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Closing this as there was no proven scam that occurred, some suspicious behavior/activity though. Please PM me if you have any relevant information regarding this case. Have removed my negative trust for now unless more information comes to light



The accused's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=325471

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He's been demodded from primedice, It is really painful to do so as he's been active for quite some time but the evidence seems pretty conclusive. He also emails us from a "joshjones" email. It's just really sad because he seemed like a geniunely nice guy but his interests seem to be in a long-con. Being a moderator on primedice or any website is not proof of trust, be careful and only lend to those who provide collateral.


As always I will gladly read and consider some sort of rebuttal from Anony.

Sorry to see such a cool guy get de-modded, but you gotta do what you gotta do I guess.

good looking out stunna

hard decision for you stunna . . but lets wait for anony's explanation

I won't lie, I was PlanKton/DestiiX but I never once scammed someone. I shutdown a site that was being run by a low life scammer who was taking others BTC. I received a 0.15 loan from bipolarbob, which I repaid back .35 to months ago. And yes I have been asking for a pretty significant loan, and was only mentioning that I was a mod for PD, not basing the entire loan upon that though. I have not one time taken out a loan from someone and not repaid, in fact I've only ever received 1 loan, the 0.15 from bipolarbob.

I'd like to hear more from minerdirect about this, for what reason would you create alt accounts to request loans though in the first place. You could have asked for such loans from anony directly?

Those accounts were way before I even made Anony, when I first started in btc, and before I even started in PD. None the less, shutting down a site due to the owner being a lying bag of trash, is not being a scammer, nor do I like being labeled as a scammer. Like I said, I have received one loan from bipolarbob, which was a .15 loan for a week and I repaid .35 back to him, I am far from being a scammer, or don't you think I would have taken money from all of the PD members who have trusted me in HOLDING their btc for them? Come on Stunna, I have done nothing but be a part of the family here at PD, and it's where I call home.


Also, you won't hear much from minerdirect as other members of the bitcointalk community soon realized I was right about him, and soon began uncovering the truth. Haven't seen him since.

I took from the scammers and gave to the poor, gave the rest to the guy that deserves it the most, purposely went all-in looking to lose, look at it as a farewell gift from me Stunna. Thanks for the amazing opportunity to moderate the best site I have ever stumbled upon.

Farewell.

https://i.imgur.com/ekObfek.png

I'll reserve final personal judgement when I get the full story from minerdirect or perhaps someone who has neg trusted you in the past such as tomatocage.

Given the fact that minerdirect was ratted out to be a lying scammer and hasn't been active in over 2 months, I highly doubt you will be hearing from him. As I said, I took from the scammers, gave to the poor, and gave more to the man that deserves it. I am hereby retiring from BTC, thanks for the opportunity, I left you a little gift on the HR tab, farewell present. Take care Stunna.

I personally don't take anything Tomatocage says seriously, as well as the other guys with the HUGE positive trust. It's almost like they're all in an occult of wanna-be moderators on bitcointalk.

I don't know Anony very well, nor do I know anything about MinerDirect. But it just seems to me like this could of been worked out in private, no need to make a big post about it and single Anony out.


All I can say, is that Anony is 10x more active than MinerDirect, and I've never seen him scam anyone, in fact I've mostly seen him just give tips out on PD3. I've never seen him abuse his power or anything remotely close to that. So I really do feel for him right now, I don't really think it's fair to judge him based on what he did months ago, to a site, that really doesn't seem all that legit from what I've read.


All of that^ being said. I still don't understand why you took down MinerDirect, you say they were scamming people but what exactly were they doing?


This all could of been avoided though, if you were upfront about it Anony. I don't know how Stunna picked you to be a mod, but didn't he ask something along the lines of past experience? You could of brought it up then.


I understand that it would still of looked bad if you were to of brought it up in the beginning, but it wouldn't look like it does now :/



ALLLL OF THAT^ being said I still think Anony is a good guy overall. And I'm sorry that he got demoted.


Stunna I doubt you'll hear anything from MinerDirect if they haven't been online since June and their site does not work.
I don't know if you pay your moderators either, but in this case I'd think some severance BTC would go a long way. Anony has done great work up til you demoted him.


I just feel very torn about this too because I like Anony and he is the last person I would of expected to see this thread about, but at the same time you're just trying to protect yourself and your site Stunna, which is completely understandable.

That's why I think you should pay him for his past services

And I think you should just agree to retire Anony. Whether what you did to MinerDirect was justified or otherwise, it still doesn't look good for Stunna to have you as a mod anymore. I'm sorry :/

I really put a lot of thought into this post too, I came here and started writing it right after I saw that Anony was demoted. I hope you don't dislike me for thinking that you should retire as Mod. I'm just trying to look at this from your perspective Anony, and Stunna's as a business owner.

Really? Why not? Can you cite any examples of me abusing the trust system, or levying negative trust at random for no good reason? Please enlighten us.

The site had some dice games that you could play, that were not fair at all, you would lose any amount of BTC that you wagered, no matter what the out come of the roll was. And as for I could have been upfront, no one ever questioned me about whether or not I was the one who crashed the site. This was months ago, and the way I look at it, I stopped a scammer and now all of a sudden I'm the one being put out as the scammer? Also I'm not looking to be paid for the services I provided to PD while I moderated, I volunteered for the position and did it out of enjoyment. I appreciate the opportunity Stunna gave me to be a mod, and I looked at it as more of a privilege than a job.

Well for one your reference on Anony's alt is because he wanted to $10 with paypal, it doesn't look as though the trade even happened, and his posts only said he wanted to buy with paypal, so how is he a scammer?


Anony: I'm wasn't wondering if he asked you if you crashed the site, but "if you had experience doing a moderators job before PD", did he ask you that or something like that?


If he did not ask you any sort of question like that, and you never lied to him, then (after thinking from 7:30 am til 1:25 PM my time, about this) I'd have to say it was a very piss poor decision of Stunna to just post this accusation without even talking you first as it looks like he did, as he was still waiting for a rebuttal from you as of OP. You've been a mod for (idk I just joined PD recently) a while and have done a good job thus far, no one can argue that;
but the point I want to make with this paragraph is that that I'm saying a sarcastic and exasperated "Really???" to Stunna because its like, why would you not try to get this figured out with Anony first before defaming him to the public, and completely demoting him.
I guess Australians do "guilty until proven innocent" ::)


If I were you Anony, I wouldn't be too upset; if he even ever offered again your position back you should decline because you don't deserve to be persecuted publicly like this.

 

No, I came to Stunna offering to moderate chat. At the time there was only a mod on every couple of hours, leaving the chat open to trolls and scammers for hours upon hours at a time. I got tired of seeing this, So I came to Stunna and offered my help. He never asked me if I had experience in moderating any type of chat/site, all we discussed was that I spent a LOT of time on PD and that I had numerous members nominate me for moderate before I even came to Stunna asking for the position.

It wasn't because of the $10 PayPal request. It was because of evidence presented in the thread which, if you read through it, indicates that the account was an alt of a known scammer.

I'd love to clear this issue up and remove the negative trust. So far I've given you 3 or 4 BTC addresses to digitally sign. Have you had any luck with any of them?

"Known scammer" I was accused of scamming because minerdirect got butthurt that I put a halt to his scamming website, I never once took anything from anyone. Like I said in an earlier post, I have received one loan that was 0.15 from bipolarbob, which i returned 0.35 within a week, I'm not a scammer and never have been.

Yeah man, I'm following this thread. My negative rating is subject to change as more facts are presented. Nothing is set in stone :)

Can't really give you any more facts since minerdirect has been offline for over 2 months, and that site no longer exists lol

What about Dr Crypto's negative trust on you?

Dude, this was a while back, I don't even know what all the negative trust was for anymore. As far as I am aware any negative trust I received was for the minerdirect crash that I caused. I have used the account "Anony" for longer than both of the other accounts combined. This is who I am, and who I plan on being. Neg trust or not, I haven't done anything wrong, unless stopping a scammer is wrong now?

So ive read all the evidence and i still dont see where anony scammed btc from someone

hmm..this is complicated. :-X
I hope this problem will be clear when a time has come.

But Stunna still decide to left negative trust to him...

What's done is done. Clearly Stunna has higher authority than I do, and what he says goes. I personally see no evidence of me scamming anyone at any point in time, and clearly the rest you of feel the same. I don't think I've seen one comment on here, nor in PD chat where someone even believes I would do this. I simply shutdown a site that was scamming others, the owner of the site gets his feelings hurt, and at the time had a higher rank on bitcointalk and claimed I scammed him. Of course people believed him at first, because he was an older member than myself, but soon they realized I wasn't lying, nor did I scam him. It's as simple as that folks, nothing I did was wrong.

I didnt take look at "proofs" coz im on phone and on vacation, dont have time for that.

But what i can say , all should be checked carefully. Coz in my opinion Anony is honest guy I would never think of him as a scammer. I think I loaned like .1 once to him . And he paid back . That was done over skype i think i can get logs when i get back home.

Anyways i think he is good guy and he was good mod. So Stunna pls take good look at everything and decide urself. Again i didn't take look at all this, I'm just giving my opinion. When i take a look at it i will give second opinion on this.

Well has there been any explanation about why a huge loan was being requested?  Unfortunately when I see someone involved with a gamlbing website and also making a bet over 1 BTC the thought of compulsive gambling go through my mind.

I was needing the loan to purchase some tools I needed for work, although this was before I lost my job due to a car accident I was in. But that's beside the point. Asking for a loan, and actually scamming someone and being labeled a scammer are two completely different things. Also I wouldn't normally wager 1btc on a bet, this was to prove a point. I wagered all the btc that I owned with intentions on losing so Stunna would receive the balance in his wallet.

I assume Stunna has been thinking this over some as it no longer calls you a scammer and now just says suspicious activity.  He will likely review the case and take the actions he feel best. 


Hope for the best for you Anony!

Well I'm certainly still labeled as a scammer. I've given Stunna all the proof that I have that says I'm not a scammer, have had numerous people vouch for me, and honestly have 0 evidence against me that says I am a scammer. I don't know what else there is to do, other than to wait it out.

Well hopefully he removes the negative trust as he hasn't shown proof of you being a scammer.

The only thing that has been shown is that I've been labeled a scammer for simply stopping an actual scammer lol

Vouch in what way though? Saying they think you're a nice guy or have paid back small loans isn't proof that you're not a scammer as that's how long conners will work. I haven't looked over all the evidence thoroughly so I'm not accusing you of anything, but have you explained the joshjones email which was brought up in one of the other scam accusations somewhere?

See that's why you need to read the full thread. I have already said that I owned both of the other accounts that were labeled scammers, which one of the accounts used the email joshjones. That is where there is a connection. I was labeled as a scammer simply because I crippled a site that was scammer others, the owner of that site had higher reputation on bitcointalk than I did at the time and made accusations that I scammed him in order to get back at me for stopping his scam site. Soon after I dropped the two old accounts and made the new "Anony" account people started realizing that I in fact was telling the truth, and that minerdirect was a lying piece of shit scammer and minerdirect closed down his website and hasn't been active on bitcointalk in over 2 months. Instead of trying to redeem both of the accounts labeled as scammers before, I just decided to stick with the "Anony" persona I had. Like I said earlier, I have not once scammed someone. Even the accusation minerdirect had on me was for 0.1btc and I have held MUCH more than that for members of the PD community. So why would I scam him out of 0.1 but not take btc worth 10x-20x as much from someone else exactly? Nothing that has been posted here even resembles me being a scammer, and I'm currently labeled as such and the OP has seemingly decided to stop responding to the thread and this situation.

I was Head Staff (resigned before whatever fate caused it to shut down, though) on MinerDirect. I do not know what exactly happened to cause MD to shut down but at the time that Anony destroyed MinerDirect there were no scams going on. There were a couple issues regarding lottos but AFAIK they were all resolved. Anony. PlanKton.

You told me that you had no way of paying back the loan in IRC, remember? The one you took from the admin. I think you've forgetten that.

You are a scammer. Get lost.

I'm not going to continue arguing this, Stunna has all the proof he needs to make a decision on his own. I have personal things I have to attend to in real life and don't have time for stupid drama like this. I really don't care at this point.

I mention the loan, so you run away, eh?

Alright. Bye.

A person that really intends to leave, usually doesn't announce it. Especially not on 2 different places. If you truly have real life troubles then just please go for your own sake. In the case that you truly haven't done anything, I understand wanting to clear your reputation. But it is an online reputation, and it should never be as remotely important as your real life.

I'm not running away, I just have other/more important things I need to be putting my energy into. All I have to say has been said in the posts above, nothing more I can/need to say. MD was a scammer, people ratted him out, he closed the site, and has since disappeared. I simply realized this before anyone else and he got his feelings hurt and used his rep over me and labeled me a scammer. Yes I did receive a .1 "loan" from the owner of MD, and no I wasn't going to return it simply due to the fact that it was scammed from me to begin with. But I never once took anything that didn't belong to me with intentions of not returning it. Stunna, I hope you have enough proof to make whatever decision you decide to make, but like I said, I simply don't care at this point. Whats done is done.

I don't know whether MD was a scammer or not as I resigned due to me wanting to do other things and I didn't see the "fall" of MD, but I know that you did loan scam. Whether MD was a scammer or not is irrelevant. Scamming a "scammer" doesn't make it right.

I took back what he took from me, nothing more.

Look, I agree that scamming a scammer is not at all right. I was angry, upset, and wasn't thinking straight. I had spent a lot of time on that forum building trust and friends just to figure out it was all a lie being led by a guy who was out for nothing more than to fill his pockets. I was just starting fresh with BTC, getting to know the ropes. I had earned the 0.1 btc I had lost on a game he had on the forum that was setup to lose no matter what, I (at the time) figured I would get it back, so I asked him for a 0.1 loan then proceeded to delete all content from the site to stop him from scamming anyone else. I'm sorry if this looks bad in your eyes Diamond, but I thought I was helping everyone else by putting an end to it. But labeling me as a flat out scammer is unfair I believe, I didn't hurt anyone. In fact I'd like to believe I saved a lot of people from losing hard earned btc. I'm done arguing/fighting to explain myself, and the actions I made several months ago that I believed to be helpful more than harmful.

Then why on Earth didn't you publicly announce that he was a scammer rather than just deleting the forum and running off and screwing over everyone? Your story doesn't fully add up to me. I myself did have my own suspicions - but they were just that, suspicions - about MD but if MD did turn out to be a scammer I would have simply announced it and made sure no-one continued using MD. What you did is like scamming the admin and then DDoSing Bitcointalk because you don't like the admin.

I was the one Anony requested the 2btc loan from. Part of the reason why I denied it was because he tried to use irrelevant mod status as leverage to get the loan. It would have been too easy to run off with 2btc with a new account, especially now that his reputation is soiled.

I didn't fully buy into the story to buy tools either  ;).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=701592.msg8567485#msg8567485

So you gambled, lost, gambled again, lost again, then deleted the entire thing b/c it was "rigged"?  Also deleting any "proof" you had that it was rigged?  Riiiigggttt....

Like I said, I'm done arguing/fighting to prove my point. I have said all that I can say on the situation and I just honestly don't have the energy to defend myself fully right now. Other than that 0.1btc I took back from minerdirect that was scammed from me, I have not taken any amount of btc from anyone else. Yeah I deleted a bunch of content from the forum but all he had to do was do a roll back, which he did. The site was up for another month or so before some other people started realizing it was a scam, resulting in him just shutting the site down. The reason I didn't publicly out him is because he would have just put it back on me somehow, just like he did with the 0.1btc that I took back, labeling me a scammer. He had rep over me, and people believed anything he said, I was screwed either way. Anyway, do whatever you're going to do, I see it being an inevitable fate in the end no matter what. Good guys always come out on bottom right?

We might've not lost BTC but some people, ESPECIALLY me, lost a LOT of valuable time that we invested. I'm still not happy about that. If you found a discovery that proved a scam you should've offered CONCRETE evidence of it. Not this bull.

And I apologize, during the process there were some things that I could have handled better. But in the end all that mattered was getting rid of a scammer.