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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: opticbit on April 03, 2012, 07:15:48 AM



Title: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 03, 2012, 07:15:48 AM
http://hyipbit.com/?ref=16wdZpQ53BzgncDs3xb8BMecoGVQQh73mK

found them on some hyip site, havent seen them anywhere in the btc communities.

minimum is 2btc, and i don't trust this one enough to take the risk.

the send addy doesn't change on refresh, or in private browse mode.  i also sent .01 btc and it went somewhere in 4.5hrs


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: dollartrader on April 03, 2012, 09:17:49 AM
fwiw, I gave (and I use that word purposely) them a few coins shortly after they started. Payments have been coming as the site says.

After reading the "about us" I guessed this has to be the mystery miner :)

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We have installed and maintain a powerful mining rig, which includes around 190 machines with high-end graphic cards, especially efficient in mining procedure.  By optimizing energy consumption we have achieved a very high level of return on hardware investment. We are able to generate about  $9,000 worth of new bitcoins daily, which hedges our risks and provides a secure foundation for our program.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: payb.tc on April 03, 2012, 10:28:05 AM
fwiw, I gave (and I use that word purposely) them a few coins shortly after they started. Payments have been coming as the site says.

After reading the "about us" I guessed this has to be the mystery miner :)

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We have installed and maintain a powerful mining rig, which includes around 190 machines with high-end graphic cards, especially efficient in mining procedure.  By optimizing energy consumption we have achieved a very high level of return on hardware investment. We are able to generate about  $9,000 worth of new bitcoins daily, which hedges our risks and provides a secure foundation for our program.

why do they even bother coming up with a story like that? and then have hyip in their domain name?


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Global BTC on April 03, 2012, 10:59:00 AM
This sounds very much like a Ponzi scheme.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on April 03, 2012, 01:42:26 PM
This sounds very much like a Ponzi scheme.
I don't see how it can be since it pays 5.0%, 5.5% or 6.0% per day return.  If it was a Ponzi scheme it would have a lot smaller return in order to last longer.  Why would they use such a large return if it were just a Ponzi scheme?  As a Ponzi scheme it would not be able to be supported with such a high rate of return.

Also, why would you put HYIP right there in the name if you were a HYIP?

In order to make the 6% per day return I had to move all of my money out of my Pirate@40 account into this one.

Do you really think that was a mistake?


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on April 03, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
Wait your belief is that because it has a very high rate of return it can't be a ponzi?

Am I missing the sarcasm?


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: payb.tc on April 03, 2012, 02:06:51 PM
Am I missing the sarcasm?

yes. nice one burt :D


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 03, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
looks like returns would go back to where they came, i guess i'll send two to myself, and hope it sends from that addy so i can keep track.

Tried contacting to have them send to a different addy than where it came from, but the process was a little anoying.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 03, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
heres my transaction lets find out

http://blockexplorer.com/t/3KNdoz41Kr


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: schnell on April 03, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
How do you get your money back out again?
Do they pay daily?
Would you suggest investing?


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: JusticeForYou on April 03, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
How do you get your money back out again?
Do they pay daily?
Would you suggest investing?


Good questions, I would suggest you answer them before 'investing'.



Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: schnell on April 03, 2012, 07:25:16 PM
How do you get your money back out again?
Do they pay daily?
Would you suggest investing?


Good questions, I would suggest you answer them before 'investing'.


Exactly. I don't see how anyone, ponzi or not, can afford to pay 5% daily on investments, and profit.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Global BTC on April 03, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
I don't see how anyone, ponzi or not, can afford to pay 5% daily on investments, and profit.

Well, if it's a Ponzi scheme what they can go for 20 days with no growth at all, since that's the time it takes before you can no longer afford to pay dividends using the users own money. To continue without profit, they would need a daily growth rate of new investors at 5%/20 = 0.25%. This may sound low, but it grows by a whole lot of new coins needed per day after a while.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Global BTC on April 03, 2012, 08:01:40 PM
heres my transaction lets find out

http://blockexplorer.com/t/3KNdoz41Kr

So, if they are mining the coins, which they say they are doing, your payouts should be coming from freshly mined coins, created after your payment was done. If  your payouts are coming from your initial investment, it's probably a Ponzi.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Clipse on April 03, 2012, 08:25:36 PM
This website looks like an exact replica of http://www.ultimafund.com/


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Littleshop on April 03, 2012, 08:31:38 PM
Maybe if the owner of that site pays off all of the other past bitcoin HY scams then we can have a ponzi scam of ponzi scams. 


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: drakahn on April 04, 2012, 04:35:57 AM
If you're trying out ponzi's, join my 'pooled' matrix idea (Shared payouts from the top account) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=70102.0

i want to see someone get the 10btc payout out of matrix


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: payb.tc on April 04, 2012, 04:49:10 AM
if you're trying out ponzis please join this one under my link: *****:D

edit: just realised drakahn is talking about the same program so to be fair use his link.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on April 04, 2012, 05:04:13 AM
This explains it all pretty clearly:  http://hyipbit.com/invest.html

You never have to ask to withdrawl your money.  You get 50 payments of 5.0%, 5.5% or 6.0%, depending on how much you invest.  Payments are made every week day because, I guess, money has to sleep on the week ends?

So, lets say you do what I did and invest 2000 BTC in order to maximize your profits.  Since the deposit is worth over $5000 it pays 6% per day.

Every week day I get 120 BTC deposited directly into my wallet (this sure is nice - it just makes my day and I get kind of blue on the weekends because I don't get my 120 BTC)

They are going to do this 50 times so my total deposits will be 50 x 120 BTC = 6000 BTC.

So I am going to make a 4000 BTC profit in just 10 weeks.  Sweet!


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: payb.tc on April 04, 2012, 05:39:40 AM
burt if i ever make a hyip, remind me to hire you as the marketing guy.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Global BTC on April 04, 2012, 05:49:11 AM
This explains it all pretty clearly:  http://hyipbit.com/invest.html

You never have to ask to withdrawl your money.  You get 50 payments of 5.0%, 5.5% or 6.0%, depending on how much you invest.  Payments are made every week day because, I guess, money has to sleep on the week ends?

So, lets say you do what I did and invest 2000 BTC in order to maximize your profits.  Since the deposit is worth over $5000 it pays 6% per day.

Every week day I get 120 BTC deposited directly into my wallet (this sure is nice - it just makes my day and I get kind of blue on the weekends because I don't get my 120 BTC)

They are going to do this 50 times so my total deposits will be 50 x 120 BTC = 6000 BTC.

So I am going to make a 4000 BTC profit in just 10 weeks.  Sweet!

That's what they are saying they will do. The problem here is this: How do you know they will keep their promises? In reality, you will probably only get the first few payouts, if any at all. After that, all traces of the site's owners will be gone.

A BIG warning sign is that there is no personal information on anyone behind the service available on the site. All there is is a PO box and a telephone number.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on April 04, 2012, 06:02:46 AM
All there is is a PO box and a telephone number.

Wait, we have their phone number and PO box?  That is more than I expected!  Let me look...

Sure enough:

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Also you can use our online chat support or call  +1 (209) 813-2065
Hyipbit.com,
P.O. Box 355, 6928 Pede St. CA

Now I am even more confident that I did the right thing ;)




Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 04, 2012, 10:16:19 AM
If you're trying out ponzi's, join my 'pooled' matrix idea (Shared payouts from the top account) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=70102.0

i want to see someone get the 10btc payout out of matrix

already did
http://btcmatrix.com/ref/opticbit was #64


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: drakahn on April 04, 2012, 11:31:07 AM
If you're trying out ponzi's, join my 'pooled' matrix idea (Shared payouts from the top account) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=70102.0

i want to see someone get the 10btc payout out of matrix

already did
http://btcmatrix.com/ref/opticbit was #64

you got the 10btc? because you didn't join under my pooled account only inaba has so far, the details are in the thread i linked but anyone who joined under the account 'pooled' gets a cut of any payments that account gets...


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 05, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
been 40 hrs since my original spend, nothing back yet.

noticed someone spent 5btc a couple blocks ahead of me,  did you get anything yet? and someone else sent 10 btc a little after me.  anyone use my referral link? I didn't get anything from that either. 


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: dollartrader on April 05, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
Burt said The owner of hyipbit said to email him if you did not receive your payment. He's pretty quick with response.

support@hyipbit.com



Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 05, 2012, 05:03:56 PM
minimum deposit has changed from 2 to 5


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 05, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Contacted live support, got some coins.


8acab7c02a01c9aa82a36812539d4f746ab42a227bf5da13e468c6082dc6f4f3


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on April 18, 2012, 09:16:07 AM
been getting regular payments every weekday, got 50% back sofar, just a afew more days to break even.  havent gotten any referral payouts though, not sure if anyone used my link.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: kokojie on May 08, 2012, 07:58:47 PM
This sounds very much like a Ponzi scheme.
I don't see how it can be since it pays 5.0%, 5.5% or 6.0% per day return.  If it was a Ponzi scheme it would have a lot smaller return in order to last longer.  Why would they use such a large return if it were just a Ponzi scheme?  As a Ponzi scheme it would not be able to be supported with such a high rate of return.

Also, why would you put HYIP right there in the name if you were a HYIP?

In order to make the 6% per day return I had to move all of my money out of my Pirate@40 account into this one.

Do you really think that was a mistake?

Nope, a ponzi scheme can run perfectly fine with 5% daily return, as long as new investor growth rate is able to cover that, you will always have positive cash flow.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on May 08, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
This sounds very much like a Ponzi scheme.
I don't see how it can be since it pays 5.0%, 5.5% or 6.0% per day return.  If it was a Ponzi scheme it would have a lot smaller return in order to last longer.  Why would they use such a large return if it were just a Ponzi scheme?  As a Ponzi scheme it would not be able to be supported with such a high rate of return.

Also, why would you put HYIP right there in the name if you were a HYIP?

In order to make the 6% per day return I had to move all of my money out of my Pirate@40 account into this one.

Do you really think that was a mistake?

Nope, a ponzi scheme can run perfectly fine with 5% daily return, as long as new investor growth rate is able to cover that, you will always have positive cash flow.
You realize I was joking, right?


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on May 09, 2012, 02:09:05 PM
I fear this HYIP may have run its course.  I deposited 5 BTC and should get 5%/weekday (money has to rest on the weekend for some reason) for 10 weeks, so 50 payments of 0.25 for a total of 12.50 BTC.

Everything was going according to plan until they missed the last two payments:  http://blockchain.info/address/1NuB6C3fmCZPR77PXxpK1TwKnJPAkYGH51?filter=2 (http://blockchain.info/address/1NuB6C3fmCZPR77PXxpK1TwKnJPAkYGH51?filter=2), notice the last payment was made on 2012-05-07.

Let's see if they can get this back on track and get me my missed payments!

Here is their expaination:

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Dear friends,
we're moving our payout system to a different schedule, due to a very high load. There were some glitches along the way, but we're almost done.
Please don't worry, we're working as normally.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on May 12, 2012, 12:38:36 AM
glad I only put in a little bit, and only re-invested the returns..

hope this is the reason the payouts have been reduced, but I suspect the ponzi ran out of steam.

http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2012/05/developing-bitcoinica-hacked.html


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Raoul Duke on May 12, 2012, 01:10:29 AM
Get out of ponzies and join an inovative pyramid... err... PyraMining!
My initial 7 BTC investment will get me 208 BTC over the course of the next 10 months.
No, I'm not kidding, I got one of my referrals to deposit 2000 BTC.
 If the referral link you click doesn't work, pick another one or PM me.
By using a referral link you get 10% of reward on top of your investment instead of only 5%.

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/ce748ktdz
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/6b3eghm7k
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/fe2h6ptar
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/arbzfhp32
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/f3ydz47mk


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: Vorksholk on May 18, 2012, 01:10:32 AM
So has the situation improved with getting regular payouts? The bitcoin transactions link didn't show anything after the 7th, but perhaps other people have had some luck? Any new word from hyipbit either? Just curious, was doing hkbtclending, but the returns on this investment hyipbit seem just a bit too good to be true...


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: donking on May 18, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
hyipbit.com = SCAM.

As of May 2012 there is no more payouts. There is no response on email.

Do yourself a favor and stay away.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: BurtW on May 18, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
hyipbit.com = SCAM.

As of May 2012 there is no more payouts. There is no response on email.

Do yourself a favor and stay away.
This was a scam from the very start.  If you got in very early you got your money plus some profit.  If you got in late you lose.  Simple ponzi.  No reason to send them money now - that would be just plain stupid.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: opticbit on May 21, 2012, 04:33:48 AM
hyipbit.com = SCAM.

As of May 2012 there is no more payouts. There is no response on email.

Do yourself a favor and stay away.
This was a scam from the very start.  If you got in very early you got your money plus some profit.  If you got in late you lose.  Simple ponzi.  No reason to send them money now - that would be just plain stupid.

yes, I was continually re-investing, I end up at a small loss.


Title: Re: Hyipbit.com any good?
Post by: jallen on June 09, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
If you want to stay out of ponzi schemes, you can use any of my referral links to pyramining.com:  http://goo.gl/9OSsk