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Economy => Currency exchange => Topic started by: WME on April 17, 2012, 09:15:13 AM



Title: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on April 17, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Hello

Anybody know where is cryptoxchange staff gone?
My lawyer has sent them emails, letters in the begin of past week and still nobody don't answered at emails, letters from my lawyer (crypto owe me over $100K, do not give two months).

Or are you scared?
You've spent my money and decided to run away?


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 17, 2012, 09:31:26 AM
WTF is a loyal, dude? Your dog? If it's your dog then it's truly remarkable that he writes letters on your behalf :o


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: caveden on April 17, 2012, 10:07:47 AM
I think he means "lawyer"... or maybe not.


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 17, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
I think he means "lawyer"... or maybe not.

By his edit-fu I suppose you're right.
Damn, I should've quoted that post lol


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: WME on April 17, 2012, 10:59:32 AM
CryptoXchange.com is for sale
The owner of the domain you are researching has it listed for sale for $300

http://go.domaintools.com/redirect/market/?source=1&domain=cryptoxchange.com

300USD???


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 17, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
cryptoxchange.com
This premium domain is for sale in partnership with Sedo!

http://go.domaintools.com/redirect/market/?source=1&domain=cryptoxchange.com

300USD???

Maybe they're selling it for $300 to pay you ;D


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: cryptoxchange on April 17, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
Dear WME,

Our legal department is still working with the appropriate law enforcement agencies on your account activity.

CryptoXChange.com domain is not for sale and is doing business as regular.

Regards,
Crypto X Change.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on April 17, 2012, 11:43:31 AM
Dear WME,

Our legal department is still working with the appropriate law enforcement agencies on your account activity.

CryptoXChange.com domain is not for sale and is doing business as regular.

Regards,
Crypto X Change.

But what this?
http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?language=us&domain=cryptoxchange.com

And if you legal "working" why don't answer?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: arby on April 20, 2012, 07:59:25 AM
Well, I would not trust any exchanger with that large amount, because most of them can pull an AML (Anti Money Laundering) scheme, and they will freeze your account until their 'legal department' analyses the situation.

Not only exchangers use this tactic, affiliate marketers are also in the business of HOLDING money.

I know in 1% of the cases they may have some evidence about the ML, but in 99% they pull such stunts because they suspect the person and they take advantage of the situation.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: PatrickHarnett on April 20, 2012, 09:26:19 AM
google "Sedo scam" = poor proof

sub'ed and watching - have always had good service from these guys, including resolution of different problems with my account.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 20, 2012, 09:33:26 AM
@OP: Tell your story or get out. Cryptoxchange goes out of its way to be an honest business. If you have a general complaint with them, please feel free to voice it. If there is wrong doing, we'd all support you (so would they!), but this basically looks like drivel intended to slander.

Give details. Give explanations. And if that's all too personal, then why are you here?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 17, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
@OP: Tell your story or get out. Cryptoxchange goes out of its way to be an honest business. If you have a general complaint with them, please feel free to voice it. If there is wrong doing, we'd all support you (so would they!), but this basically looks like drivel intended to slander.

Give details. Give explanations. And if that's all too personal, then why are you here?

The lawyer said not to tell the details of the case as it may interfere with the court.
But it's truth:(


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on May 18, 2012, 03:12:33 AM
CryptoXchange.com is for sale
The owner of the domain you are researching has it listed for sale for $300

http://go.domaintools.com/redirect/market/?source=1&domain=cryptoxchange.com

300USD???

That's a bit baffling. (sub.)



This is old news.

Ken bought the domain from this guy before buying the exchange


Title: Re: Cryptoxchange gone? scam?
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on May 18, 2012, 05:11:03 AM

Ken bought the domain from this guy before buying the exchange

Ah. Thanks.


 :)


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: mrbrown on May 27, 2012, 12:59:35 AM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: cryptoxchange on May 27, 2012, 01:05:53 AM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on May 27, 2012, 01:19:30 AM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

Im sure this is a misunderstanding. The crypto guys are good people and on top of their shit.

Get in touch!


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 28, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: cryptoxchange on May 29, 2012, 04:29:33 AM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?

WME,

Go scam some one else.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: PatrickHarnett on May 29, 2012, 08:57:15 AM

WME,

Go scam some one else.


They are trying Tradehill as well.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 29, 2012, 04:58:52 PM

WME,

Go scam some one else.


They are trying Tradehill as well.


Tradehill not scam
They have paid your debt to me


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 29, 2012, 04:59:36 PM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?

WME,

Go scam some one else.


You haven't any answer on my questions?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: cryptoxchange on May 29, 2012, 05:03:28 PM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?

WME,

Go scam some one else.


You haven't any answer on my questions?

WME,

Open a support ticket with all of your information so support can resolve your issues.

Thanks


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 29, 2012, 05:23:02 PM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?

WME,

Go scam some one else.


You haven't any answer on my questions?

WME,

Open a support ticket with all of your information so support can resolve your issues.

Thanks

That's all you can answer on my questions by email, by emails, phone calls from lawyer?
So tickets opened over a month ago, number #1500151


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on May 29, 2012, 05:29:33 PM
That's all you can answer on my questions by email, by emails, phone calls from lawyer?
So tickets opened over a month ago, number #1500151

If you're going to communicate -publicly- with an exchange and air out your dirty laundry, give some details. Post your personal information, what happened, and back it up with evidence so that people can help you. Otherwise, be prepared to be told to shut up by everyone.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 29, 2012, 05:38:31 PM
wouldn't surprise me they owe me 2k been waiting for 3 months now still nothing in my bankaccount!

This does not sound right at all. If your account is marked suspicious and the compliance team has requested documents or more information, please contact the team ASAP!! Please book a ticket in the support system, If it were any longer than a week we would have known about this earlier!

Crypto X Change

EDIT: MrBrown has PM'd. MrBrown, our guys will look straight into this as soon as they receive your ticket. We appologise if something has gone wrong, it is quite possible that our payment / banking provider has mucked up and we will investigate and get the funds to you promptly once we have all the information and sort this out.

Thanks MrBrown!

Hi guys
Why you still don't look my ticket, my layer requests
What you waiting for? What you afraid?

WME,

Go scam some one else.


You haven't any answer on my questions?

WME,

Open a support ticket with all of your information so support can resolve your issues.

Thanks

That's all you can answer on my questions by email, by emails, phone calls from lawyer?
So tickets opened over a month ago, number #1500151

Open a support ticket, make sure you've complied with submitting notorized & opistlled documents stating for the use of Crypto X Change, be sure to upload them and post physical copies to the address provided for our identification processing.

Edit: Are you the depositor of the stolen Bitcoinica funds, who deposited them, then withdrew them hoping to clean them? It would seem you are the direct link to that, your original identification has also been marked as stolen.

I suggest you open a support ticket, submit notorized and opistlled documentation as already requested numerous times!



What rights you have to keep my money in?
When I registered the account I have fulfilled all of your checks, i has sent my docs, my account verified already!
If you're scared and changed the rules I do with it?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on May 29, 2012, 05:54:56 PM
As I have already explained, I bought them from a third party
Who stole what, do not steal, and so I do not know!
And third, bitcoins is an anonymous system, and how to hang a label, I Do not Know!

And in general what this has to do with my money that you owe me before history began with the "stolen" bitcoins

I repeat, the key question - to the stories of "stolen" bitcoins you I had to send me more than 100K USD!
After you have run all the excuses you have frozen my account login.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: darkgamer on May 31, 2012, 02:22:06 AM
As I have already explained, I bought them from a third party
Who stole what, do not steal, and so I do not know!
And third, bitcoins is an anonymous system, and how to hang a label, I Do not Know!

And in general what this has to do with my money that you owe me before history began with the "stolen" bitcoins

I repeat, the key question - to the stories of "stolen" bitcoins you I had to send me more than 100K USD!
After you have run all the excuses you have frozen my account login.
Please speak proper English so we can understand what you are saying. I haven't heard you explain this before. All you mentioned was that the site had it's domain name for sale and was purchased some time ago. what do you mean you bought them from 3rd party? Did you use the site to issue an exchange? The way you make it sound is that you bought them from someone who promised to send it to your account but didn't. If that is the case then you got ripped off and the site isn't at fault for that. Bitcoin is somewhat anonymous in that as long as you don't go around posting the bitcoin address, it can't be tied back to you. Have you tried looking on the http://blockchain.info/ (http://blockchain.info/) website to track your bitcoin? I don't see why you would do such a large transaction as most sites have anti money laundering services. I could see how it would take time to process such a large request and it would be easier to split that into smaller payments for easier processing. If the problem truly is with the site then you have to wait for your security ticket to be processed and that takes time. Maybe they froze your account for security purposes because you had a key logger on your machine and someone stole your passwords.Then started logging into the website or you are just trying to slander the website and they got pissed about you trying to scam the website. In this day and age people want proof of what you are saying otherwise we simply call it bullshit. I would start by being nice to people here, posting the bitcoin address that was used and then maybe people will want to help you.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: PatrickHarnett on May 31, 2012, 02:56:15 AM
And that excellent post was from someone with 11 posts to their credit.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: caveden on May 31, 2012, 07:20:06 AM
Please speak proper English so we can understand what you are saying. I haven't heard you explain this before. All you mentioned was that the site had it's domain name for sale and was purchased some time ago. what do you mean you bought them from 3rd party?
....

What I can understand from this topic is:

  • WME deposited a large sum of coins in CryptoXChange, sold them and tried to cash out the amount in USD (~100k according to him)
  • CryptoXChange froze his account and is denying withdraw, apparently, according to WME words, because those coins were stolen. I suspect CryptoXChange suspects WME is a thief.

Could WME and CryptoXChange confirm or deny my interpretation above?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: caveden on May 31, 2012, 07:31:52 AM
If you're going to communicate -publicly- with an exchange and air out your dirty laundry, give some details. Post your personal information, what happened, and back it up with evidence so that people can help you. Otherwise, be prepared to be told to shut up by everyone.

I also have a strong impression that WME is the one to blame here, simply because I don't think CryptoXChange would risk their reputation by "playing police".  The amount also makes it suspicious.
But, honestly, don't you think the burden of prove belongs to CryptoXChange in this case? WME has already said they are denying the withdraw, while he has already submitted the necessary docs - according to his words.

Perhaps the docs were an obvious forgery, perhaps CryptoXChange has strong evidence that WME is a thief, or perhaps they even have a court order restraining them from releasing the money.
But, by the innocence presumption principle, I'd say the burden of proof is on the exchange, not on the guy with his account frozen...

Anyway... these forums aren't a court either. CryptoXChange doesn't have an obligation to justify his actions here. It just might improve their already good reputation if they did, I believe.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: malaimult on May 31, 2012, 08:25:22 AM
caveden what i don;t understand is how someone exchange 100k using just one exchanger and using just a single exchange. Even if the btc are "clean" 100k still raise some questions.
what i see is the worst case scenario of money laundering gone bad


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on May 31, 2012, 08:29:43 AM
Bottom line gentlemen, if a legally licensed and publicly advertised exchange stole $100k of legitimate customer funds, the owner of those funds would fly to Australia, meet with Ken in person, contact the authorities, file a lawsuit, etc, not argue on a forum.

For that reason, I think the OP is just a Russian scammer who got caught. Too bad.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: caveden on May 31, 2012, 08:47:42 AM
I tend to agree with both of you.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: malaimult on May 31, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
that's right


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: mc_lovin on May 31, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
mod should change the title of this thread.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: WME on June 04, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
Sorry for my english, that not my native lang

I'm reseller
And such amount not amazing for me

100k that not one exchange
I begin work with crypto from january, at first i verified my account, previous i has exchange with them above 50-70k usd, sold bitcoins and got wires from crypto
Then crypto hold money and told that waiting approve from Mtgox, because they account over limit, then crypto wait money from mtgox
Than crypto not one time told that my wires has sent already but nothing i got!
They lie me
I have skype logs
That situation continues over 2 month, i wait my money over 2 month:(

Then when bitinstant begin work with crypto codes i was start exchange crypto code to mtgox and withdrawal to LR, but i lost too much %, and hope that crypto send MY MONEY!

Then i try to exchange over 20k bitcoins through crypto, which i take previous from one of my supplier, exchange some bitcoins, some has sent back to supplier when begin with my account some strange (password reseting and etc strange things).

Then crypto tell that last bitcoins stolen!
But not give me any proof!
Then froze my account and goodbye!

So that short retelling


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: malaimult on June 04, 2012, 05:03:39 PM
do you have any partners to confirm your story? or so called suppliers that you talking about?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: caveden on June 04, 2012, 05:09:53 PM
Than crypto not one time told that my wires has sent already but nothing i got!
They lie me
I have skype logs

If I understood this piece correctly, you're claiming that you have skype logs in which CryptoXChange says that your wires are on the way, while they are not.
If that's true, it would be shameful to CryptoXChange - even if WME is indeed a scammer, there's no reason for CryptoXChange to lie.
I find it more likely that you just didn't understand their English correctly. Check again. Somebody who doesn't consider 100K USD an amazing amount shouldn't have troubles finding a good English speaker to help. (and that includes helping with your writings here)


Now, WME, if what you say is true and you legitimately own this money, you should already be doing what Mathew said above: sue CryptoXChange. Demand them the money, plus indemnities for the time loss and other problems you might have had due to this. It should be easy to win such lawsuit if your claim is legit.
But you have to go to court, not to bitcointalk.org. Not only people here cannot help you, as they have strong reasons not to trust you.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 04, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
Than crypto not one time told that my wires has sent already but nothing i got!
They lie me
I have skype logs

If I understood this piece correctly, you're claiming that you have skype logs in which CryptoXChange says that your wires are on the way, while they are not.
If that's true, it would be shameful to CryptoXChange - even if WME is indeed a scammer, there's no reason for CryptoXChange to lie.
I find it more likely that you just didn't understand their English correctly. Check again. Somebody who doesn't consider 100K USD an amazing amount shouldn't have troubles finding a good English speaker to help. (and that includes helping with your writings here)


Now, WME, if what you say is true and you legitimately own this money, you should already be doing what Mathew said above: sue CryptoXChange. Demand them the money, plus indemnities for the time loss and other problems you might have had due to this. It should be easy to win such lawsuit if your claim is legit.
But you have to go to court, not to bitcointalk.org. Not only people here cannot help you, as they have strong reasons not to trust you.

Not to mention he hasn't provided a singled shred of evidence. It's just talk.

"I have logs! I have _____". So where are they? And if he refuses to show them, then why even say he has them? Isn't not showing them and not having them the same thing in the face of evidence?


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 06, 2012, 06:20:48 AM
I see no proof at all.


Title: Re: Crypto X Change (cryptoxchange.com) gone! Scam! Beware!
Post by: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 05:58:36 AM
I see no proof at all.

He has a whole thread of pictures. I don't see why all the hounds waste time on me when they should be hounding actual scammers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85977.0