence to prove and back up the argument that it is not a conspiracy theory but a fact that's not very well known.

Not talking about specific stories.. Just pointing out that so much shit is being posted...

When the government is sick, it creates a sick population.

Conspiracy junkies are just the natural outcome of an unhealthy country.

Haha, you quoted the stories. I can only assume those are the ones you consider as "so much shit"



http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/john_mccain_visits_al_qaeda_isis_terrorists_in_syria_may2013.jpg

LMAO yes Cortex7 I loved you called that out.  I have friends that should never open thier mouths they are so stupid.  They go on for hours about how the media is wrong, they were there all the stories are twisted then not 5 minutes later use news articles to defend a point.... Like.. do you think I actually care or believe anything you are going on about?

It's called cognitive dissonance. The fatal kind - they cherry pick what they want and put together mosaics of what they want to see. Then they claim they know better because they are 'smart' enough to put together a pile of self gratifying bull.

It's same as watching a chimp smear feces over its face, then watch as it claims no one is as 'tough' as it is because they don't have the balls to shit stain their own face.

The world is not a mosaic. It's a shit storm that most fools have trouble looking at directly.

All this conspiracy bitching is a good proof that many people here are nothing more then kids behind monitors. It's really embarrassing - wonder why crypto is having a hard time being accepted into mainstream? We don't need any 'illuminati' to fuck up that plan, because these twenty something kids are doing a fine job of that on their own.

There are conspiracy theories, and then there are conspiracy facts. I have a feeling that a lot of the latter has been put together with the former, just to stigmatise and discredit independent thinking and investigation.

A derogatory "hey, it's a conspiracy theory" has much the same effect as telling the kid "stop asking silly questions" or telling an adult "it's god's will" - it stops a line of questioning that might be undesirable.

An example of a conspiracy theory: aliens conspire with the US government (lack of any solid proof, which is the burden of the one putting forth a hypothesis)
An example of a conspiracy fact: KAL-007 was destroyed over the sea of Japan, near Niigata some 45 minutes after the official stated time of destruction. (Multiple cross-referencing proofs, such as debris found up the predominant current, speech analysis of control tower recordings, cross-referenced disagreeing witness accounts pointing to shoot-downs of multiple military aircraft)

Exactly!

The libor scandal comes to mind, that was a blatant conspiracy fact! Even the public court proceedings state as much.

People seemed not to give a shit that their money was diluted to pay for the whole debacle. ho hum.

By removing contradiction truth is revealed.

You have this backwards; government is an extension of the people, not its originator.  It's sick people who create a sick government, not the other way around; governments have no power outside of that which the people give them.  Conspiracy junkies are the people who don't like the sick people--potentially sick themselves but at minimum aware of it--and want others to stop being that way; to them, the sick society is indeed conspiring against them, but the explanation as to why is not evident to some so we get whacky theories born from such ignorance like illuminati or bilderburg or patriarchy (as a group, rather a system) etc.

What I find tragically funny is that conspiracy junkies come up with a bunch of conspiracies, like in the list OP gave, then some revelations come out about actual conspiracies, which are totally different and unrelated to the ones junkies keep pushing, and then those conspiracy junkies go, "See?! That conspiracy was fact! That means mine could be a fact too!"

Sorry guys, just because new facts about some other theories are discovered, that doesn't make your theory any more valid.

Indeed, good point, cognitive dissonance tends to exist more in the minds of those who don't ask questions and speculate.
They stick to a solution that does not logically work out, that IS cognitive dissonance. Someone trying to work things out are trying to reduce that dissonance, granted they may be dead wrong but at least they're trying.

It's strange how some individuals are so opposed to free thinking and logical debate? Anyone would think they had been conditioned to oppose it :D

This generation of adult were raised by Hollywood movies. So we don't believe everything is simple and everything has a plot with good guy winning at the end.

Don't forget the antennae on the moon

the mother of all conspiracies: MATRIX

You must also believe that Only dead fish goes with the flow.The theories doesn't come out without pointing to any relevant proofs or substratum.

imo it's not complicated.. like-minded people come to the same place to share their ideas and confirmation bias. some of the things that people believe here are just really nuts.. like reptilian alien species abductions, and 13 european inbred bloodlines