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Title: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Wilikon on August 30, 2014, 02:04:59 PM


You can inject one under your skin and no one will ever notice. Using short-range radio frequency identification (RFID) signals, it can transmit your identity as you pass through a security checkpoint or walk into a football stadium. It can help you buy groceries at Wal-Mart. In a worst-case scenario – if you are kidnapped in a foreign country, for example – it could save your life.

Microchip implants like the ones pet owners use to track their dogs and cats could become commonplace in humans in the next decade. Experts are divided on whether they’re appropriate for people, but the implants could offer several advantages. For soldiers and journalists in war zones, an implant could be the difference between life and death. A tracker could also help law enforcement quickly locate a kidnapped child.

“In the long run, chip implants could make it less intrusive than some emerging ID systems which rely on physical biometrics (like your fingerprints or unique eye pattern),” says Alex Soojung-Kim Pang, author of the book “Distraction Addiction” and visiting scholar at Stanford's University’s Peace Innovation Lab.

“This should be a matter of individual choice, but fighting crime should be much easier using chips,” adds sci-fi author Larry Niven, who predicted chip implants in the ’70s. Niven said he supports chip implantation for security reasons, provided it is an opt-in measure.

Ramez Naam, who led the early development of Microsoft software projects and is now a popular speaker and author, said he envisions using chip implantation to help monitor the location of people with Alzheimer's disease.

They could be used to track the activities of felons who have been released from prison.

Chips are being used today to manage farm animals. Farmers can track sheep, pigs and horses as they move through a gate, weigh them instantly and make sure they are eating properly.

“Those same chips have found their way into RFID devices to activate the gas pump from a key ring and for anti-theft devices in cars,” said Stu Lipoff, an electrical engineer and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers spokesman.

“There have been people who volunteered to use them for opening the door of an apartment as a personalized ID using your arm. It could be used to track criminals targeted for patrol who might wander into a restricted area.”

Possible uses in the future

Implants are normally useful only at short ranges – as you walk through a portal or close to a transponder. So using chip implants to track people would require an infrastructure of transponders scattered around a city that read their identity in public buildings and street corners, Lipoff said.

But consider the possibilities:  People could unlock their homes or cars, gain access to a building, pass through an airport and even unlock their laptops without using a phone or watch. A pin code could be used to activate the chip – or to deactivate it to maintain privacy.

They are easy to install and remove, and, because they are implanted under the skin, they are unobtrusive. The chips, which could be the size of a thumbnail, could be injected into an arm or a hand.

If children were chipped, teachers could take attendance in the classroom. Lipoff said that GPS would not work because skin would block the signal, although new Near Field Communication chips like those in current smartphones could work because of their low-power requirement. However, no-one has yet tried to implant NFC chips.

Police could track cars and read data without needing to scan license plates. At a hospital, administrators could locate a doctor without having to rely on a pager. And if you walked into a donut shop, the owner could read your taste preferences (glazed or not glazed) without needing a loyalty card.

But is it ethical?

Like any tech advancement, there are downsides. Concerns about the wrong people accessing personal information and tracking you via the chips have swirled since the FDA approved the first implantable microchip in 2004.

Naam and Pang both cited potential abuses, from hacking into the infrastructure and stealing your identity to invading your privacy and knowing your driving habits. There are questions about how long a felon would have to use a tracking implant. And, an implant, which has to be small and not use battery power -- might not be as secure as a heavily encrypted smartphone.

Troy Dunn, who attempts to locate missing persons on his TNT show “APB with Troy Dunn,” said a chip implant would make his job easier, but he is strongly against the practice for most people. “I only support GPS chip monitoring for convicted felons while in prison and on parole; for sex offenders forever; and for children if parents opt in,” he says. “I am adamantly against the chipping of anyone else.”

Using chip implants to locate abducted children could actually have the opposite effect. Pang says a microchip would make a missing person easier to rescue, but “Kidnappers want ransoms, not dead bodies. The most dangerous time for victims is during rescue attempts or when the kidnappers think the police are closing in.”

And beyond the obvious privacy issues, there’s something strange about injecting a chip in your body, Lipoff says. Yet pacemakers and other embedded devices are commonly used today. “People might find it a bit unsavory, but if it is not used to track you, and apart from the privacy issues, there are many interesting applications,” he says.

At least it’s better than having a barcode stitched onto our foreheads.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/30/is-there-microchip-implant-in-your-future/



Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Keyara on August 30, 2014, 11:20:42 PM
The population will do cost and benefit analysis of those implant and might decide the benefit outweigh the privacy concern.

Personally, if those chip can enhance my memory and intelligent many folds, I won't mind giving away part of my privacy.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: dank on August 31, 2014, 12:59:28 AM
You can increase your own awareness and intellect through psychedelic experiences and mediation.

Friendly advice, hope you take it:  If you will to take the chip, you are fucked.  I'd take death over the mark any day.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: DarkForces on August 31, 2014, 01:13:17 AM
You can increase your own awareness and intellect through psychedelic experiences and mediation.

Friendly advice, hope you take it:  If you will to take the chip, you are fucked.  I'd take death over the mark any day.

Dank,

You, me, and every man in time has borne the mark since birth into this world.

All that exists now is the time before you are claimed, called back by your rightful owners.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: dank on August 31, 2014, 01:16:35 AM
The is no ownership or possession in the universe.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: DarkForces on August 31, 2014, 01:23:51 AM
The is no ownership or possession in the universe.

You think you stand free of everything around you? independent, and unconnected?

You ARE connected, to everything around you, whether you realize it or not.

They "own" you, but you "own" IT, and IT will all reach equilibrium soon.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Fabrizio89 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:45 AM
Of course there is, and I welcome it. There won't be any privacy left anyway once Internet reach is final stage, which will happen in this decade thanks to what is being done by not only corporations but even npos, and will bring us to be connected 24/7. Our real and cybernetic idendities will be indissoluble: to be, you will have to be on the Internet and be identifiable at all times.
This is not the same as saying I welcome a dystopian future, which I don't think is at all the case, even with all negative things we're seeing today, because there are much more good things happening, they just don't get as much coverage as bad things. Once automation will free us from unnecessary labour and professions (which our society is full of) and renewable energies will give us independence, we will see a huge leap in how we conceive humanity and the time we have. We really focus our existences on work and receiving rewards, but I think we're on the verge on another humanism/illuminism era. If you think I am too optimist, just take a look at how much things we're discovering these last 5 years and look at the rate research is growing, it's much more then just exponential. But we are just entering this transition time and it indeed could be really problematic mostly because our institutions and politics are still based on immutable paradigms which were ok 20/50 years ago, but now we need something much more dynamic.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 31, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
The population will do cost and benefit analysis of those implant and might decide the benefit outweigh the privacy concern.

Personally, if those chip can enhance my memory and intelligent many folds, I won't mind giving away part of my privacy.

It's an interesting proposition to say the least but if the chip could enhance my memory and intelligence I think that some of that new found knowledge would be used to ensure that my privacy is kept secured.

Although it does scare me that an argument is think of the children they should all be chipped at birth for these type of technologies, as it would not be a choice but a decision made by their parents at their birth.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: pungopete468 on August 31, 2014, 10:41:52 PM
When that day comes, I'll start selling Faraday clothing...


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: pawel7777 on August 31, 2014, 10:50:41 PM
I definitely expect to see such chips in action in future. But it's likely to be a voluntary process rather than government-forced.
The reason the gov wouldn't want to enforce that on everyone is they'd have to chip themselves and their families. Also if everyone is chipped, the common crime rates would likely to fall (detecting crime would be extremely fast and easy in most of cases), so the gov would struggle to justify high expenses on police force/ other 'security' agencies, meaning less power and less control over the people.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: stainedglass on September 03, 2014, 03:03:17 PM
If I were to choose between chip and cash. Id still prefer cash. I dont care if chip is more secure or what. I want to go old school.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Bonam on September 04, 2014, 03:49:56 AM
I expect worried parents will place tracker chips of various kinds in their kids. That will be among the first applications.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: jaberwock on September 04, 2014, 04:20:48 AM
Them just EMP and erase all people's identities. It is not absurd hard make an EMP that migh destroy a single chip.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: meadefreling on September 04, 2014, 09:40:04 AM
If there is a microchip implant tomorrow and it goes for a cent. I still would prefer life as it is planned,speculative and private. Because i enjoy life the way its now and forever, i love privacy.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: keyscore44 on September 04, 2014, 11:50:41 AM
No thanks :)

In some not-so-distant dystopian future they'll eventually make implants compulsory at birth, imagine they'll be an underground chip-removal-service for people wanted to get off 'the grid.'


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Stalkhome on September 04, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
that will make me rich? Then yes!


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: StallionOne on September 04, 2014, 02:02:35 PM
I expect worried parents will place tracker chips of various kinds in their kids. That will be among the first applications.

If its sold cheap that time I will surely buy for my kid.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Kolakazki on September 04, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
My mom believes its the sign of the beast


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: indoboycoiner on September 04, 2014, 02:12:04 PM
No. Its one of the signs of the times. I dont want to do that.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: ObscureBean on September 04, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
No freaking way I'm ever having an implant. I don't care that it could be useful. Think about it, you could never be 100% sure what they put inside you, what secret functions the device could have. You know how the government is man, they always want more control and nothing will stop them from tapping into your implant if they want to. And I'm not being paranoid here. I'm not having the barcode either but at least it would be better than the implant. Tattooed though, not stitched  :D


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: dank on September 04, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
The is no ownership or possession in the universe.

You think you stand free of everything around you? independent, and unconnected?

You ARE connected, to everything around you, whether you realize it or not.

They "own" you, but you "own" IT, and IT will all reach equilibrium soon.

What does connectedness have to do with ownership?


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: peeveepee on September 04, 2014, 03:53:30 PM
No freaking way I'm ever having an implant. I don't care that it could be useful. Think about it, you could never be 100% sure what they put inside you, what secret functions the device could have. You know how the government is man, they always want more control and nothing will stop them from tapping into your implant if they want to. And I'm not being paranoid here. I'm not having the barcode either but at least it would be better than the implant. Tattooed though, not stitched  :D

The benefit could convince enough people to give up privacy. Imagine having cyber sex feel real for once.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Bonam on September 04, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
An implant is really only a tiny step away from what we have now. Most people have their smart phones within a few feet of their person 24/7. You can already theoretically be tracked, monitored, etc, through your smart phone, but that has not stopped the vast majority of people (with the means) from getting them. The same will be true of any future devices that have comparable utility.

Would I get an implant that let me instantly access all the world's information through Google as if it was part of my own internal memory? Yes, I would.

Would I get an implant that let me "telepathically" communicate with other people? Yes, I would.

Would I get an implant that augmented my brain's ability to process information, expanding my intelligent a thousand fold? Yes, I would. 

Of course all of the above comes with caveats... how safe is it? How reliable is it? How expensive? How intrusive is the implantation? What safeguards against malicious use exist? What do the reviews on Amazon say about it?


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: oprahwindfury on September 05, 2014, 01:00:56 PM
If I could have chloroplasts graphed onto my skin in the form of implants then I would. Being self-sustaining is the ultimate tool humans could have under their belt I believe. Produce your own atp and not relying on external organic matter. I would love to be the guinea pig in that experiment. Then again I am a little wary of how your body would react to something like that. We will see. We will see future.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Wilikon on September 05, 2014, 02:27:24 PM


Being self-sustaining is the ultimate tool humans could have under their belt I believe

... Even if that tool is provided for free by google? What if that tool forbids you from using bitcoins online?




Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: samaricanin on September 06, 2014, 11:17:12 AM
In EU chipping has already begun

https://i.imgur.com/SfVM85k.jpg?1


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: dank on September 06, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
If I could have chloroplasts graphed onto my skin in the form of implants then I would. Being self-sustaining is the ultimate tool humans could have under their belt I believe. Produce your own atp and not relying on external organic matter. I would love to be the guinea pig in that experiment. Then again I am a little wary of how your body would react to something like that. We will see. We will see future.

You already hold infinite energy inside of you.  Tap into your soul and you will find abundance.  Sungaze.  Meditate.  Open your mind to the higher dimensions through psychedelics.

The rest is synthetic transhuman robotism, completely unnatural.  People have been harnessing the power of consciousness for millennial, as we are humans, not machines.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: egghead123 on September 06, 2014, 05:55:36 PM
Let the slaves queue up for their chips and then get out the popcorn and wait to see who gets hacked first.Listening to the poodles waiting to be chipped gives me the giggles.Wanna buy some chips...get in quick before the pump LMFAO :o


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Mike Christ on September 07, 2014, 04:30:23 AM
I don't see why not; cow farmers tag their cattle with chips, why not human farmers?


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: mark coins on September 07, 2014, 01:42:21 PM
So, they can implant this microchip in me, and I'll no longer have to carry around a wallet? All of my identifying information can be tied to this chip? Bank accounts, driver's license, medical history..... this actually sounds like a great idea or mind control :-[


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Champ92 on September 08, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
Well first the answer is no. I just dont want something implanted in me. There is no control in buying what I like. I love how the money works right now.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: MasterCasino on September 08, 2014, 03:21:04 PM
It depends on how much itll cost me to put a microchip on my skin


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: ShintoshiBTC on September 08, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
Yes.. I love to be part of the trend. Easy access to cash, easy access to paying the bills and stuff like that.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Wilikon on September 08, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
I don't see why not; cow farmers tag their cattle with chips, why not human farmers?

So who volunteers to be the cows? I am sure I would rather be the butcher at the slaughterhouse :-)



Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: Bonam on September 08, 2014, 06:43:27 PM
Well first the answer is no. I just dont want something implanted in me. There is no control in buying what I like.

Care to elaborate what you mean? You could buy whatever implant you would like, or none at all.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: dKingston on September 08, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
It scares me to think of the children they should have such chips
at birth. I disagree because I prefer my privacy to a chip with no
doubt, although one positive thing would be that if everyone is
chipped, the crime would decrease.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: InwardContour on September 09, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
In my opinion in some years the chips will be so popular that everyone will have an implant or more than one.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: BigGameCAsino on September 10, 2014, 03:42:34 PM
Yes.. I think within 60 years, majority of the people will have implant I guess.


Title: Re: Is there a microchip implant in your future?
Post by: fredthegambler on September 15, 2014, 02:41:29 PM
No.. microchip will be useless from where I am today. :)