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O.K. why is it that homosexuality is such a problem with religious conservatives when he never directly condemned it, but they can get divorces, fight wars, judge people, and hold wealth when Jesus did condemn it.

Because the problem is these morons take bits of the bible they like that they think goes along with their stupidity and try to twist it into something its not, it's like how they claim in the constitution something along the lines of "Congress shall define marriage as between a man and a woman" the problem is the keyword there DEFINE which means it defines it, it hasn't actually made it illegal for a man to marry a man or a woman to marry a woman, of course, they're stupid so they don't pay attention to that.

It's like how they attack science and claim its all bullshit and yet here they are, making threads on something science created, talking on something science created, attacking science. Holy shit the irony you see in the world whenever you actually try and think about the things people say. These people are pre-programmed to spout their bullshit from an early age and they don't think about it, so when you actually try and get you to think about it they just end up repeating themselves or start trying to change the subject because they don't like having to think it.

Trust me, I've been around, it's not just you thinking about this stuff and it's a load of crap I know :D they're morons and that's all there is to it.

Do you disagree that Jesus claims to be God in the flesh, according to the gospels?


Also, a question first:  If several of us were in a room that had a north door and a south door, and we were given instructions by the manager to only exit by the south door - while it is true that the manager did not mention the north door, do we not know what his thoughts are on the north door?

Jesus's claims certainly eluded to the notion he was God in the flesh. Next your door analogy does not really work because Jesus was laying down rules for married people. The door analogy might work against gay marriage but not homosexuality in general. The argument boils down to adultery and you cannot commit adultery if you are not married. 

The door analogy works because Jesus had these two positions:

Marriage is between a man and a woman for life.

Sex is only for marriage.


You can conclude alot from that regarding divorce, homosexuality, rape, bestiality, adultery, etc.

Why do you care about what people who get their morals for a book of fairytales and folklore?

And, he does make it clear that He and God the Father are One.   But, even apart from that, he constantly extolled the God of the Old Testament.  He had no issue with the law handed down to Moses.

And, he makes clear his endorsement of Paul's teachings (Book of Acts, for example).

The only people who have a problem with homosexuals are those who have been brainwashed by religion to hate them.
No one else has a problem, unless it's an individual/isolated case. ....like say.... they hate clowns because they were frightened of them once as a child.

I care less about what people choose to do with their life’s or bodies,what i want in this thread is some opinions,pro and against to see what others things about homosexuality and Jesus.

These bigots seem to thrive on fear and ignorance.  That they think that they alone can interpret what and who Jesus was is their biggest problem IMHO.

Any religion taken to the extreme is evil.........because it's been tainted by man.

It is in purpose not reality. For example, my father is doctor and I am a doctor too, so I can say me and my father are one but that doesn't mean I and my father are ONE. It is in purpose. Please read verses before it to become more clear. I'sa prophet was messenger and came to teach good things and about belief of one god. :)

  ~~MZ~~

If you would had spent a little more time reading the New Testament, you could come away confident in the fact that Jesus never mentioned homosexuals or homosexuality, and never said anything very significant about marriage. ..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP was not about marriage equality/ Gay marriage, but was about tolerance.

Did I miss the boat here?  If I did, then I humbly apologize.

Absolutely wrong! We can make a friendly debate about that matter if you want. I can assure you that Jesus isn't a god. :)

  ~~MZ~~

He exhibits classic delusional behavior.  There's nothing we can do or say.........

So, are you saying that your  post above can be interpreted in any manner also?If not, then your objection is silly.

Such is life.  Jesus said that those who followed him would get that kind of treatment from folk like you .  We are actually to rejoice when we are maligned for following Jesus.

Though, frankly, for me, doing it via the internet will not be the real test.  Good preparation though.

Anyway, as we are on this subject, from Romans 1, since it does explain well the reason for this.


16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
28 And even as they refused to have God in [their] knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780788.0

 ;D

That's one of the main problems with you emotionally/ mentally challenged religious assholes....Just because you believe the Bible says it's OK to hate gays doesn't mean it's right.

We cannot reason with a zealot - let him have his beliefs.  I just don't think Jesus would approve of their bigotry - and it's my right to believe that.  As it's his right to believe that gays are bad.

+1. To be honest, I really don't like gays. There are many problem when being a gay. You can see many scientific affects of being a gay, just search... ::)

  ~~MZ~~

Why don't you like them and what are these 'problems' and 'scientific affects' exactly?

Religious debate aside, I think homosexuality is a disorder. Biology proves me right.

+10. Absolutely right!


Sorry, I am sorry for them and I hope I can change them to be good(don't know whether it will happen). There will be many problems like depression. You can look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology for some details. For detailed explanations, refer!!!

  ~~MZ~~

Some fool saw the mohammed and homo thread and decided to bitch this way. Typical kid mentality.

For a person supposedly against judging you are awfully judgmental. You'd have a hard time finding a regular Christian in your day to day life as hateful of gay people as you are of Christians.

Maybe you should try to find out why people think they way they do and what they actually think (since you and the OP are wrong about what most Christians think) before you condemn them.

It's called homophobia. They just hide behind the veil of religion.

Religious people make it up as they go along to suit themselves.
They follow the bits they want to and preach to others they should do the same. Yet if they want to believe or do some thing their religion doesn't dictate, they just do it anyway and claim it's allowed because "it's the way you interpret it."

I think this thread was first,so "the mohammed and homo fool" saw it and copy it.

I'm not hateful of Christians, I'm hateful of religion ;) And considering the fact that there was a user who just posted "Religious debate aside, I think homosexuality is a disorder. Biology proves me right." and then some moron actually agreed with him I think you're completely blind.

I will do everything to fight the brainwashing and assimilation of people into a certain group no matter who they are especially if they are trying to use fear and peer pressure or even more insidious means in order to do it.

You can apply this exactly to you and pretty much everything else you come out with here. You saw Jesus and Homo thread and had to bitch this way. Typical Honeypot mentality.

I know you meant me by saying "some moron". :) I said he is right because it is a mental disorder likely to be small but still it is a disorder. But it is mainly psychology not biology though there is connection between psychology and this. ::)

  ~~MZ~~

Confused. Are you saying homosexuality is a disorder and/or religion is a disorder?

Some would argue religion is a mental disorder. There's also a connection between religion and gullible ignorant fools.

http://www.thecheers.org/Opinion/article_3111_7-reasons-why-religion-is-a-form-of-mental-illness.html

Homosexuality.


~~MZ~~

The problem with this post is that Jesus didn't have to explicitly state something for one to know he is explicitly against something.  To say since Jesus didn't explicitly say he was against homosexuality... is like saying because this person didn't explicitly say they are against cannibalism therefore it is a grey area.

Back than homosexuality wasn't discussed much, because adultery was a serious offense, so therefore homosexuality falls further down the line.  Also it was apparent in several places of OT that homosexuality was punishable and condemned, and they held the OT as sacred as their temples.

I even gave credit to this thread being first.  ;)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781196.msg8804955#msg8804955

To be fair, the Roman bible does state that homosexuality is a sin. Its even as bad as the sin of eating shrimp.