Title: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 09, 2014, 12:40:13 PM http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/
also, lots of stuff if you google. A few things come to mind though: A few things come to mind about this whole fiascal-- 1) Wasn't there a witness that said Mike Brown charged at the officer 1st? (I know even that doesn't give the officer the right to fatally shoot him or does it?) 2) Has their been cases where caucasian unarmed potential suspect has been fatally gunned down by police? 3) it just seems like this whole thing isn't going to end too well... http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408116848048_wps_9_DO_NOT_USE_Michael_Brown_.jpg http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/michael-brown-surveillance-video-450x600.jpg Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on September 09, 2014, 03:57:29 PM 2) Has their been cases where caucasian unarmed potential suspect has been fatally gunned down by police? It has happened many times before. But the big difference is that the perpetrator was also from the same race. In such cases, no one can argue about the racial motivation for the shooting. Even if there was some incident where the victim was white and the perpetrator was black (was there any?), the media never gave it any publicity. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: williamj2543 on September 09, 2014, 03:58:43 PM I hate when people place the race card
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 06:13:47 PM I hate when people place the race card You cannot deny that this is a race based issue, Sir. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/29/1325816/-Comparing-How-The-New-York-Times-Described-Mike-Brown-Ted-Bundy (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/29/1325816/-Comparing-How-The-New-York-Times-Described-Mike-Brown-Ted-Bundy) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: counter on September 10, 2014, 03:47:50 AM I really don't know as I've not been following this story too closely. It became a very confusing issue for me after the first shooting took place. This second shooting was just adding to the confusion and no real facts came out. This whole "race issue" is slowing down the facts form getting out and who knows what will happen if people suspect a cover up. It's likely going to add to more confusion if you ask me. I can't believe how poorly these shootings were handled by the police, media and the people running a muck in the streets. It would be nice to get some updates on this whole fiasco.
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 09:51:33 AM 2) Has their been cases where caucasian unarmed potential suspect has been fatally gunned down by police? No, in fact, look at the comparison (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31/1324831/-White-man-jaywalks-with-gun-guess-what-happens) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 10:32:59 AM if and i say if the cops version turns out be true and brown did in fact punch him go for his gun and then make a run at him the shooting would seem to me to be entirely justified Unlikely. Two eyewitnesses testified that Brown had his hands up in the air when he got shot, and he was unarmed. Remember the autopsy report which proved that a lot of the witnesses lied on the day? Well, the truth just came out http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 11:11:50 AM Unlikely. Two eyewitnesses testified that Brown had his hands up in the air when he got shot, and he was unarmed. the witness in your article has a record for giving false info to the police and outstanding arrest warrant for theft. hardly the most credible and bear in mind these ppl stand to make a fortune telling their story just like the trayvon parents and friends.Remember the autopsy report which proved that a lot of the witnesses lied on the day? Well, the truth just came out http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/) No, that's the witness that lied on the day of the incident, you got the two confused. Speaking of Trayvon Martin, remember George Zimmerman? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody_n_3895388.html) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 12:14:46 PM No, that's the witness that lied on the day of the incident, you got the two confused. i'm not confused, theres only 1 Dorian JohnsonSpeaking of Trayvon Martin, remember George Zimmerman? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody_n_3895388.html) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732122/Revealed-Key-Michael-Brown-shooting-witness-Dorian-Johnson-arrest-warrant-theft-busted-lying-cops.html zimmerman charges were dropped not that its relevant to anything Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 12:58:05 PM Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color. Cops tend to patrol black neighborhoods more. Also, black people are often shot for minor offences, like jaywalking. Additionally, black people are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession, when compared to equal cannabis use from white people** **Sources: https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests (https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests) http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 10, 2014, 01:33:28 PM Cops tend to patrol black neighborhoods more. Also, black people are often shot for minor offences, like jaywalking. Additionally, black people are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession, when compared to equal cannabis use from white people** they patrol black areas more frequently because they are more likely to find criminals there.**Sources: https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests (https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests) http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html) And that is a direct violation of the Fourth. Race is not reasonable suspicion to get a warrant to get into someone's car, or pull them over and ask for papers if they look like they're Mexican. Let's fix this, as Americans, it is our moral duty to restore the constitution. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: dankkk on September 12, 2014, 03:27:54 AM Cops tend to patrol black neighborhoods more. Also, black people are often shot for minor offences, like jaywalking. Additionally, black people are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession, when compared to equal cannabis use from white people** they patrol black areas more frequently because they are more likely to find criminals there.**Sources: https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests (https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests) http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html) And that is a direct violation of the Fourth. Race is not reasonable suspicion to get a warrant to get into someone's car, or pull them over and ask for papers if they look like they're Mexican. Let's fix this, as Americans, it is our moral duty to restore the constitution. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on September 12, 2014, 05:25:50 AM Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color. Michael Brown was unarmed... so what? The fact that he wasn't carrying a firearm didn't stopped him from robbing a shop and beating one of the owners there to pulp. Even officer Wilson, who was carrying a firearm with him, suffered very serious facial injuries as a result of the assault by Michael Brown. Just because he wasn't carrying a firearm, that doesn't mean that he posed no danger to the civilized society. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 12, 2014, 08:18:36 AM There is also some evidence that shows that Michael Brown (and perhaps his family) are affiliated with bloods, which can be a quite violent gang/organization
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 12, 2014, 09:52:36 AM There is also some evidence that shows that Michael Brown (and perhaps his family) are affiliated with bloods, which can be a quite violent gang/organization May I see this evidence? Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color. Michael Brown was unarmed... so what? The fact that he wasn't carrying a firearm didn't stopped him from robbing a shop and beating one of the owners there to pulp. Even officer Wilson, who was carrying a firearm with him, suffered very serious facial injuries as a result of the assault by Michael Brown. Just because he wasn't carrying a firearm, that doesn't mean that he posed no danger to the civilized society. That was a hoax circulated by conservative sources, the picture was not of Officer Wilson Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 12, 2014, 12:55:38 PM There is also some evidence that shows that Michael Brown (and perhaps his family) are affiliated with bloods, which can be a quite violent gang/organization May I see this evidence? http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mike_brown-gangs.jpg http://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/mike-brown.jpeg?w=1200 http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/57f34c0bb00b36269aad221862b47ea92c038ceb/c=0-31-376-314&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/08/12/1407876204027-Brown-gallery-28.jpg]http:// http://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/michael-brown-funeral.jpg?w=1200 Red is a common theme here. I'm not saying Michael Brown was a bad kid. I just blame the culture and society. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 12, 2014, 01:10:11 PM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America.
You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 12, 2014, 01:18:42 PM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 12, 2014, 01:58:15 PM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 12, 2014, 02:30:50 PM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug Okay I really can't take you serious anymore. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Cannotthinkofusername on September 12, 2014, 06:34:46 PM The white burden? Lol I heard some people talking about this saying there was a "white burden" in a way that is kind of true as if the police man shot a Caucasian instead, there woudn't have been as much controversy.
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 12, 2014, 10:00:02 PM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug Okay I really can't take you serious anymore. I can't take anyone who assumes that making gang signs in selfies equates to someone being a gang member seriously Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 13, 2014, 12:10:36 AM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug Okay I really can't take you serious anymore. I can't take anyone who assumes that making gang signs in selfies equates to someone being a gang member seriously I never said he was a gang member. I said there is evidence that he COULD be gang AFFILIATED. You said the press makes him "appear as if he was a thug" The fuckin guy strong armed and assaulted a store clerk to get a box of cigars. Figure for yourself. You fuckin' tool/scumbag. IGNORED. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 13, 2014, 01:26:56 AM Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America. You should read this http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/) I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive. Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug Okay I really can't take you serious anymore. I can't take anyone who assumes that making gang signs in selfies equates to someone being a gang member seriously I never said he was a gang member. I said there is evidence that he COULD be gang AFFILIATED. You said the press makes him "appear as if he was a thug" The fuckin guy strong armed and assaulted a store clerk to get a box of cigars. Figure for yourself. You fuckin' tool/scumbag. IGNORED. Unless you're implying that he has the power to levitate. Ad Hominem attacks imply that you no longer wish to be civil because you have run out of arguments. Assaulting a store clerk does not necessarily mean he was affiliated with a gang, that's an illogical racial generalization. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: dankkk on September 13, 2014, 11:14:19 PM There is also some evidence that shows that Michael Brown (and perhaps his family) are affiliated with bloods, which can be a quite violent gang/organization May I see this evidence? Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color. Michael Brown was unarmed... so what? The fact that he wasn't carrying a firearm didn't stopped him from robbing a shop and beating one of the owners there to pulp. Even officer Wilson, who was carrying a firearm with him, suffered very serious facial injuries as a result of the assault by Michael Brown. Just because he wasn't carrying a firearm, that doesn't mean that he posed no danger to the civilized society. That was a hoax circulated by conservative sources, the picture was not of Officer Wilson Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 14, 2014, 02:09:13 AM Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on September 14, 2014, 01:40:26 PM Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q) Stop this BS. The original "eyewitness" was a guy who was accomplice to Micheal Brown in his store robbery, and there is not an iota of truth in what he said. These newly invented eyewitnesses are just parroting what the first one told. This has been proven in the autopsy report also. Also, if he had his hands up in the air, then how did officer Darren Wilson received those horrific facial injuries? Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 14, 2014, 01:43:35 PM Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q) Stop this BS. The original "eyewitness" was a guy who was accomplice to Micheal Brown in his store robbery, and there is not an iota of truth in what he said. These newly invented eyewitnesses are just parroting what the first one told. This has been proven in the autopsy report also. Also, if he had his hands up in the air, then how did officer Darren Wilson received those horrific facial injuries? There's video footage, no more denying Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Honeypot on September 15, 2014, 04:48:07 PM Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q) Stop this BS. The original "eyewitness" was a guy who was accomplice to Micheal Brown in his store robbery, and there is not an iota of truth in what he said. These newly invented eyewitnesses are just parroting what the first one told. This has been proven in the autopsy report also. Also, if he had his hands up in the air, then how did officer Darren Wilson received those horrific facial injuries? There's video footage, no more denying That 'footage' showed absolutely nothing - just some guy at unidentified date and location making commentaries that are supposedly true off camera. Why the hell weren't they filming the actual scene? If that was an attempt at manufacturing evidence, that's pretty sad. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 15, 2014, 04:51:43 PM Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q) Stop this BS. The original "eyewitness" was a guy who was accomplice to Micheal Brown in his store robbery, and there is not an iota of truth in what he said. These newly invented eyewitnesses are just parroting what the first one told. This has been proven in the autopsy report also. Also, if he had his hands up in the air, then how did officer Darren Wilson received those horrific facial injuries? There's video footage, no more denying That 'footage' showed absolutely nothing - just some guy at unidentified date and location making commentaries that are supposedly true off camera. Why the hell weren't they filming the actual scene? If that was an attempt at manufacturing evidence, that's pretty sad. Let's not cherry pick the witnesses Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on September 15, 2014, 05:52:25 PM That 'footage' showed absolutely nothing - just some guy at unidentified date and location making commentaries that are supposedly true off camera. Why the hell weren't they filming the actual scene? Exactly. Who does not own a mobile phone (with camera) nowadays? And even the very basic ones which come for $15 or $20 are having embedded camera with them. It is surprising that none of the witnesses had the balls to take video of this incident, although they were all standing at safe distance away from officer Wilson and Michael Brown. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 15, 2014, 05:54:04 PM That 'footage' showed absolutely nothing - just some guy at unidentified date and location making commentaries that are supposedly true off camera. Why the hell weren't they filming the actual scene? Exactly. Who does not own a mobile phone (with camera) nowadays? And even the very basic ones which come for $15 or $20 are having embedded camera with them. It is surprising that none of the witnesses had the balls to take video of this incident, although they were all standing at safe distance away from officer Wilson and Michael Brown. Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on September 16, 2014, 07:50:23 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 16, 2014, 07:57:21 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. What does race have to do with this? Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: wasserman99 on September 17, 2014, 02:42:31 AM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: leannemckim46 on September 20, 2014, 05:54:45 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. What does race have to do with this? The relationship with police was not good even prior to the shooting. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on September 20, 2014, 10:53:39 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. What does race have to do with this? The relationship with police was not good even prior to the shooting. Why are you contradicting yourself Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: leannemckim46 on September 20, 2014, 11:15:27 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. What does race have to do with this? The relationship with police was not good even prior to the shooting. Why are you contradicting yourself The black people of the community are the ones who are making racial tensions worse and are racist Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: dankkk on September 21, 2014, 06:35:13 PM Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Xiaoxiao on October 04, 2014, 06:26:04 PM Any update on this?
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 04, 2014, 06:35:43 PM Ferguson police chief to Michael Brown’s family: ‘I’m truly sorry’
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/25/ferguson-police-chief-to-michael-browns-family-im-truly-sorry/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: mnmShadyBTC on October 06, 2014, 12:34:54 AM Any update on this? Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended. This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 08, 2014, 02:26:44 AM A federal judge decided on Monday that actions taken by police in Ferguson, MO were unconstitutional.
Source (http://theantimedia.org/federal-judge-rules-police-violated-constitutional-rights-ferguson-protesters/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: money420weed on October 08, 2014, 05:17:38 PM A federal judge decided on Monday that actions taken by police in Ferguson, MO were unconstitutional. This is only regarding the police trying to calm the protestors. It has nothing to do with the actual shooting. Source (http://theantimedia.org/federal-judge-rules-police-violated-constitutional-rights-ferguson-protesters/) Also the protestors were manipulated into thinking that something happened that did not really happen and were mislead about the facts Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: chopstick on October 10, 2014, 05:04:59 AM Any update on this? Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended. This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer The police officer acted about as appropriately as a trained monkey. Which is about the average standard that America holds its police officers too, unfortunately. Reach into your pocket to grab your phone? Have a sandwich in your hand that you are eating? BAM, probable cause for them to kill your ass motherfucker. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 10, 2014, 05:29:44 AM Any update on this? Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended. This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer The police officer acted about as appropriately as a trained monkey. Which is about the average standard that America holds its police officers too, unfortunately. Reach into your pocket to grab your phone? Have a sandwich in your hand that you are eating? BAM, probable cause for them to kill your ass motherfucker. Damn, you summed up my thoughts perfectly. The only reason we think we're great is because we compare our police force to those of shitty third world countries, and not of countries with sane policemen like Germany, Finland, etc Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bryant.coleman on October 10, 2014, 05:40:22 AM Any update on this? Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended. This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer Hmm... so this incident has become just another tool for the political parties, to rally their supporters. Everything will be forgotten very soon, until a similar event surfaces somewhere in the United States. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 10, 2014, 06:33:32 AM Cracked reports, 7 Important Details Nobody Mentions About Ferguson
#7. The Police Never Filed an Incident Report for the Shooting of Michael Brown #6. A Protester Was Shot in the Head With a Real Bullet (and the Police Took the Bullet [and Now That Bullet Is Missing]) #5. The St. Louis Cops Who Shot That Guy With the Knife Last Week Also Kind of Lied About It #4. In General, the Ferguson and St. Louis Police Have Been -- Pardon My Fuck -- Fucking Liars #3. These Protests Are Not Riots Read about the remaining two here http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo_p2/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo_p2/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: mnmShadyBTC on October 13, 2014, 02:29:07 AM Any update on this? Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended. This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer Hmm... so this incident has become just another tool for the political parties, to rally their supporters. Everything will be forgotten very soon, until a similar event surfaces somewhere in the United States. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 13, 2014, 03:23:20 AM The police are ten times more likely to kill you if you're a black unarmed teen
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: MF Doom on October 15, 2014, 11:36:11 AM Michael Brown's firends account of the event dont seem all that believable either, he claims the officer reached out the window and grabbed Brown by the neck, seems hard to do unless your arms are 6 feet long...
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Snail2 on October 15, 2014, 11:58:26 AM The police are ten times more likely to kill you if you're a black unarmed teen Especially if you are carrying three-shooter sandwiches... ::) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on October 15, 2014, 01:26:17 PM First thing that starts showing up on google, looks like people are mass searching for it :P
http://downtrend.com/71superb/unarmed-white-man-shot-by-police-no-riots-al-sharpton-silent-obama-keeps-golfing/ Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on October 15, 2014, 05:46:04 PM First thing that starts showing up on google, looks like people are mass searching for it :P http://downtrend.com/71superb/unarmed-white-man-shot-by-police-no-riots-al-sharpton-silent-obama-keeps-golfing/ I think we need to start seeing this as a messed up police issue, not a racial issue. Though, white privilege is, shooting people and getting away with it. If it were a black cop, how many people would be rioting outside of Ferguson? Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on October 15, 2014, 10:24:03 PM I come to the conclusion a long time ago that racism and race is a joke perpetrated by morons, why? Have anyone who argues about it take a DNA test and you'll see ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: FattyMcButterpants on October 18, 2014, 02:25:31 PM First thing that starts showing up on google, looks like people are mass searching for it :P I think the point of that article is that Obama (and his racist friends) are making the Brown shooting an issue of race when it is really not. The fact remains that Brown has assaulted the officer (and committed a felony in doing so) and the officer had the right, if not the duty to shoot him. http://downtrend.com/71superb/unarmed-white-man-shot-by-police-no-riots-al-sharpton-silent-obama-keeps-golfing/ Obama and his racist friends wants to make it seem as if Brown was some innocent kid just as they did for Martin Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on October 18, 2014, 02:26:43 PM There's actually no evidence on either side of what happened, but people are quite happy to jump to their own conclusions, the only thing we really have is eyewitness testimony and as Neil DeGrasse Tyson has said that's terrifying that our judicial system is operating on that. Basically, to sum up this whole thing, it's the word of an alive white police officer against a dead black kid who was the only one who really knew what happened.
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on November 03, 2014, 08:38:18 PM Feds Finally Admit Ferguson ‘No-Fly’ Zone Was To Keep Media From Recording Police Brutality
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/ (http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: jaysabi on November 03, 2014, 08:58:52 PM Feds Finally Admit Ferguson ‘No-Fly’ Zone Was To Keep Media From Recording Police Brutality http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/ (http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/) Feds finally admit Ferguson no-fly zone was to keep media out. Period. Full stop. Your conclusion is that it was to keep them from recording police brutality. It's not unreasonable to speculate that the sole motivation of the no-fly zone was to remove oversight of police interactions with protesters. But, no, the feds did not admit the no-fly zone was to keep the media from recording police brutality. That statement is purposefully misleading. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: TheButterZone on November 03, 2014, 09:01:26 PM Mainstream story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/03/us/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: jaysabi on November 03, 2014, 09:16:18 PM Mainstream story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/03/us/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/ Thank you. The real story here is the authorities were caught lying again, and that police were using force to suppress the media. This doesn't need to be spun into something it's not. It's already serious enough. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: ScryptAsic on November 04, 2014, 06:07:32 AM There's actually no evidence on either side of what happened, but people are quite happy to jump to their own conclusions, the only thing we really have is eyewitness testimony and as Neil DeGrasse Tyson has said that's terrifying that our judicial system is operating on that. Basically, to sum up this whole thing, it's the word of an alive white police officer against a dead black kid who was the only one who really knew what happened. There is evidence that the police officer was assaulted. There is evidence that brown was very close to the officer when he was shot. People have claimed that brown had his hands up when he was shot, however the forensic evidence evidence says otherwise.There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on November 04, 2014, 06:09:39 AM That's not evidence, that's assertions, I take it the people claiming they have evidence he was assaulted was from the police right? Evidence is indisputable and so far the only thing everyone is certain of is that shots were fired and both the police officer and the guy was in the same place where it happened.
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: ScryptAsic on November 04, 2014, 06:30:31 AM That's not evidence, that's assertions, I take it the people claiming they have evidence he was assaulted was from the police right? Evidence is indisputable and so far the only thing everyone is certain of is that shots were fired and both the police officer and the guy was in the same place where it happened. I would argue that evidence is not always going to be nu-disputable. In almost every crime, there is evidence that shows a person committed the crime and evidence that a person is innocent. If no evidence could ever be disputed then it would be impossible for a person to both be guilty and innocent at the same time. I would agree that the evidence in this case is not rock solid however I would also say that the onlookers probably lied about what they saw as their relationship with the police is not good. There is also physical evidence (that is backed by science) that backs up the police officer's version of what happened Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on November 04, 2014, 06:38:34 AM That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.
Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on November 04, 2014, 10:00:43 AM That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics. Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Lethn on November 04, 2014, 12:44:05 PM That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics. Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016) Yeah some ones are fucking obvious :( reminds me of another one I saw. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321904/-Ferguson-police-beat-a-man-and-then-charged-him-with-destruction-of-property-for-bloody-uniforms Clearly though there's a LOT of cases of corruption in the Ferguson police force particularly so it was only a matter of time this made news. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on November 04, 2014, 12:51:25 PM That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics. Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016) Yeah some ones are fucking obvious :( reminds me of another one I saw. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321904/-Ferguson-police-beat-a-man-and-then-charged-him-with-destruction-of-property-for-bloody-uniforms Clearly though there's a LOT of cases of corruption in the Ferguson police force particularly so it was only a matter of time this made news. Don't forget the pepper sprayed students! The cop who pepper sprayed peaceful protesters sued for severe emotional trauma Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: jaysabi on November 04, 2014, 04:52:25 PM There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight. I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: jaysabi on November 04, 2014, 04:58:47 PM That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics. Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016) This is straight up garbage. I wonder how you can reach a conclusion without testing it, e.g. he shot himself while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but his hands were never tested for gunshot residue. It's even more inexcusable when the coroner discovers that he was shot in the chest while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but still supports the conclusion that he shot himself. If you wanted more evidence to back up what now seems like an impossible claim, you'd test the hands for residue. Every person who is killed by police or dies in police custody should be investigated by an external, independent agency, NOT the same police department. And where appropriate, cops should be charged and tried for their crimes. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on November 06, 2014, 08:33:45 PM More evasion of the laws of physics
Police say man with "no arms" and legs is "armed" and on the run (http://gawker.com/man-with-no-legs-and-no-hands-sought-in-double-murder-1655292448?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: Gumbork on November 07, 2014, 01:17:23 AM There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight. I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: jaysabi on November 07, 2014, 09:15:31 PM There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight. I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already. That's just not a credible concern. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: bitcon on November 07, 2014, 11:46:20 PM dont all police cars have dash cams? that would surely be a good place to start. or was the video deleted like those crashed IRS hard drives?
anyone see this South Carolina incident? month or two ago cop shoots unarmed man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux17aho5CSM Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: awesome31312 on November 08, 2014, 07:21:50 PM dont all police cars have dash cams? that would surely be a good place to start. or was the video deleted like those crashed IRS hard drives? anyone see this South Carolina incident? month or two ago cop shoots unarmed man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux17aho5CSM They can choose when to stop recording. How convenient. Title: Re: The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened?? Post by: deluxeCITY on November 09, 2014, 05:38:55 AM There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight. I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already. That's just not a credible concern. |