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Title: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: the_poet on August 29, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
This is a BIG one:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/29/bitcoin-could-be-considered-legal-tender-australian-tax-official-says


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Omikifuse on August 29, 2014, 07:23:09 PM
You mean with specific regularizations.

As far as I know Bitcoin never was illegal in Australia.

Or I'm wrong?


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: adamstgBit on August 29, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
You mean with specific regularizations.

As far as I know Bitcoin never was illegal in Australia.

Or I'm wrong?

legal tender, as in you can settle debts with it, like you would with AUD.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: doof on August 30, 2014, 02:58:44 AM
Nice!


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: itsAj on August 30, 2014, 03:34:25 AM
You mean with specific regularizations.

As far as I know Bitcoin never was illegal in Australia.

Or I'm wrong?

legal tender, as in you can settle debts with it, like you would with AUD.
Although this is the definition of legal tender, I would somewhat doubt that this would happen because of the fact that so many people (a smaller percentage every day) do not know what bitcoin is and a larger percentage (most people) do not know how to properly secure their bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: bornil267645 on August 30, 2014, 04:18:41 AM
This might be a big change for bitcoin community.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: ReserviorHunt on August 30, 2014, 08:54:43 AM
This might be a big change for bitcoin community.

It is. Bitcoin and crypto in general is gaining more attention that your average trader would know. A lot going on unnoticed.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Lauda on August 30, 2014, 09:41:25 AM
Although this is the definition of legal tender, I would somewhat doubt that this would happen because of the fact that so many people (a smaller percentage every day) do not know what bitcoin is and a larger percentage (most people) do not know how to properly secure their bitcoin.
That's not a reason for it not to happen.
This is the classic one: bitcoin can't be used until there is adoption; why adopt something that nobody uses?
It has to start somewhere.
Since when do people know how to secure their money (be it a CC or cash)?  ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: doof on August 30, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
I reckon its to do with tax.  ATO has come out with some guidelines already.  If its more legit, then the gov can get their cut.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: negafen on August 30, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
This is a BIG one:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/29/bitcoin-could-be-considered-legal-tender-australian-tax-official-says

Australia government is more progressive than China and US then.

If they know the tide of virtual currency can't be stop, they might as well embrace it and get some benefit from it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: oceans on August 30, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
As much as I feel this is a great thing for bitcoin I can't help but feel that the Australian Government may be doing this to try and make it so they can begin taxing it to make money off it. I really hope I am wrong though.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: doof on August 30, 2014, 10:49:22 AM
As much as I feel this is a great thing for bitcoin I can't help but feel that the Australian Government may be doing this to try and make it so they can begin taxing it to make money off it. I really hope I am wrong though.

Its the same with cash.  Gov attitude is carrot and stick.  Here is your BAS, go and fill it out correctly.  If you don't and get caught...


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: fa on August 30, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
Bitcoin: tax me if you can
Australia: no bitcoin without tax


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Wealthy on August 30, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
That's another great step towards bitcoin promotion.

Long live Bitcoin! To the moon!


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: CreamyPie on August 30, 2014, 03:45:24 PM
When was bitcoin illegal? :P

Anyways its good Bitcoin will be getting legal rights so people can sue someone in case of theft.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Fearless on August 30, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
This is a BIG one:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/29/bitcoin-could-be-considered-legal-tender-australian-tax-official-says

Australia government is more progressive than China and US then.

If they know they tide of virtual can't be stop, they might as well embrace it and get some benefit from it.
Government should be like this in the favor of its citizens,Implement,Utilize and Rise with the people for the People.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Timetwister on September 02, 2014, 02:28:15 PM
This is a BIG one:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/29/bitcoin-could-be-considered-legal-tender-australian-tax-official-says

That would be great. Governments shouldn't impose any currency, every citizen should be free to use any currency as he likes.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: ticoti on September 02, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Wow it is incredible
Australia is always on the head of good changes


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Justin00 on September 02, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
Sounds like it might be heading in the right direction, one day....
If I had the option of paying for a train ticket with $ or BTC I would choose $$... I get it though.. BTC could be massive (for everyone else heh) if it goes ahead at some point... Things people only ever dreamed might come true.  

The next <3 years could be a wild ride.

*edit* Thinking about it.... Australia will do something to screw it up.. or make it retarded... :(


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: yayayo on September 02, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
As much as I feel this is a great thing for bitcoin I can't help but feel that the Australian Government may be doing this to try and make it so they can begin taxing it to make money off it. I really hope I am wrong though.

I hope not.

Bitcoin being legal tender would accelerate the demise of national fiat currencies. Either government doesn't notice it, doesn't perceive it as threat, or they will inject barbarian regulations to control and tax every Satoshi spend.

You can't be paranoid enough when it comes to governments...

ya.ya.yo!



Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: BTCevo on September 02, 2014, 03:07:40 PM
Wow this is big, such a huge leap forward for bitcoin, if Australia does it I'd say more and more countries will follow :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: cbeast on September 02, 2014, 03:11:18 PM
Wasn't Australia talking about banning Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Timetwister on September 03, 2014, 08:36:13 AM
Wow it is incredible
Australia is always on the head of good changes

That's why it's considered as one of the freest countries in the world. http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: CliveK on September 03, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
Australian governments viewpoint is:

http://www.business.gov.au/news-and-updates/News-and-features/Pages/bitcoin-for-businesses.aspx

"Businesses don’t have to accept payment by digital currency as it isn’t considered legal tender."

There you have it, it isn't legal tender.

CK


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on September 03, 2014, 08:54:15 AM

Regulate cryptos = tax cryptos



No way we can get full mainstream adoption without gov's wanting a piece of the action.  Other cryptos at a later date can be created to replace where bitcoin is at right now.  


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: ecommerce on September 03, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
As much as I feel this is a great thing for bitcoin I can't help but feel that the Australian Government may be doing this to try and make it so they can begin taxing it to make money off it. I really hope I am wrong though.

I hope not.

Bitcoin being legal tender would accelerate the demise of national fiat currencies. Either government doesn't notice it, doesn't perceive it as threat, or they will inject barbarian regulations to control and tax every Satoshi spend.

You can't be paranoid enough when it comes to governments...

ya.ya.yo!


I strongly agree


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: CliveK on September 03, 2014, 09:22:42 AM

Regulate cryptos = tax cryptos



No way we can get full mainstream adoption without gov's wanting a piece of the action.  Other cryptos at a later date can be created to replace where bitcoin is at right now.  

Hard to argue against this logic.

Governments will promote their preferred currency by accepting and paying in that currency, as well as only accept taxes in their preferred currency.

CK


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: johncarpe64 on September 04, 2014, 05:06:08 AM
Bitcoin: tax me if you can
Australia: no bitcoin without tax
I doubt that bitcoin would be taxed any differently then their fiat dollars are taxed (Australian dollars). Merchants would likely have the same obligation to pay the same sales tax on sales of goods and services. Employees would have he same obligation of paying income taxes on income. The only difference is the mode of payment.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Honeypot on September 04, 2014, 05:26:54 AM
Good news. There's a lot going on behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: Timetwister on September 04, 2014, 07:15:41 AM
Bitcoin: tax me if you can
Australia: no bitcoin without tax
I doubt that bitcoin would be taxed any differently then their fiat dollars are taxed (Australian dollars). Merchants would likely have the same obligation to pay the same sales tax on sales of goods and services. Employees would have he same obligation of paying income taxes on income. The only difference is the mode of payment.

But it'd be much easier for them to not declare those sales, which is great for citizens and bad for the government parasites.


Title: Re: Bitcoin could be considered legal tender in Australia
Post by: p2pbucks on September 04, 2014, 07:18:19 AM
for me , it's not a good news . bitcoin doesn't need anyone's approval.