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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

also, lots of stuff if you google.

A few things come to mind though:

A few things come to mind about this whole fiascal--

1) Wasn't there a witness that said Mike Brown charged at the officer 1st? (I know even that doesn't give the officer the right to fatally shoot him or does it?)

2) Has their been cases where caucasian unarmed potential suspect has been fatally gunned down by police?

3) it just seems like this whole thing isn't going to end too well...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408116848048_wps_9_DO_NOT_USE_Michael_Brown_.jpg

http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/michael-brown-surveillance-video-450x600.jpg

It has happened many times before. But the big difference is that the perpetrator was also from the same race. In such cases, no one can argue about the racial motivation for the shooting. Even if there was some incident where the victim was white and the perpetrator was black (was there any?), the media never gave it any publicity.

I hate when people place the race card

You cannot deny that this is a race based issue, Sir.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/29/1325816/-Comparing-How-The-New-York-Times-Described-Mike-Brown-Ted-Bundy (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/29/1325816/-Comparing-How-The-New-York-Times-Described-Mike-Brown-Ted-Bundy)

I really don't know as I've not been following this story too closely.  It became a very confusing issue for me after the first shooting took place.  This second shooting was just adding to the confusion and no real facts came out.  This whole "race issue" is slowing down the facts form getting out and who knows what will happen if people suspect a cover up.  It's likely going to add to more confusion if you ask me.  I can't believe how poorly these shootings were handled by the police, media and the people running a muck in the streets.  It would be nice to get some updates on this whole fiasco.

No, in fact, look at the comparison (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31/1324831/-White-man-jaywalks-with-gun-guess-what-happens)

Unlikely. Two eyewitnesses testified that Brown had his hands up in the air when he got shot, and he was unarmed.

Remember the autopsy report which proved that a lot of the witnesses lied on the day? Well, the truth just came out
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/18/two-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-michael-brown-shooting/)

No, that's the witness that lied on the day of the incident, you got the two confused.

Speaking of Trayvon Martin, remember George Zimmerman? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody_n_3895388.html)

Michael Brown was unarmed, so was Kelly Thomas, and so was Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, Manuel Loggins Jr., Ronald Madison, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, I could go on forever, but I believe I have confirmed that police are trigger happy, and all of the men listed with the exception of Kelly Thomas were people of color.

Cops tend to patrol black neighborhoods more. Also, black people are often shot for minor offences, like jaywalking. Additionally, black people are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession, when compared to equal cannabis use from white people**

**Sources:
https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests (https://www.aclu.org/billions-dollars-wasted-racially-biased-arrests)
http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pot-arrests-more-likely-blacks-180649118.html)

And that is a direct violation of the Fourth. Race is not reasonable suspicion to get a warrant to get into someone's car, or pull them over and ask for papers if they look like they're Mexican. Let's fix this, as Americans, it is our moral duty to restore the constitution.

It is not okay to pull someone over because of their race, but there is nothing wrong with the police from being somewhere that the public is otherwise allowed to be legally. The police patrolling certain neighborhoods would meet this criteria.

Michael Brown was unarmed... so what? The fact that he wasn't carrying a firearm didn't stopped him from robbing a shop and beating one of the owners there to pulp. Even officer Wilson, who was carrying a firearm with him, suffered very serious facial injuries as a result of the assault by Michael Brown. Just because he wasn't carrying a firearm, that doesn't mean that he posed no danger to the civilized society.

There is also some evidence that shows that Michael Brown (and perhaps his family) are affiliated with bloods, which can be a quite violent gang/organization

May I see this evidence?


That was a hoax circulated by conservative sources, the picture was not of Officer Wilson

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mike_brown-gangs.jpg

http://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/mike-brown.jpeg?w=1200

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/57f34c0bb00b36269aad221862b47ea92c038ceb/c=0-31-376-314&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/08/12/1407876204027-Brown-gallery-28.jpg]http://

http://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/michael-brown-funeral.jpg?w=1200

Red is a common theme here.  I'm not saying Michael Brown was a bad kid.  I just blame the culture and society.

Making gang signs is a popular trend among the youth of America.
You should read this
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/gunned-police-photo-msm-portray/)

I agree, that's why this evidence is inconclusive.

Not just inconclusive, but absurd of the press to use this to make him appear as if he was a thug

Okay I really can't take you serious anymore.

The white burden? Lol I heard some people talking about this saying there was a "white burden" in a way that is kind of true as if the police man shot a Caucasian instead, there woudn't have been as much controversy.

I can't take anyone who assumes that making gang signs in selfies equates to someone being a gang member seriously

I never said he was a gang member.  I said there is evidence that he COULD be gang AFFILIATED.

You said the press makes him "appear as if he was a thug"

The fuckin guy strong armed and assaulted a store clerk to get a box of cigars.  Figure for yourself.  You fuckin' tool/scumbag.  IGNORED.

Brown died about 35 feet from the car

Unless you're implying that he has the power to levitate.

Ad Hominem attacks imply that you no longer wish to be civil because you have run out of arguments.

Assaulting a store clerk does not necessarily mean he was affiliated with a gang, that's an illogical racial generalization.

It doens't matter if he was affiliated with a gang or not. What matters is the fact that he was fighting the police officer who had legitimately stopped him and in the process of doing so had committed a felony. Officers have not only the right but the duty to use force to stop a fleeing felon if he poses an immediate threat to the community. If he is willing to assault a police officer to the point of needing medical attention then who knows what he is willing to do to an ordinary citizen.
That is not true. You are a racist trying to cause worsening tensions between blacks and whites. The officer was harmed as a result of his interaction with Brown.

Brown clearly had his hands up in the air, but the cowardly cop still shot at him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q)

Stop this BS. The original "eyewitness" was a guy who was accomplice to Micheal Brown in his store robbery, and there is not an iota of truth in what he said. These newly invented eyewitnesses are just parroting what the first one told. This has been proven in the autopsy report also. Also, if he had his hands up in the air, then how did officer Darren Wilson received those horrific facial injuries?

There's video footage, no more denying

That 'footage' showed absolutely nothing - just some guy at unidentified date and location making commentaries that are supposedly true off camera. Why the hell weren't they filming the actual scene?

If that was an attempt at manufacturing evidence, that's pretty sad.

Let's not cherry pick the witnesses

Exactly. Who does not own a mobile phone (with camera) nowadays? And even the very basic ones which come for $15 or $20 are having embedded camera with them. It is surprising that none of the witnesses had the balls to take video of this incident, although they were all standing at safe distance away from officer Wilson and Michael Brown.

Oh they had the balls to record it alright. No one had the balls to turn the footage in

If the footage actually showed officer Wilson shooting Michael Brown while in surrender mode, then the people who took that video (all of them African American, one being accomplice to Brown's store robbery) would have already made it public. Since they did't do that, we can safely assume that the video was not corroborating what they were saying.

What does race have to do with this?

I would agree that the witnesses to the shooting are likely lying about what happened that day. There was a police shooting not long after the Brown shooting that involved someone who was carrying a knife in his hand that was recorded with a cell phone camera. I would highly suspect that someone has video evidence that the officer did the right thing by shooting brown. The likely reason it was not released is because of the horrible relations the people of furgeson have with the police.

It has everything to do with this. If the police officer was white and the black community has a problem with white police officers then the community would want to make the police look bad.

The relationship with police was not good even prior to the shooting.

Why are you contradicting yourself

I am saying that the witnesses lied about what happened because they want to make the police look bad. They want to make the police look bad because the relationship between the police and the black community is not good.

The black people of the community are the ones who are making racial tensions worse and are racist

This does make sense to me. Most of the witnesses have claimed that Brown had his hands in the air, but no one has come forward with any proof despite the unlikely changes that no one would bother to record a confrontation with the police. There is evidence there was a fight between Brown and the police officer so it would only make sense that someone would want to record that if the community hates the police so much

Any update on this?

Ferguson police chief to Michael Brown’s family: ‘I’m truly sorry’

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/25/ferguson-police-chief-to-michael-browns-family-im-truly-sorry/)

Brown is still dead. The police officer still acted appropriately. Protests have more or less ended.

This may have been another case but I think I read something about a grand jury declining to indict the police officer

A federal judge decided on Monday that actions taken by police in Ferguson, MO were unconstitutional.
Source (http://theantimedia.org/federal-judge-rules-police-violated-constitutional-rights-ferguson-protesters/)

This is only regarding the police trying to calm the protestors. It has nothing to do with the actual shooting.

Also the protestors were manipulated into thinking that something happened that did not really happen and were mislead about the facts

The police officer acted about as appropriately as a trained monkey.

Which is about the average standard that America holds its police officers too, unfortunately.

Reach into your pocket to grab your phone? Have a sandwich in your hand that you are eating? BAM, probable cause for them to kill your ass motherfucker.

Damn, you summed up my thoughts perfectly. The only reason we think we're great is because we compare our police force to those of shitty third world countries, and not of countries with sane policemen like Germany, Finland, etc

Hmm... so this incident has become just another tool for the political parties, to rally their supporters. Everything will be forgotten very soon, until a similar event surfaces somewhere in the United States.

Cracked reports, 7 Important Details Nobody Mentions About Ferguson

#7. The Police Never Filed an Incident Report for the Shooting of Michael Brown


#6. A Protester Was Shot in the Head With a Real Bullet (and the Police Took the Bullet [and Now That Bullet Is Missing])


#5. The St. Louis Cops Who Shot That Guy With the Knife Last Week Also Kind of Lied About It


#4. In General, the Ferguson and St. Louis Police Have Been -- Pardon My Fuck -- Fucking Liars


#3. These Protests Are Not Riots

Read about the remaining two here

http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo_p2/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo_p2/)

That is pretty much it. I receive political emails from both the democrat and republican parties and I have received many emails from democrats trying to raise money for this issue and trying to enact various political changes regarding this police shooting.

The police are ten times more likely to kill you if you're a black unarmed teen

Michael Brown's firends account of the event dont seem all that believable either, he claims the officer reached out the window and grabbed Brown by the neck, seems hard to do unless your arms are 6 feet long...

Especially if you are carrying three-shooter sandwiches... ::)

First thing that starts showing up on google, looks like people are mass searching for it :P

http://downtrend.com/71superb/unarmed-white-man-shot-by-police-no-riots-al-sharpton-silent-obama-keeps-golfing/

I think we need to start seeing this as a messed up police issue, not a racial issue. Though, white privilege is, shooting people and getting away with it. If it were a black cop, how many people would be rioting outside of Ferguson?

I come to the conclusion a long time ago that racism and race is a joke perpetrated by morons, why? Have anyone who argues about it take a DNA test and you'll see ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

I think the point of that article is that Obama (and his racist friends) are making the Brown shooting an issue of race when it is really not. The fact remains that Brown has assaulted the officer (and committed a felony in doing so) and the officer had the right, if not the duty to shoot him.

Obama and his racist friends wants to make it seem as if Brown was some innocent kid just as they did for Martin

There's actually no evidence on either side of what happened, but people are quite happy to jump to their own conclusions, the only thing we really have is eyewitness testimony and as Neil DeGrasse Tyson has said that's terrifying that our judicial system is operating on that. Basically, to sum up this whole thing, it's the word of an alive white police officer against a dead black kid who was the only one who really knew what happened.

Feds Finally Admit Ferguson ‘No-Fly’ Zone Was To Keep Media From Recording Police Brutality
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/ (http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/feds-finally-admit-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-to-keep-media-from-recording-police-brutality/)

Feds finally admit Ferguson no-fly zone was to keep media out. Period. Full stop. Your conclusion is that it was to keep them from recording police brutality. It's not unreasonable to speculate that the sole motivation of the no-fly zone was to remove oversight of police interactions with protesters. But, no, the feds did not admit the no-fly zone was to keep the media from recording police brutality. That statement is purposefully misleading.

Mainstream story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/03/us/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/

Thank you. The real story here is the authorities were caught lying again, and that police were using force to suppress the media. This doesn't need to be spun into something it's not. It's already serious enough.

There is evidence that the police officer was assaulted. There is evidence that brown was very close to the officer when he was shot. People have claimed that brown had his hands up when he was shot, however the forensic evidence evidence says otherwise.

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

That's not evidence, that's assertions, I take it the people claiming they have evidence he was assaulted was from the police right? Evidence is indisputable and so far the only thing everyone is certain of is that shots were fired and both the police officer and the guy was in the same place where it happened.

I would argue that evidence is not always going to be nu-disputable. In almost every crime, there is evidence that shows a person committed the crime and evidence that a person is innocent. If no evidence could ever be disputed then it would be impossible for a person to both be guilty and innocent at the same time.

I would agree that the evidence in this case is not rock solid however I would also say that the onlookers probably lied about what they saw as their relationship with the police is not good. There is also physical evidence (that is backed by science) that backs up the police officer's version of what happened

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016)

Yeah some ones are fucking obvious :( reminds me of another one I saw.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321904/-Ferguson-police-beat-a-man-and-then-charged-him-with-destruction-of-property-for-bloody-uniforms

Clearly though there's a LOT of cases of corruption in the Ferguson police force particularly so it was only a matter of time this made news.

Don't forget the pepper sprayed students!
The cop who pepper sprayed peaceful protesters sued for severe emotional trauma

I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already.

This is straight up garbage. I wonder how you can reach a conclusion without testing it, e.g. he shot himself while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but his hands were never tested for gunshot residue. It's even more inexcusable when the coroner discovers that he was shot in the chest while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but still supports the conclusion that he shot himself. If you wanted more evidence to back up what now seems like an impossible claim, you'd test the hands for residue. Every person who is killed by police or dies in police custody should be investigated by an external, independent agency, NOT the same police department. And where appropriate, cops should be charged and tried for their crimes.

More evasion of the laws of physics

Police say man with "no arms" and legs is "armed" and on the run
 (http://gawker.com/man-with-no-legs-and-no-hands-sought-in-double-murder-1655292448?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

Much of the media have policies against buying news stories like this so the number of buyers is limited to tabloid like outlets. Plus there is the possibility that people like Sharpton and Obama have purchased all copies of the videos so they can be destroyed

That's just not a credible concern.

dont all police cars have dash cams?  that would surely be a good place to start.    or was the video deleted like those crashed IRS hard drives?


anyone see this South Carolina incident?   month or two ago cop shoots unarmed man: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux17aho5CSM

They can choose when to stop recording. How convenient.

I would disagree. Both Obama and Al Sharpton are racists who like to use the race card in order to further their liberal agenda. I don't think it would be out of the question for them to have purchased a video of Brown not having his hands up when he was shot.