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Title: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: coins101 on August 21, 2014, 07:23:01 PM Darkcoin has announced its first major pay per access service to run through its Master Nodes:
Quote Utilizing the Masternode network - DarkTor One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin. The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network. There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin. Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic. Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators. Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput. As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect. https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-august-19-2014.2086/ How much would you pay, if anything, to access a decentralised version of Tor, which could be called Iris (no name as yet)? Payments will likely start with DRK, possibly adding BTC and other crypto. Why is this important? This pricing is how Master Nodes could be worth quite a lot in the years to come: http://www.reddit.com/r/DRKCoin/comments/2e489p/darktor_valuation/ Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lauda on August 21, 2014, 07:59:56 PM You made a big mistake when you added the option nothing.
Only either someone who hates DRK, is trying to troll or spread FUD will vote that. This solution, if one day release will be amazing there is no reason no to pay for it. $0.1 to $0.2 a day would be enough I think. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lauda on August 21, 2014, 08:12:42 PM Why should i buy darkcoins Tor access when i could just use a VPN ? What happens when the government comes knocking at your VPNs door? ::)Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: mistercashking on August 21, 2014, 08:17:29 PM 25 cents is the most I would pay. So Try to Make it cheaper than that. lol
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lebubar on August 21, 2014, 08:30:10 PM The privacy and liberty should be free.
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: spud21 on August 21, 2014, 08:32:45 PM Why should i buy darkcoins Tor access when i could just use a VPN ? What happens when the government comes knocking at your VPNs door? ::)I'm no expert, but I remember someone who sounded like one who said tor had been beaten a number of times. It was quite a few years ago, but it sounded like a user thought it was unbreakable, but someone in authority tracked their traffic anyway. If it's true it must have been a very rare event, but occasionally someone got tracked. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: nsimmons on August 21, 2014, 08:33:00 PM The privacy and liberty should be free. masternode operators should just pay for servers and bandwidth out of their pocket, then give you a service for free? Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Joshuar on August 21, 2014, 08:34:51 PM I agree and I'm very excited with what Evan's doing. TOR is funded in part by the U.S government lol...We need a "version" of TOR where it's decentralized etc. This boosts Darkcoin to new levels. :D
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lebubar on August 21, 2014, 08:38:34 PM The privacy and liberty should be free. masternode operators should just pay for servers and bandwidth out of their pocket, then give you a service for free? We are already been paid in DRK 20%, if this increase the price of DRK it may be enough (imagine 1DRK @100$) and for the moment we have more or less one payment every 2 days... We must find a maner that the people that want use it need DRK... Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: ArticMine on August 21, 2014, 08:47:04 PM I voted 0.25 USD a day since this is a reasonable cost of a VPN. Nevertheless one needs to be convinced that is setup provides a level of anonymity at least equal to that of TOR with much better performance. Essentially a paid version of TOR. By the way I hold XMR as an investment and no DRK so this is strictly from the point of view of a comparison with TOR.
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: othe on August 21, 2014, 08:55:36 PM I voted 0.25 USD a day since this is a reasonable cost of a VPN. Nevertheless one needs to be convinced that is setup provides a level of anonymity at least equal to that of TOR with much better performance. Essentially a paid version of TOR. By the way I hold XMR as an investment and no DRK so this is strictly from the point of view of a comparison with TOR. It cant, tor is only resonable secure because of its sheer amount of users. Not to mention that every exitnode can sniff traffic and tor itself makes more sense for internal onion browsing and not as a bridge to the www. then u need a browserbundle which is perfectly tight at security. And tons of tordir and bridgeservers, middlenodes etc. And the legal problems... makes sense to earn 20 cent a day and risk jail for that. And if u think you can make that better than a million funded and 10 year old project with a shitton of security experts you must be totally insane. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: nsimmons on August 21, 2014, 08:57:58 PM The privacy and liberty should be free. masternode operators should just pay for servers and bandwidth out of their pocket, then give you a service for free? We are already been paid in DRK 20%, if this increase the price of DRK it may be enough (imagine 1DRK @100$) and for the moment we have more or less one payment every 2 days... We must find a maner that the people that want use it need DRK... We are being paid for mixing coins, more services require more payment. Or are you one of those people who think their should be caps on how much others are allowed to make. If there is the possibility im going to have illegal activity run though my node don't you think I should be compensated more than someone who just mixes coin? Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: RadDragon on August 21, 2014, 09:01:57 PM Mandatory payment for an anonymity still begets a less than free feeling
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: From Above on August 21, 2014, 09:13:19 PM voted nothing ofc
~CfA~ Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lebubar on August 21, 2014, 09:16:04 PM The privacy and liberty should be free. masternode operators should just pay for servers and bandwidth out of their pocket, then give you a service for free? We are already been paid in DRK 20%, if this increase the price of DRK it may be enough (imagine 1DRK @100$) and for the moment we have more or less one payment every 2 days... We must find a maner that the people that want use it need DRK... We are being paid for mixing coins, more services require more payment. Or are you one of those people who think their should be caps on how much others are allowed to make. If there is the possibility im going to have illegal activity run though my node don't you think I should be compensated more than someone who just mixes coin? It depend on how this will work. If it's completly independant of DRK : not using nether DRK, nether blockchaoin, nether the darcoind, but only using "unused" ressource of the MN server (cpu, bandwith) well then can make a private secure anonymus network ok and been paid in $. But if in way or another it use the DRK (need to have 10 or wathever DRK in a wallet) to use it free then this give value at DRK and DRK can be used to give liberty where people need it, so this make DRK known and if the two things are linked then no need to be paid in $ but receive eventually some fee or something but this will give value to DRK, and this will return to better earning for MN. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: vertoe on August 21, 2014, 09:18:23 PM I have to agree, this should be free.
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lebubar on August 21, 2014, 09:22:22 PM I have to agree, this should be free. We are talking about freedom, liberty for privacy and now you are all becoming Masternodes buzinessman?Why make and use a decentralize currency ? To not depend on government, bank system, ... that tax you, that say to you what is "good" what is "bad". If this give value to DRK then it's "win-win". Edit : another very simple example : whatsApp is free, but was bough by Facebook billions and billions. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: coins101 on August 21, 2014, 09:44:29 PM I have to agree, this should be free. We are talking about freedom, liberty for privacy and now you are all becoming Masternodes buzinessman?Why make and use a decentralize currency ? To not depend on government, bank system, ... that tax you, that say to you what is "good" what is "bad". If this give value to DRK then it's "win-win". Edit : another very simple example : whatsApp is free, but was bough by Facebook billions and billions. +101 Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lauda on August 21, 2014, 09:48:29 PM I have to agree, this should be free. Exactly why is to so hard to pay 5-6$ for this a month? The costs are quite low if you ask me for what it offers. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Brilliantrocket on August 21, 2014, 09:58:12 PM It can't be free as it will add additional expense for the masternode operators. Bandwidth isn't free.
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: othe on August 21, 2014, 10:10:16 PM It can't be free as it will add additional expense for the masternode operators. Bandwidth isn't free. Why is TOR, I2P and Johndonym free to use then? I can tell you why, the difference is, those people believe in Privacy, you guys only believe in $. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lauda on August 21, 2014, 10:13:58 PM It can't be free as it will add additional expense for the masternode operators. Bandwidth isn't free. Why is TOR, I2P and Johndonym free to use then? I can tell you why, the difference is, those people believe in Privacy, you guys only believe in $. They are trying to minimize the costs of this service I don't see why people are complaining? Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Brilliantrocket on August 21, 2014, 10:15:25 PM It can't be free as it will add additional expense for the masternode operators. Bandwidth isn't free. Why is TOR, I2P and Johndonym free to use then? I can tell you why, the difference is, those people believe in Privacy, you guys only believe in $. Tor: Sponsors Active Sponsors in 2014: SRI International (2011-2014) US Department of State Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (2013-2015) National Science Foundation joint with Georgia Tech and Princeton University (2012-2016) Radio Free Asia (2012-2014) An anonymous North American ISP (2009-present) The Ford Foundation (2013-2014) Google Summer of Code (2007-present) More than 4,300 personal donations from individuals like you (2006-present) Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: othe on August 21, 2014, 10:31:14 PM It can't be free as it will add additional expense for the masternode operators. Bandwidth isn't free. Why is TOR, I2P and Johndonym free to use then? I can tell you why, the difference is, those people believe in Privacy, you guys only believe in $. Tor: Sponsors Active Sponsors in 2014: SRI International (2011-2014) US Department of State Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (2013-2015) National Science Foundation joint with Georgia Tech and Princeton University (2012-2016) Radio Free Asia (2012-2014) An anonymous North American ISP (2009-present) The Ford Foundation (2013-2014) Google Summer of Code (2007-present) More than 4,300 personal donations from individuals like you (2006-present) I am talking about the nodes, i already mentioned you can´t outcompete a sponsored project like TOR on a technology level with thousands of helpers, thats just desillusional. A lot of nodes are run by volunteers, same as bitcoin nodes. This word is prolly new for you, google a bit for "volunteer". You might be shocked. To shock you even more, i am one of those: Quote More than 4,300 personal donations from individuals like you (2006-present) Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Brilliantrocket on August 21, 2014, 10:46:58 PM Yeah ok, those nodes that cost insane amounts of money are being run by altruistic privacy lovers. Sure, the project that received millions of dollars in government funding is run by volunteers. I'd like to purchase one gram of whatever it is that you are smoking.
Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: othe on August 21, 2014, 10:49:14 PM Are you really that stupid?
Tons of nodes are run by volunteers all over the world. For example perfect-privacy runs exit nodes on all their vpns to support tor. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Brilliantrocket on August 21, 2014, 10:57:12 PM Are you really that stupid? Sure, a percentage of them are run by privacy advocates. But Tor is massive. The cost of running these nodes is not negligible. Tons of nodes are run by volunteers all over the world. For example perfect-privacy runs exit nodes on all their vpns to support tor. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: ArticMine on August 21, 2014, 11:06:12 PM I voted 0.25 USD a day since this is a reasonable cost of a VPN. Nevertheless one needs to be convinced that is setup provides a level of anonymity at least equal to that of TOR with much better performance. Essentially a paid version of TOR. By the way I hold XMR as an investment and no DRK so this is strictly from the point of view of a comparison with TOR. It cant, tor is only resonable secure because of its sheer amount of users. Not to mention that every exitnode can sniff traffic and tor itself makes more sense for internal onion browsing and not as a bridge to the www. then u need a browserbundle which is perfectly tight at security. And tons of tordir and bridgeservers, middlenodes etc. And the legal problems... makes sense to earn 20 cent a day and risk jail for that. And if u think you can make that better than a million funded and 10 year old project with a shitton of security experts you must be totally insane. Those selling the product need to make the case that the privacy and anonymity is at least equivalent to that of TOR. Furthermore the fact that the US Government has contributed to the development of a Free Libre Open Source Software (FLOSS) Project is irrelevant since by the very nature of FLOSS the source code is publicly available and subject to independent third party audit and review. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: MasterMined710 on August 23, 2014, 04:29:41 PM 10-15 cents per day or $2-3 per month. not enough demand for tor in general to be a showstopper though.
i would instead focus more on a decentralized bitcoin to drk mixer that pays mn's. an in wallet drk/btc exchange and a plug-in type feature for integration with darkwallet and coinkite etc. a one button btc anonymization service with the fee's to masternodes. both are cool but a mixer would be my focus first. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: Lauda on August 23, 2014, 05:26:58 PM 10-15 cents per day or $2-3 per month. not enough demand for tor in general to be a showstopper though. What do you mean with 'decentralized bitcoin to drk mixer'?i would instead focus more on a decentralized bitcoin to drk mixer that pays mn's. an in wallet drk/btc exchange and a plug-in type feature for integration with darkwallet and coinkite etc. a one button btc anonymization service with the fee's to masternodes. both are cool but a mixer would be my focus first. You could suggest this on the darkcoinforum I'm sure that the developers would be interested. There's no harm to paying $2-3 a month, that's pretty cheap. Or just make it free and have a paid tier once you reach a certain amount of bandwidth. Title: Re: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor Post by: coins101 on August 23, 2014, 05:33:13 PM 10-15 cents per day or $2-3 per month. not enough demand for tor in general to be a showstopper though. What do you mean with 'decentralized bitcoin to drk mixer'?i would instead focus more on a decentralized bitcoin to drk mixer that pays mn's. an in wallet drk/btc exchange and a plug-in type feature for integration with darkwallet and coinkite etc. a one button btc anonymization service with the fee's to masternodes. both are cool but a mixer would be my focus first. You could suggest this on the darkcoinforum I'm sure that the developers would be interested. There's no harm to paying $2-3 a month, that's pretty cheap. Or just make it free and have a paid tier once you reach a certain amount of bandwidth. interesting idea |