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Title: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: awesome31312 on September 04, 2014, 01:11:50 PM Total Received 0.14522078 BTC
Final Balance 0.02576602 BTC What's weird is that I'm supposed to have 0.03+ BTC What's REALLY weird is that I do, but every time I make a transaction, it sort of "refreshes" my final balance, meaning I can spend more than 0.03 BTC, but it SHOWS I have 0.02, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: Rubber Ducky on September 04, 2014, 01:20:35 PM A wallet is a collection of addresses. It moves bitcoins from one address to another as you conduct transactions. If you take any one address and start looking up its balance on blockchain.info you will be confused. It won't give you the complete picture. So simple solution is to a) understand that your wallet is managing multiple addresses for you b) stop looking at blockchain.info!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apart from the above if you want more detailed information then please read about change addresses (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change) and before asking any follow up questions search the forum because this keeps coming up all the time! Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: BunsenBurner on September 04, 2014, 01:58:41 PM Very likely some of your bitcoin is now in your change addresses.
If you are using bitcoin core, you can click "Help", "Debug Window", "Console" and enter "listunspent" to see which addresses your bitcoin is in. Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: SOAD on September 04, 2014, 02:18:33 PM What wallet are you using? I've read that sometimes one like blockchain.info wotn synch up right, but bitcoins can't really get lost.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: MUFC on September 04, 2014, 02:19:36 PM What's REALLY weird is that I do, but every time I make a transaction, it sort of "refreshes" my final balance, meaning I can spend more than 0.03 BTC, but it SHOWS I have 0.02, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Have all your coins confirmed fully? Maybe post your wallet addresses if you're ok with that and people can offer further advice. Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: KIRAZ on September 04, 2014, 02:38:56 PM Which wallet are you using there, What's your address and is there any unconfirmed tx there?
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: Mybitcoinz on September 04, 2014, 03:11:13 PM Maybe it's a bug of your wallet, what are you using, Multibit?
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: minerpumpkin on September 04, 2014, 03:26:13 PM You could give us the addresses you're using and we cant try and point out some of the potential problems you're experiencing! It could for example be that you've spend too much on transaction fees. Maybe some of the inputs aren't confirmed and thus aren't spendable yet. Maybe your lightweight client got hiccups and you could try and refresh the chain.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: DannyHamilton on September 04, 2014, 03:32:03 PM My best guess is that you are using a wallet that uses new addresses for change.
To verify this, you need to answer a few simple questions:
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: awesome31312 on September 04, 2014, 04:47:17 PM My best guess is that you are using a wallet that uses new addresses for change. Yes; To all who asked, I'm using the Armory client Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: hyperdimension on September 04, 2014, 07:01:54 PM This is weird. Look the address in the blockchain.info page for movements.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: MightyBTC on September 04, 2014, 07:05:39 PM Total Received 0.14522078 BTC Blockchain final balance is what you might be talking about? That doesn't matters you will get bitcoin onto your client and are spendable after certain confirmations on the networkFinal Balance 0.02576602 BTC What's weird is that I'm supposed to have 0.03+ BTC What's REALLY weird is that I do, but every time I make a transaction, it sort of "refreshes" my final balance, meaning I can spend more than 0.03 BTC, but it SHOWS I have 0.02, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: BunsenBurner on September 04, 2014, 08:04:36 PM My best guess is that you are using a wallet that uses new addresses for change. Yes; To all who asked, I'm using the Armory client In that case, you should find addresses in your Armory client with the label "[[ Change received ]]." https://bitcoinarmory.com/about/faqs/ Quote Why is there a "[[ Change received ]]" address listed in my wallet? When you create a bitcoin (BTC) transaction, it's much like spending cash at a merchant. When you pay more for an item than it costs, you are returned the excess payment or “change.” Here's how it works.Alice has 10 BTC in her wallet and wants to send 2 BTC to Bob. Alice doesn't have a wallet with exactly 2 BTC, so when she creates the transaction and selects “send,” Alice actually sends the entire 10 BTC. However, the entire amount does not go to Bob.Instead, when the transaction was created, the Armory client automatically created the new unused “[[ Change received ]]” address for Alice because she is owed 8 BTC back in excess payment. It's normal for most wallet applications to select a change address for you. The change address is important because sending coins back to the original address reduces your privacy. The only time a change address is not used is if you have a previous transaction output that is exactly the same size as the recipient amount + fee. In other words, if you have exact change. When the transaction is processed, Bob receives 2 BTC to his wallet address and the remaining 8 BTC return back to Alice's wallet using the next automatically generated address, with the label "[[ Change received ]]." Change addresses are a normal part of wallet operation, and are intended to be mostly transparent to the user. They should not be treated differently than any other addresses. Ignore them. If you are an advanced user and wish to customize the change address behavior, you can do so when sending coins in "Expert Usermode". Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: awesome31312 on September 04, 2014, 08:40:18 PM Thanks guys. It was under "Total spendable funds" for me
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: cookiemonsterwhat on September 04, 2014, 09:11:23 PM You probably sent the wrong amount like I did lol.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: BitcoinHeroes on September 05, 2014, 01:11:41 AM Total Received 0.14522078 BTC Final Balance 0.02576602 BTC What's weird is that I'm supposed to have 0.03+ BTC What's REALLY weird is that I do, but every time I make a transaction, it sort of "refreshes" my final balance, meaning I can spend more than 0.03 BTC, but it SHOWS I have 0.02, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Try reinstalling your wallet, remember to backup your wallet.dat file.. Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: DubFX on September 05, 2014, 08:35:54 AM What wallet are you using? I've read that sometimes one like blockchain.info wotn synch up right, but bitcoins can't really get lost. I have never had problem with blockchain.info and i've transfered quite alot of money thought their mywallet.Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: InwardContour on September 05, 2014, 03:40:43 PM That's a really strange issue, I have never read before about that, the only thing I would do is to contact armory support in the alternative clients subforum.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: asganauei on September 05, 2014, 04:06:51 PM That's a really strange issue, I have never read before about that, the only thing I would do is to contact armory support in the alternative clients subforum. This is the Armory subforum, check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=97.0 Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: Banjiro on September 05, 2014, 04:16:24 PM What wallet are you using? Your wallet error.
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: BunsenBurner on September 05, 2014, 05:12:51 PM What wallet are you using? Your wallet error. He is using Armory, and the problem has been solved already. You should re-read post #10 and #14 in this thread. Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: DhaniBoy on September 09, 2014, 07:40:36 AM bitcoin could have been lost when the process of transfer from one wallet to another, the electronic transfer process in the virtual world sometimes have the drawbacks, nothing is perfect in this world, for it is something that must sometimes be understandable, hopefully sistem transfer dari satu wallet ke yang lainnya dapat segera di perbaiki, sehingga tidak merugikan nasabah ... :'(
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: ensurance982 on September 09, 2014, 11:01:54 AM Couldn't this be some kind of an inherent problem, if the funds can't be spent before some number of confirmations, even if the change goes back to the same address? Doesn't this lock up the coins unnecessarily?
Title: Re: Can Bitcoins get lost somewhere out there? Post by: DannyHamilton on September 09, 2014, 11:10:09 AM Couldn't this be some kind of an inherent problem, if the funds can't be spent before some number of confirmations, even if the change goes back to the same address? Doesn't this lock up the coins unnecessarily? It's generally safe to spend change after 1 confirmation. If your wallet doesn't allow this, then that's a limitation of the wallet you've chosen to use and not a limitation of the bitcoin protocol. Is it an inherent problem? Perhaps. In the same way that flammability is an inherent problem of paper currency. It's an attribute of the design that users need to be aware of and take the necessary precautions. Don't get your paper currency too close to fire. Don't store all of your bitcoins in a single output if you want to be able to spend portions of it faster than one transaction per 10 minutes. |