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Title: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: reeses on April 14, 2012, 08:19:00 PM x
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: JWU42 on April 14, 2012, 08:25:32 PM Do we know for sure that BFL warranty is transferable?
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Littleshop on April 15, 2012, 12:37:33 AM Do we know for sure that BFL warranty is transferable? By US federal law and FTC regulations, they would have to make an explicit statement of limitation if this were the case. IANAL Nothing like that is required under federal law for devices considered commercial. Most people would consider a BFL a commercial device, not a consumer device. Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Littleshop on April 15, 2012, 01:50:04 AM Do we know for sure that BFL warranty is transferable? By US federal law and FTC regulations, they would have to make an explicit statement of limitation if this were the case. IANAL Nothing like that is required under federal law for devices considered commercial. Most people would consider a BFL a commercial device, not a consumer device. YANAL. Consumer means "for personal use" and not a buyer for resale. BFL could try to split hairs on this, but they'd lose. IANAL and YANAL This has nothing to do with resale and wholesale. Commercial items, (think items used in business, printing presses, restaurant equipment, office copiers) are not covered by the federal warranty act at all. You could argue that a BFL could be used at home, but YOU WOULD LOSE if you were trying to say that it would have to be covered by the federal warranty act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act "A "consumer product" is generally any tangible personal property for sale and that is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes." Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: JWU42 on April 15, 2012, 03:19:18 AM SO... the bigger questions is who will pay 300BTC ;D ???
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: OgNasty on April 15, 2012, 03:28:42 AM I'd go 150.
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 15, 2012, 05:06:28 AM you should do a raffle! :P
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Fiyasko on April 15, 2012, 05:53:02 AM lol why do people keep typing (letter)ANAL ;D
you should do a raffle! :P RAFFLE!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: legolouman on April 15, 2012, 05:59:13 AM I feel like I'm missing something. Why 300 BTC for a $600 USD product?
Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 15, 2012, 06:05:07 AM I feel like I'm missing something. Why 300 BTC for a $600 USD product? OP addressed that in.. section "1)" *note in section "2)" OP does not guarantee it is operational.. anyone willing to pay that much for a possibly non working single (or working) is... whats the word.. oh ya stupid! Title: Re: Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Epoch on April 15, 2012, 06:27:53 AM Asking $1400 for a $600 product is beyond ridiculous; merely suggesting it is a good way of losing whatever respect you may have here. The 'reasons' you give in (1) are ludicrous.
And in case people aren't aware, BFL Singles have no serial number or other identifying markings on them. The only way BFL has of knowing whether a unit is in or out of warranty is their record of when they sold what to who. If you buy one 2nd/3rd hand and call up BFL saying the unit has a problem or is DOA, BFL has no record that they ever sold anything to you. They have no way of knowing how old your unit is. So if you can't prove it is within warranty, you are SOL. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 16, 2012, 06:11:59 AM Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Qoheleth on April 16, 2012, 06:28:06 PM No, he sent me a gpg-signed message saying he was not shakaru. I don't understand how this proves anything.Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: jamesg on April 16, 2012, 06:31:51 PM No, he sent me a gpg-signed message saying he was not shakaru. I don't understand how this proves anything.As long as he sent the BTC...... Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 16, 2012, 07:03:09 PM No, he sent me a gpg-signed message saying he was not shakaru. I don't understand how this proves anything.Here, I'll show you: Code: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- And now you have a cryptographic proof that I am not shakaru. Did that help? I can go into the math behind GPG if you'd like, but most people aren't terribly interested in crypto :( Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: JusticeForYou on April 16, 2012, 07:24:19 PM No, he sent me a gpg-signed message saying he was not shakaru. I don't understand how this proves anything.Here, I'll show you: Code: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- And now you have a cryptographic proof that I am not shakaru. Did that help? I can go into the math behind GPG if you'd like, but most people aren't terribly interested in crypto :( This should come back as Good Unknown Trust. Which it did. Others could sign copumpkins gpg key without ever meeting or knowing him just to prove that the <nick> is the copumpkin that we know and love but not his actual identity. Be aware though, unless the gpg key is signed by others that you are known to trust. It is possible that an entity created another public key with a different identity. So unsigned public keys should only be used to lock someone into a <nick>, not an actual identity. Signing someones key usually means that they have met them IRL. Or an authority has signed it, like verisign, work, government, or some other entity. I find this concept really interesting. An unknown physical identity doesn't need to be known but a known <nick> can be used as an identity for transaction and that alt nick takes on an identity of itself and treated as a real identity. Sorry for the rant. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: mila on April 16, 2012, 08:28:12 PM I find this concept really interesting. An unknown physical identity doesn't need to be known but a known <nick> can be used as an identity for transaction and that alt nick takes on an identity of itself and treated as a real identity. pity he's not using otc web of trust with that key. that would help to see if he used it in other trades or not (since it's sold I assume it's safe now to hijack the thread with the issue of signing other people keys) https://www.xkcd.com/364/ is the new topic in executive summary format ; ) Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Qoheleth on April 16, 2012, 08:43:11 PM Others could sign copumpkins gpg key without ever meeting or knowing him just to prove that the <nick> is the copumpkin that we know and love but not his actual identity. Ah, okay. The web-of-trust component is what I was missing; I'm used to thinking of keys as being self-signed. Makes sense now.Be aware though, unless the gpg key is signed by others that you are known to trust. It is possible that an entity created another public key with a different identity. So unsigned public keys should only be used to lock someone into a <nick>, not an actual identity. Signing someones key usually means that they have met them IRL. Or an authority has signed it, like verisign, work, government, or some other entity. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 16, 2012, 10:04:31 PM I find this concept really interesting. An unknown physical identity doesn't need to be known but a known <nick> can be used as an identity for transaction and that alt nick takes on an identity of itself and treated as a real identity. pity he's not using otc web of trust with that key. that would help to see if he used it in other trades or not (since it's sold I assume it's safe now to hijack the thread with the issue of signing other people keys) https://www.xkcd.com/364/ is the new topic in executive summary format ; ) How am I not? Code: gpg: Signature made Mon Apr 16 15:01:51 2012 EDT using RSA key ID 9280FBD6 and check my key ID at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=copumpkin Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 16, 2012, 10:05:11 PM Ah, okay. The web-of-trust component is what I was missing; I'm used to thinking of keys as being self-signed. Makes sense now. Yeah, but the whole thing was just me and reeses trolling. It's obviously not possible to cryptographically prove that you're not someone :) Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: mila on April 16, 2012, 10:22:30 PM How am I not? f*ck, i need more coffee (or sleep) /me was searching for com* instead of co* or cop* <drama> mea culpa, mea cupla, mea maxima culpa my initial post lost meaning. please show me the way to the seppuku thread </drama> Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Pipesnake on April 16, 2012, 11:38:01 PM The unit has been sold. Sucker born every minute.Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 17, 2012, 12:35:05 AM Different people value time differently. The fact that reeses's buyer valued an immediate delivery more than many might have doesn't make him a sucker. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 17, 2012, 01:10:32 AM Different people value time differently. The fact that reeses's buyer valued an immediate delivery more than many might have doesn't make him a sucker. nah.. reeses buyer = sucker Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: Pipesnake on April 17, 2012, 03:28:01 AM For 300 btc you could have purchased 2 X6500 boards for the same mh/s at more than double the efficiency (with leftover btc for a third board).
Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 17, 2012, 08:29:18 AM call me conspiratorial but I dont think the OP ever even had a single.. nor did the op even sell one for 300 btc.. anyone who would buy one that price without pics and without proof it works is plainly an idiot.. just the thoughts of a feral cat.
Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: JusticeForYou on April 17, 2012, 08:33:54 AM call me conspiratorial but I dont think the OP ever even had a single.. nor did the op even sell one for 300 btc.. anyone who would buy one that price without pics and without proof it works is plainly an idiot.. just the thoughts of a feral cat. How much would someone pay for a new iPhone model with a restricted production time frame? Especially, if it was a chinese buyer purchasing it. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 17, 2012, 08:41:26 AM call me conspiratorial but I dont think the OP ever even had a single.. nor did the op even sell one for 300 btc.. anyone who would buy one that price without pics and without proof it works is plainly an idiot.. just the thoughts of a feral cat. How much would someone pay for a new iPhone model with a restricted production time frame? Especially, if it was a chinese buyer purchasing it. is that with or without the duct tape to get a signal? Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: jamesg on April 17, 2012, 09:46:03 AM It was a huge false flag exercise so gigavps can sell all of his for 300+ BTC each and pay for his rigs. I feel honored to be a part of the conspiracy. ;) If anyone wants to buy a BFL single from me for 300 BTC, PM me. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: JusticeForYou on April 17, 2012, 09:51:31 AM It was a huge false flag exercise so gigavps can sell all of his for 300+ BTC each and pay for his rigs. I feel honored to be a part of the conspiracy. ;) If anyone wants to buy a BFL single from me for 300 BTC, PM me. I'll sell giga's BFL single for 400 BTC. I don't think he'll mind. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 17, 2012, 09:55:16 AM call me conspiratorial but I dont think the OP ever even had a single.. nor did the op even sell one for 300 btc.. anyone who would buy one that price without pics and without proof it works is plainly an idiot.. just the thoughts of a feral cat. It was a huge false flag exercise so gigavps can sell all of his for 300+ BTC each and pay for his rigs. The exchange was f2f with a local who turned out to be an indirect professional connection. So he got a single and a coffee for 300 BTC. I must ask, why do you care so much? You make a lot of assumptions with no information or knowledge and appear to get emotional over whatever "conspiratorial" fantasies you invent. you must have sold it to the village idiot then.. me caring or not is irrelevant its your post.. as I said call me conspiratorial.. but being a potenetial buyer I dont think you ever had one.. and I dont think you ever had any intention of selling one.. I think you just wanted attention.. Ill be your friend. I like friends.. ;D Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 17, 2012, 09:56:48 AM It was a huge false flag exercise so gigavps can sell all of his for 300+ BTC each and pay for his rigs. I feel honored to be a part of the conspiracy. ;) If anyone wants to buy a BFL single from me for 300 BTC, PM me. I'll sell giga's BFL single for 400 BTC. I don't think he'll mind. You should buy it and sell it to the locals in resses town for 600 btc.. they apparently buy anything absurdly overpriced By the way you should lock this thread this item has been SOLD! Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 17, 2012, 12:30:13 PM you must have sold it to the village idiot then.. me caring or not is irrelevant its your post.. as I said call me conspiratorial.. but being a potenetial buyer I dont think you ever had one.. and I dont think you ever had any intention of selling one.. I think you just wanted attention.. Ill be your friend. I like friends.. ;D Uh, he's well trusted and known on IRC, and has a high WOT rating. He doesn't appear particularly attention-starved. Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: copumpkin on April 17, 2012, 04:46:10 PM you must have sold it to the village idiot then.. me caring or not is irrelevant its your post.. as I said call me conspiratorial.. but being a potenetial buyer I dont think you ever had one.. and I dont think you ever had any intention of selling one.. I think you just wanted attention.. Ill be your friend. I like friends.. ;D Uh, he's well trusted and known on IRC, and has a high WOT rating. He doesn't appear particularly attention-starved. I, on the other hand, am starving for attention. Please respond to my comment now! Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: rjk on April 17, 2012, 05:25:28 PM you must have sold it to the village idiot then.. me caring or not is irrelevant its your post.. as I said call me conspiratorial.. but being a potenetial buyer I dont think you ever had one.. and I dont think you ever had any intention of selling one.. I think you just wanted attention.. Ill be your friend. I like friends.. ;D Uh, he's well trusted and known on IRC, and has a high WOT rating. He doesn't appear particularly attention-starved. I, on the other hand, am starving for attention. Please respond to my comment now! You are a respected and well-known security expert, and are very attractive and fetching. You're the whole package! Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: rjk on April 17, 2012, 07:51:13 PM You've seen his package? :o Two options here. You are a
Title: Re: [SOLD] Unused BFL Single, Revision 3, 300BTC delivered in USA Post by: dirtycat on April 18, 2012, 02:25:19 AM You've seen his package? :o Two options here. You are a
Why is everyone thinking of options for looking at a package.. when the real question should be.. "why is his package hanging out for everyone to see?" |