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Title: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: MicroGuy on September 14, 2014, 02:39:04 AM
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Virginia bitcoin enthusiast, Jonas Diener, 37, will avoid jail time for cannabis discovered in his home during a police raid. The home invasion occurred after a power company official tipped off police that the bitcoin miner was using an “incredible” amount of electricity in his home.

The employee told law enforcement officials the house was using eight times the amount of power a typical home that size would use. This caused police suspicion of a marijuana growing operation in the home. During the raid, police arrested the man and seized all his Bitcoin mining equipment, a number of physical bitcoins, and a small quantity of marijuana.

Per the terms of the plea agreement, the man received six months in jail, all suspended, for misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, while a more serious charge of marijuana possession was dropped. The man appeared in Rockingham County Circuit Court on Thursday.

Bitcoin is a software-based online payment system described by Satoshi Nakamoto in 2008 and introduced as open-source software in 2009. Payments are recorded in a public ledger using its own unit of account, which is also called bitcoin.

Full Story: http://altcoinpress.com/2014/09/power-company-tip-leads-to-bitcoin-mining-raid/


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Jordan23 on September 14, 2014, 03:11:57 AM
In NC the drug paraphernalia charge is more serious than a misdemeanor possession because the law does not distinguish between a weed pipe or a crack pipe. All paraphernalia is lumped in together. Maybe its different in VA.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: adamstgBit on September 14, 2014, 03:19:41 AM
everyone make sure not to use too much power or the cops are gonna break down your door and arrest you, even if you didn't do anything wrong. this the motherfuicking proff!

how much weed did he have???

why did they take the computers????

is it illegal to have computers!?

this is fucking BS.

sue the bastards for the missed mining income, make them pay in BTC.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Hufflepuff on September 14, 2014, 05:47:37 AM
a creepy power company, a creepy police force, and an even creepier legal system


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Divinespark on September 14, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
This is scary, scary stuff. Makings of a police state with craven bureaucrats who think nothing of ratting on people to higher authorities. Disgraceful on every count.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: notbatman on September 14, 2014, 06:04:34 AM
Hold on second, they sized "a number of physical Bitcoins"?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: QuestionAuthority on September 14, 2014, 06:07:58 AM
http://billmoyers.com/2013/12/16/land-of-the-free-us-has-5-of-the-worlds-population-and-25-of-its-prisoners/


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: notbatman on September 14, 2014, 06:13:38 AM

Keep in mind the police already knew who lived in the house before they raided.

This guy has a previous history of MJ growing.

If you are going to run Bitcoin farms it is not advisable to run MJ farms concurrently.


~BCX~

More info

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/Pot-Bust-Leads-To-Investigation-into-Mans-Computer-228429621.html

What if your warehouse is in Colorado?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: wasserman99 on September 14, 2014, 06:59:08 AM
everyone make sure not to use too much power or the cops are gonna break down your door and arrest you, even if you didn't do anything wrong. this the motherfuicking proff!

how much weed did he have???

why did they take the computers????

is it illegal to have computers!?

this is fucking BS.

sue the bastards for the missed mining income, make them pay in BTC.
The issue was not that he was mining bitcoin. The issue was that he was using a lot of electricity which was probably cause to search his house. When the police searched his house they found drugs which lead to his arrest. He was not charged with anything to do with him mining


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: counter on September 14, 2014, 07:47:35 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: ruthless09 on September 14, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.
You need to remember the police did not simply break into the person's house. They came with a warrant. There is a huge difference between the two. A search warrant is given by a neutral judge who can see that there is probable cause that a crime has been committed.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 14, 2014, 08:42:13 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

Did you bother for half a minute to actually read the thread.

Read what BCX has posted just above you:

Quote

The reason the warrant was issued was him using eight times the normal usage of a residence *AND* because he had previous history of operating growing houses.

This isn't a case where some innocent person was raided due to simply using too much electricity. It was that fact combined with his previous criminal history.

Whatever your personal feelings are regarding MJ, growing it in Virginia is still very much illegal.

Mining Bitcoin wasn't the issue, it was the grow operation that got him in trouble.
~BCX~

I really don't understand why the some of the guys here on the forum try to pose always in victims of the system and cry how the government is raping their innocent asses every day.

The guy had a history if growing marijuana , he had drugs in his house , what more do you want.

So if a guy that has a criminal record for car theft has suddenly 10 cars in his yard the cops shouldn't investigate it?



Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: TheButterZone on September 14, 2014, 09:10:07 AM
Growing marijuana is a victimless crime, car theft is not.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 14, 2014, 09:14:08 AM
Growing marijuana is a victimless crime, car theft is not.

Growing marijuana is illegal (there). Speeding is illegal.
None of the above is creating victims till something goes wrong.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: yatsey87 on September 14, 2014, 11:04:37 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: seriouscoin on September 14, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.

Some of you need to move out of your mamma's basement.

Having a search warrant doesnt require a "proof of guilt" but only probable cause.

What a bunch of idiots.

Whatever the home owner did, he must have a record for a probable cause.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: TrailingComet on September 14, 2014, 03:49:43 PM
What a low, scummy douchebag act!
You don't betray people to the authorities like that, it's like fucking East germany


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 14, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.

Some of you need to move out of your mamma's basement.

Having a search warrant doesnt require a "proof of guilt" but only probable cause.

What a bunch of idiots.

Whatever the home owner did, he must have a record for a probable cause.


Before that he should have not any drugs in his house and not have been involved in MJ  in the past.
He is not the innocent guy and stop blaming the cops.

They come in with a mandate , they fund the drugs they arrested the guy.

It's the same when a cops pulls you over for speeding and finds drugs in your car.
Bitcoin is irrelevant.




Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Dajve on September 14, 2014, 03:58:56 PM
What a low, scummy douchebag act!
You don't betray people to the authorities like that, it's like fucking East germany

It's not uncommon for electric companies to tip of the police about any suspicious usage.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: counter on September 14, 2014, 04:27:41 PM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.
You need to remember the police did not simply break into the person's house. They came with a warrant. There is a huge difference between the two. A search warrant is given by a neutral judge who can see that there is probable cause that a crime has been committed.

I know all to well how a raid works, no need to explain.  I may have jumped the gun a little bit(pun intended).  My issue is police many times have raided a persons home that has done no crime based on a bad tip.  People have gotten killed because of the poorly planned raids.  For me that is a problem I don't know why people can accept that kind of action,  What would everyone say if they guy got shot dead?  You need to put yourself in the position of the cops and the miner.  The cops could have easily spent time watching the house for obvious activity of marijuana growing but they didn't.

I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.


Some of you need to move out of your mamma's basement.

Having a search warrant doesnt require a "proof of guilt" but only probable cause.

What a bunch of idiots.

Whatever the home owner did, he must have a record for a probable cause.

 


And all people who have their house raided have a criminal history?  No, the reality is these raids are to often used instead of good old fashion police work before hand.  News flash sending swat into a home is dangerous and should only happen as a last resort option.  If their was a grow op in there the size they were looking for they would have had enough time to investigate and gather evidence, grow up and use your brain.

So if I don't like how the raid was handled I live in my moms basement and I'm an idiot?  No shit Sherlock tell  me  more.  Going by that logic I'd say you never stopped breast feeding and that is why your so cranky.  



Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: TheButterZone on September 14, 2014, 06:04:58 PM
Growing marijuana is a victimless crime, car theft is not.

Growing marijuana is illegal (there). Speeding is illegal.
None of the above is creating victims till something goes wrong.

The only way for growing marijuana to go wrong (to have victims) is for it to have civil rights violations inflicted upon the grower, their baby, and/or their non-aggressive dog.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Beliathon on September 14, 2014, 06:18:40 PM
http://billmoyers.com/2013/12/16/land-of-the-free-us-has-5-of-the-worlds-population-and-25-of-its-prisoners/
Yep, and 80% of them are black. It's Jim Crow 2.0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gln1JwDUI64)

We can end the war on drugs with compassion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlD6OdbuDK4).


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: wasserman99 on September 14, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.
You need to remember the police did not simply break into the person's house. They came with a warrant. There is a huge difference between the two. A search warrant is given by a neutral judge who can see that there is probable cause that a crime has been committed.

I know all to well how a raid works, no need to explain.  I may have jumped the gun a little bit(pun intended).  My issue is police many times have raided a persons home that has done no crime based on a bad tip.  People have gotten killed because of the poorly planned raids.  For me that is a problem I don't know why people can accept that kind of action,  What would everyone say if they guy got shot dead?  You need to put yourself in the position of the cops and the miner.  The cops could have easily spent time watching the house for obvious activity of marijuana growing but they didn't.

In order for the police to be able to present information from a "tip" the person giving the tip needs to be known to the police (they need to know their identity) and the person needs to be credible.

I am not 100% sure what exactly would be visible from the street when someone is growing drugs from inside a house, but I would think it would be very little if anything at all. I would think that the drug growers could easily do everything they needed to do behind closed doors, and just because they are growing drugs at the house does not mean they would be selling drugs out of the house.

The judge also disagreed that the police should have watched for more evidence as he signed the search warrant. 


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 14, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.
You need to remember the police did not simply break into the person's house. They came with a warrant. There is a huge difference between the two. A search warrant is given by a neutral judge who can see that there is probable cause that a crime has been committed.

I know all to well how a raid works, no need to explain.  I may have jumped the gun a little bit(pun intended).  My issue is police many times have raided a persons home that has done no crime based on a bad tip.  People have gotten killed because of the poorly planned raids.  For me that is a problem I don't know why people can accept that kind of action,  What would everyone say if they guy got shot dead?  You need to put yourself in the position of the cops and the miner.  The cops could have easily spent time watching the house for obvious activity of marijuana growing but they didn't.

In order for the police to be able to present information from a "tip" the person giving the tip needs to be known to the police (they need to know their identity) and the person needs to be credible.

I am not 100% sure what exactly would be visible from the street when someone is growing drugs from inside a house, but I would think it would be very little if anything at all. I would think that the drug growers could easily do everything they needed to do behind closed doors, and just because they are growing drugs at the house does not mean they would be selling drugs out of the house.

The judge also disagreed that the police should have watched for more evidence as he signed the search warrant. 

Use one of those :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2461412/Police-helicopter-s-thermal-imaging-camera-detected-home-cannabis-factory-heat-coming-lamps-grow-drugs-look-like-flat-GLOWING.html


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 14, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Again, if anyone will simply Google this guy and/or read the previous link I posted you will see his house was raided because he was using eight times the normal upper limits of residence that size *** AND *** had previous convictions for operating a grow house.

The BTC mining equipment was incidental and *** WAS NOT *** the reason his house was raided as so many who are not reading the whole thread seem to think.

Actually this guy deserves a lot of crap because the last thing Bitcoin needs is an association between illegal drug cultivation and bitcoin. Also again, it doesn't matter what your personal opinions are about MJ, it is still very much illegal in Virginia.

This guy knowingly committed a felony and paid the price.

I don't have an issue with the raid.


~BCX~


~ this is clearly the end of safe bitcoin mining !!! VIVA THE REVOLUTION !!! BWAAAHAHAHAHA  :D


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: QuestionAuthority on September 15, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: giveBTCpls on September 15, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
Well you haven't seen shit. Now you are at risk even if you try to buy some BTC physically off LocalBitcoins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYM9denOmSk

Imagine you try to buy some BTC and then the police kills you from a heart attack. Just lol.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Kprawn on September 15, 2014, 05:03:53 PM
Well, the marijuana farms can easily hide their operation, by faking a BTC mining operation.

What do they say... If there is smoke, there might be a fire.

A while back, it was more profitable to mine BTC than to grow marijuana.  ;D


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: QuestionAuthority on September 15, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.

I feel that way for crimes against children, violent crimes, or crimes committed with weapons of any kind if stated in an intelligent manner minus the "Skydaddy" addition.

Back on topic, you don't get much dumber than having been previously been busted for a grow operation knowing damn well your heat signature from an airborne thermal cam can be seen from 3000 meters as well as you electricity usage screaming you're at it again, even if it is something benign. Even dumber was having MJ present under those circumstances period.

This guy was stupid.

Stupidity cost him.


~BCX~

I think raiding the house with a large armed tactical squad wielding assault rifles may be over doing it a bit. That looks like the ground troops that were used on the raid of Osama bin Laden's compound. If they were afraid to knock on the door they should have just used a Pyros small tactical munition fired from a sentinel drone.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Window2Wall on September 15, 2014, 05:09:32 PM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.
I think your suggestion/"joke" is a little bit extreme, however drug users do cause a lot of crime. People who are addicted to drugs generally will do a lot to try to get their "fix" including prostituting themselves, robbing homes/people/stores (including potentially killing people who get in their way). There is also a much higher rate of domestic violence among drug users then there is of alcoholics.

It is also true that many people on welfare abuse drugs with government/taxpayer money


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Koko on September 15, 2014, 05:32:28 PM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.
I think your suggestion/"joke" is a little bit extreme, however drug users do cause a lot of crime. People who are addicted to drugs generally will do a lot to try to get their "fix" including prostituting themselves, robbing homes/people/stores (including potentially killing people who get in their way). There is also a much higher rate of domestic violence among drug users then there is of alcoholics.

It is also true that many people on welfare abuse drugs with government/taxpayer money

I think he was making a joke about marijuana specifically. I think a meth-head is more likely to rob and kill someone for a fix than a pothead. If you're going to lump marijuana with cocaine and meth into a generic label of "drugs", you can also make an argument that alcohol is a drug and alcoholics are also drug users.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: QuestionAuthority on September 15, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.
I think your suggestion/"joke" is a little bit extreme, however drug users do cause a lot of crime. People who are addicted to drugs generally will do a lot to try to get their "fix" including prostituting themselves, robbing homes/people/stores (including potentially killing people who get in their way). There is also a much higher rate of domestic violence among drug users then there is of alcoholics.

It is also true that many people on welfare abuse drugs with government/taxpayer money

Wow, pot must have improved a lot since the 70's. I'm going to have to get some of the new stuff and try it out. The last time I got high Columbian Gold was coming out of Florida by the truckload. That should tell you how long it's been. The only thing I was ever motivated enough to do high was eat twinkies. I think I would have forgotten what I was mad about long before I ever got around to beating my wife. It's much more likely that I would have beaten off watching her eat twinkies.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: counter on September 16, 2014, 06:29:15 AM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.
I think your suggestion/"joke" is a little bit extreme, however drug users do cause a lot of crime. People who are addicted to drugs generally will do a lot to try to get their "fix" including prostituting themselves, robbing homes/people/stores (including potentially killing people who get in their way). There is also a much higher rate of domestic violence among drug users then there is of alcoholics.

It is also true that many people on welfare abuse drugs with government/taxpayer money

That's really a lame tactic trying to lump cannabis with all other drugs/drug related crimes just to prove your point.  If cannabis grows were so dangerous  you would have seen crime rates go up in the states the grows are legal but that hasn't happened.  If anything it has done more to do to lesson "crime", like police arresting non violent people for possessing small amounts of cannabis. 


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 09:13:56 AM
I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.

I feel that way for crimes against children, violent crimes, or crimes committed with weapons of any kind if stated in an intelligent manner minus the "Skydaddy" addition.

Back on topic, you don't get much dumber than having been previously been busted for a grow operation knowing damn well your heat signature from an airborne thermal cam can be seen from 3000 meters as well as you electricity usage screaming you're at it again, even if it is something benign. Even dumber was having MJ present under those circumstances period.

This guy was stupid.

Stupidity cost him.


~BCX~

I think raiding the house with a large armed tactical squad wielding assault rifles may be over doing it a bit. That looks like the ground troops that were used on the raid of Osama bin Laden's compound. If they were afraid to knock on the door they should have just used a Pyros small tactical munition fired from a sentinel drone.


Pictures are not from this "arrest".

http://dailysurge.com/2014/05/fed-court-finds-search-seizure-guns-ok-without-warrant-evidence-crime/

http://chriswick.ca/jacksonville-police-staging-operation-operation-ceasefire/

Also , is there any other news source for this ?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: barwizi on September 16, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
Not saying this happened here...but don't cops have a habit of "finding" things when they need to.

I propose a situation whereby they were tipped off and did raid his home, found nothing and knew after all the recent lashing out at police tactics  they would be in a difficult position since they just broke into his home with flimsy probable cause. A deal was made which benefited the guy and so the sentence was conveniently "suspended".

I don't know much about your legal system, but is this a possibility?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
Not saying this happened here...but don't cops have a habit of "finding" things when they need to.

I propose a situation whereby they were tipped off and did raid his home, found nothing and knew after all the recent lashing out at police tactics  they would be in a difficult position since they just broke into his home with flimsy probable cause. A deal was made which benefited the guy and so the sentence was conveniently "suspended".

I don't know much about your legal system, but is this a possibility?

It's far more possible that a former MJ dealer had some drugs in his house isn't it?

Let's be honest , guys dealing in illegal drugs don't suddenly turn into angels.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Acidyo on September 16, 2014, 09:59:38 AM
Weird that the cops haven't showed up at my door yet, but then again I only have 4 miners operational.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
Weird that the cops haven't showed up at my door yet, but then again I only have 4 miners operational.

Do you also have a background in Mj growing and a criminal record?
Maybe that's the difference.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: barwizi on September 16, 2014, 10:32:26 AM
Not saying this happened here...but don't cops have a habit of "finding" things when they need to.

I propose a situation whereby they were tipped off and did raid his home, found nothing and knew after all the recent lashing out at police tactics  they would be in a difficult position since they just broke into his home with flimsy probable cause. A deal was made which benefited the guy and so the sentence was conveniently "suspended".

I don't know much about your legal system, but is this a possibility?

It's far more possible that a former MJ dealer had some drugs in his house isn't it?

Let's be honest , guys dealing in illegal drugs don't suddenly turn into angels.


Quite true, but as we all know there is always three sides to a story, i was throwing in a hypothesis.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Not saying this happened here...but don't cops have a habit of "finding" things when they need to.

I propose a situation whereby they were tipped off and did raid his home, found nothing and knew after all the recent lashing out at police tactics  they would be in a difficult position since they just broke into his home with flimsy probable cause. A deal was made which benefited the guy and so the sentence was conveniently "suspended".

I don't know much about your legal system, but is this a possibility?

It's far more possible that a former MJ dealer had some drugs in his house isn't it?

Let's be honest , guys dealing in illegal drugs don't suddenly turn into angels.


Quite true, but as we all know there is always three sides to a story, i was throwing in a hypothesis.

No , it's not always. And in this case it's just people trying to justify their wrong doings and blaming for all their failure in life.

Also , apart from this crappy blog post , do we have any confirmation this story actually happened?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 10:37:46 AM
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/Pot-Bust-Leads-To-Investigation-into-Mans-Computer-228429621.html

Updated: Sat 12:33 AM, Oct 19, 2013

Quote
BROADWAY, Va. -- Friday night, Jonas Diener was out on bond after being arrested earlier on in the week for possession of marijuana.

It isn't the first time he has been caught with marijuana. In 2010, he was caught with nearly a half pound of the drug while on the job at Rosetta Stone.

Diener's home is now the center of an investigation. Rockingham County Sheriff Bryan Hutcheson says it began after the sheriff's office received a tip from an anonymous person about illegal activity.

A search warrant WHSV obtained points out that a source with the Shenandoah Valley Electric Cooperative determined that Diener was using eight times the normal amount of electricity for his home.

"Upon conducting the search, we did find marijuana at the residence and those were the charges that we placed against that individual," said Hutcheson.

He says that lead to another discovery.

"We also found a very large volume of computer type of equipment, a computer operation. Again it was not consistent with what you would find in a residence," said Hutcheson.

That computer is now at a Drug Enforcement Agency crime lab.

"They are looking at that to determine exactly what it is, what it is all about. There's a number of things that it could possibly be," said Hutcheson.

Neighbors tell us they don't think Diener is a threat to the community.

Diener was not available for comment Friday when we attempted to interview him. His next court appearance is December 3.


BITCOIN????  Bitcoin anywhere?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: QuestionAuthority on September 16, 2014, 04:49:53 PM
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/Pot-Bust-Leads-To-Investigation-into-Mans-Computer-228429621.html

Updated: Sat 12:33 AM, Oct 19, 2013

Quote
BROADWAY, Va. -- Friday night, Jonas Diener was out on bond after being arrested earlier on in the week for possession of marijuana.

It isn't the first time he has been caught with marijuana. In 2010, he was caught with nearly a half pound of the drug while on the job at Rosetta Stone.

Diener's home is now the center of an investigation. Rockingham County Sheriff Bryan Hutcheson says it began after the sheriff's office received a tip from an anonymous person about illegal activity.

A search warrant WHSV obtained points out that a source with the Shenandoah Valley Electric Cooperative determined that Diener was using eight times the normal amount of electricity for his home.

"Upon conducting the search, we did find marijuana at the residence and those were the charges that we placed against that individual," said Hutcheson.

He says that lead to another discovery.

"We also found a very large volume of computer type of equipment, a computer operation. Again it was not consistent with what you would find in a residence," said Hutcheson.

That computer is now at a Drug Enforcement Agency crime lab.

"They are looking at that to determine exactly what it is, what it is all about. There's a number of things that it could possibly be," said Hutcheson.

Neighbors tell us they don't think Diener is a threat to the community.

Diener was not available for comment Friday when we attempted to interview him. His next court appearance is December 3.


BITCOIN????  Bitcoin anywhere?

What are the other things it could possibly be other than law enforcement bullshit artists?

Quote
"They are looking at that to determine exactly what it is, what it is all about. There's a number of things that it could possibly be," said Hutcheson


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: valiron on September 16, 2014, 05:56:19 PM

From PoW to PoE (Police Enforcement).

Don't smoke shit if you mine...


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: riiiiising on September 16, 2014, 06:09:39 PM
the police will come if you're using too much power??


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: V8x8d on September 16, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Heat-Sensing Helicopters have been detecting heat signatures through walls in the UK long before Bitcoins creation and raiding on this alone. I guess this is probably harder to spot in your wooden homes.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 06:40:10 PM
the police will come if you're using too much power??

If a in the original article not the fabricated one , you have a criminal record in MJ growing and somebody tips again the police it's likely.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: tzortz on September 16, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Ooops, I should decrease my hash rate...


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: bigasic on September 16, 2014, 09:15:28 PM
Im surprised that we haven't heard more about these types of raids. The only thing that makes it non-news in the bitcoin world is that he was probably growing marijuana or at least had some when they did the raid. Now, if we have a story of some poor miner that didn't have drugs and was raided, that would be news.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BCwinning on September 16, 2014, 09:16:14 PM
I don't get why the power company would do this shit.
As long as the person is current with their bill, they are getting paid.
Or was the employee an excuse for another method used?
Such BS they are pulling.
What's considered a "normal" amount? 2000kw a month? 1000?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: omgbossis21 on September 16, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Guarantee he never gets any of that equipment back and the dea make a nice chunk off auctioning it.  I completely disagree with the "well he served his time for it before so that's probable cause this time" argument.  I think its a waste of time and tax dollars and should of been handled very different.  For example, cops knock on door and says we have a tip that your power usage is off the wall and we're wondering what's going on, may we have a look around?  Knowing they can get their warrant when the guy says no within the hour he would likely let them and explain he mines bitcoin.  Fact is had they busted in and killed the guy (which happens on a regular basis here in the good ol US of A) it would just be "yea we killed him but he had pot", all officers would be cleared of any wrong doing and they still seize his equipment and make their money.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BCwinning on September 16, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
Guarantee he never gets any of that equipment back and the dea make a nice chunk off auctioning it.  I completely disagree with the "well he served his time for it before so that's probable cause this time" argument.  I think its a waste of time and tax dollars and should of been handled very different.  For example, cops knock on door and says we have a tip that your power usage is off the wall and we're wondering what's going on, may we have a look around?  Knowing they can get their warrant when the guy says no within the hour he would likely let them and explain he mines bitcoin.  Fact is had they busted in and killed the guy (which happens on a regular basis here in the good ol US of A) it would just be "yea we killed him but he had pot", all officers would be cleared of any wrong doing and they still seize his equipment and make their money.
Absolutely right, if he does get it back it's going to cost him a lot of money.
The system is set up that it costs you several thousand dollars to get back property that was
illegally seized. They sure don't just say here is your stuff back sorry.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 16, 2014, 10:14:05 PM
While DEA SWAT raid won't typically be carried out by evidence of a high electrical bill alone, the corroborating evidence can be extremely low to instigate a dangerous and violent raid in the US.

There are more and more cases like the example below where raids are done based upon horrible evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BJXD4iLn6g
Buy hydroponics from a store, police illegally check for excess heat (Very commonly done without search warrants - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmP_KtmcB4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmP_KtmcB4)) , police look for gardening evidence without bothering to even test for marijuana all will prompt a DEA Raid. These raids will often destroy property, cause tremendous psychological trauma , and sometimes kill innocent dogs and people.


Inland checkpoints with full body cavity searches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPEXYkffgpw


The laws in the US when it comes to asset seizures and drugs are going to insure that police continue to conduct dangerous raids and setup illegal inland checkpoints. America has become a police state.  


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: TheClownSong on September 16, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
Guarantee he never gets any of that equipment back and the dea make a nice chunk off auctioning it.  I completely disagree with the "well he served his time for it before so that's probable cause this time" argument.  I think its a waste of time and tax dollars and should of been handled very different.  For example, cops knock on door and says we have a tip that your power usage is off the wall and we're wondering what's going on, may we have a look around?  Knowing they can get their warrant when the guy says no within the hour he would likely let them and explain he mines bitcoin.  Fact is had they busted in and killed the guy (which happens on a regular basis here in the good ol US of A) it would just be "yea we killed him but he had pot", all officers would be cleared of any wrong doing and they still seize his equipment and make their money.
Absolutely right, if he does get it back it's going to cost him a lot of money.
The system is set up that it costs you several thousand dollars to get back property that was
illegally seized. They sure don't just say here is your stuff back sorry.
Even if he does get his miners back they will have deprecated in value by the time he gets them back as the difficulty is rising rapidly (making them less valuable). I also find it very hard to believe that a search warrant would include computer equipment to be seized if it is suspected that the man was growing drugs in his house.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 16, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Guarantee he never gets any of that equipment back and the dea make a nice chunk off auctioning it.  I completely disagree with the "well he served his time for it before so that's probable cause this time" argument.  I think its a waste of time and tax dollars and should of been handled very different.  For example, cops knock on door and says we have a tip that your power usage is off the wall and we're wondering what's going on, may we have a look around?  Knowing they can get their warrant when the guy says no within the hour he would likely let them and explain he mines bitcoin.  Fact is had they busted in and killed the guy (which happens on a regular basis here in the good ol US of A) it would just be "yea we killed him but he had pot", all officers would be cleared of any wrong doing and they still seize his equipment and make their money.
Absolutely right, if he does get it back it's going to cost him a lot of money.
The system is set up that it costs you several thousand dollars to get back property that was
illegally seized. They sure don't just say here is your stuff back sorry.
Even if he does get his miners back they will have deprecated in value by the time he gets them back as the difficulty is rising rapidly (making them less valuable). I also find it very hard to believe that a search warrant would include computer equipment to be seized if it is suspected that the man was growing drugs in his house.

You know that the raid was from last year and there is no mention about bitcoin miners in the press for all this period except a crappy article in a crappy blog like altcoinpress who denatured a post from 1 year ago to make it sensational?

Also they used a picture from another police operation?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: jjc326 on September 16, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
They can take anything in your home, basically, when they find drugs.  They'll use the law of forfeiture and say anything you got is due to selling drugs so they can take it.  You should see how much law enforcement gets, cars, cash, etc.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 16, 2014, 10:47:06 PM
They can take anything in your home, basically, when they find drugs.  

It's much worse than that. Asset forfeiture laws grant them the ability to steal from you if they find cash without drugs. Judges have decided that cash can be treated as a having "personhood" status and charged directly without evidence showing the money was used for illegal purposes.

This unusual interpretation of the law forces the defendant to have to hire a lawyer an prove the money was legally obtained for the chance of getting some of it back. You are therefore guilty until proven innocent.  

This is one reason why Bitcoin is so important and why any "Banking approved" services like Applepay will never have the same important use cases that Bitcoin can provide. Apple, paypal, and banks will instantly freeze your funds when a judge demands so, while the blockchain remains sovereign.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: counter on September 16, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
Police didn't find a grow op but a bag personal consumption, and then they stole his computers.  Anybody that can't understand that is borderline brain dead or far worse.  Paint the picture however you want about people stating the facts and their opinions.  The reality is the majority of people no right from wrong and don't need to be told the difference.  The post in this thread is clear evidence of that. 

 It's the people that refuse to admit when their wrong, they are the real issue.  Just like the cops in this story, some people can't admit when they are wrong and they will make up any bull just to seem credible.  In reality they are just butthurt children who don't have a clue how the real world works. 


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 16, 2014, 11:04:07 PM
What is most egregious, shouldn't be the fact that police may have used illegal methods to investigate his mining operation(IR detectors without a search warrant), or the fact that they stole his mining equipment, but the fact that certain humans are given special privileges to torture you, kidnap you and rob from you because you enjoy consuming a plant.

This is obscene and I would suggest that he should be in his right to defend himself against these unethical thugs.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: dKingston on September 16, 2014, 11:14:48 PM
Sad and funny story at the same time! That poor guy will go to jail for some weed but I don't understand a thing... Why did the police take the miners?
There is NOTHING illegal in mining! News still destroy credibility of bitcoin...


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 16, 2014, 11:22:15 PM
Sad and funny story at the same time! That poor guy will go to jail for some weed but I don't understand a thing... Why did the police take the miners?
There is NOTHING illegal in mining! News still destroy credibility of bitcoin...

They took them because the laws allow them to take any large amount of cash(with or without drugs) and all your possessions if they suspect you are dealing or profiting from drugs. They than are able to sell your assets on auction to buy themselves overtime, new gear, and bonuses.

This is the reason federal agents will often conduct raids even in the states where marijuana has been legalized or decriminalized. There is too much money being made by stealing from drug dealers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjRzOXgweVU


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 16, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
Sad and funny story at the same time! That poor guy will go to jail for some weed but I don't understand a thing... Why did the police take the miners?
There is NOTHING illegal in mining! News still destroy credibility of bitcoin...


it's obvious he bought the dope with bitcoin, so that's prolly why they decided to snatch his equipment !!!? :-\


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: wasserman99 on September 17, 2014, 12:22:44 AM
Sad and funny story at the same time! That poor guy will go to jail for some weed but I don't understand a thing... Why did the police take the miners?
There is NOTHING illegal in mining! News still destroy credibility of bitcoin...
He was arrested because he was found to be in possession of illegal drugs and drug paraphernalia. He also is not going to see the inside of a jail/prison as his sentence of 6 months was suspended in it's entirety, meaning that as long as he stays out of trouble he will not go to jail.

I am perplexed myself as to why the police seized his miners as they are not evidence of any crime nor are they illegal to have.

I disagree that this will have any impact on bitcoin itself


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: joesmoe2012 on September 17, 2014, 01:38:39 AM
If you are going to run Bitcoin farms it is not advisable to run MJ farms concurrently.

Some excellent words of wisdom.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Classy on September 17, 2014, 01:41:22 AM
I don't think it is fair that he got jail time just for that... It is unreasonable. Interesting share though. Thanks!


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: freedomno1 on September 17, 2014, 02:02:19 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.

True enough a large electricity bill by itself is not a crime
Should have not had to declare any criminal charges minus that marijuana I guess still was overkill for the things he was actually doing.
But as for seizing the miners pretty sure they were confused when they tried to search it lol.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: snappa4ever on September 17, 2014, 03:21:21 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.

True enough a large electricity bill by itself is not a crime
Should have not had to declare any criminal charges minus that marijuana I guess still was overkill for the things he was actually doing.
But as for seizing the miners pretty sure they were confused when they tried to search it lol.
You are correct to say that it is not illegal to use excess amounts of electricity. However this can be an indication of you doing something that is illegal (growing drugs in your house). Since the excess electric usage would typically mean illegal drug growing the judge was able to sign a search warrant authorizing the search of the residence


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BCwinning on September 17, 2014, 05:06:56 AM
I'd be so pissed if they broke into my house with loaded weapons simply because the electric company gave them a "tip".    Those rat bastards got their money for the bill but then ratted him out.  It isn't their job to report electricity use to the police, their not cops, that guy should be suing them and the cops.  Cops are to lazy to do any kind of investigation and just kick in doors from miscellaneous tips.  What did they find computers and some weed, tax dollars well spent I'd say.

I agree they should've collected more evidence before going in, because is a large electricity bill really proof of guilt of anything? In this case, obviously it wasnt.

True enough a large electricity bill by itself is not a crime
Should have not had to declare any criminal charges minus that marijuana I guess still was overkill for the things he was actually doing.
But as for seizing the miners pretty sure they were confused when they tried to search it lol.
You are correct to say that it is not illegal to use excess amounts of electricity. However this can be an indication of you doing something that is illegal (growing drugs in your house). Since the excess electric usage would typically mean illegal drug growing the judge was able to sign a search warrant authorizing the search of the residence
I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.
A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Ruthful on September 17, 2014, 07:37:04 AM

I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.



If the person had a record of growing marijuana  before it's pretty natural to jump to that conclusion, regardless of how correct that assumption is.it's  kinda like how excons got put into suspect list when related crimes occurred in  the vicinity.


A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"

I think "excessive " would mean having a electricity usage far higher than  normal(maybe magnitudes higher than thy's neighbours).I agree any of the activity listed would trigger that alert.I'm willing to bet that even if his excessive usage were due to the other activities listed he would still be raided based on his previously record .Especially if he kept those "hobbies" outside superficial scrutiny.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: cyberpinoy on September 17, 2014, 07:56:11 AM

I really don't understand why the some of the guys here on the forum try to pose always in victims of the system and cry how the government is raping their innocent asses every day.

The guy had a history if growing marijuana , he had drugs in his house , what more do you want.

So if a guy that has a criminal record for car theft has suddenly 10 cars in his yard the cops shouldn't investigate it?




So why were the miners seized then? if this situation revolved solely around marijuana, and past marijuana offenses got him here, and the warrant was specifically for drugs and more specifically marijuana what purpose was there to confiscate anything having to do with bitcoins, mining equipment, and what they referred to as "Physical" bitcoins.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: unpure on September 17, 2014, 07:57:10 AM
The article makes it sound like the guy was arrested because of bitcoin mining.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Ruthful on September 17, 2014, 08:08:49 AM



So why were the miners seized then? if this situation revolved solely around marijuana, and past marijuana offenses got him here, and the warrant was specifically for drugs and more specifically marijuana what purpose was there to confiscate anything having to do with bitcoins, mining equipment, and what they referred to as "Physical" bitcoins.

I don't know about the law there so I can only speculate:

1)Mining equipment:suspicious looking, unknown machinery (I doubt this cops would recognise a mining rig beforehand) that may be relevant to the  illegal activity.Possibly they thought it was contained some data(if they mistaken it for some server/computer) on contacts.

2)Physical bitcoin: it it even looked like casascius coin it could be mistaken for token/chips that hold monetary value  used in the illegal transaction, akin to how authorities seizes drug money and assets.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: darthcoin on September 17, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
To be honest I was really surprised that this didn't happen to me in my peak of mining. The household electricity bill went up literally 20x, and sat at that rate for about 6 months.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 17, 2014, 10:22:31 AM
The article makes it sound like the guy was arrested because of bitcoin mining.



Which is not true ;)

To be honest I was really surprised that this didn't happen to me in my peak of mining. The household electricity bill went up literally 20x, and sat at that rate for about 6 months.

Unless you already had a criminal record the police had no interest in you.
In my case I even had to phone the electricity company to change my plan and told them straight how much I'm going to consume per month.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 17, 2014, 12:52:01 PM
Unless you already had a criminal record the police had no interest in you.


Or have no criminal record and have a hobby gardening too..


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: knifeedge on September 17, 2014, 01:04:47 PM
Charged with marijuana possession, and yet they confiscate everything bitcoin related.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: data_teks on September 17, 2014, 01:18:18 PM
I'm waiting for the day when a large miner with no criminal history gets raided like this based purely on an "electric tip" and they literally find nothing wrong/illegal but someone ends up getting shot.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Bizzaran on September 17, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Charged with marijuana possession, and yet they confiscate everything bitcoin related.

I'm really interested if he'll get that stuff back.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BCwinning on September 17, 2014, 01:51:45 PM

I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.



If the person had a record of growing marijuana  before it's pretty natural to jump to that conclusion, regardless of how correct that assumption is.it's  kinda like how excons got put into suspect list when related crimes occurred in  the vicinity.


A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"

I think "excessive " would mean having a electricity usage far higher than  normal(maybe magnitudes higher than thy's neighbours).I agree any of the activity listed would trigger that alert.I'm willing to bet that even if his excessive usage were due to the other activities listed he would still be raided based on his previously record .Especially if he kept those "hobbies" outside superficial scrutiny.

He wasn't busted for growing but for possession of a 1/2 pound which is a big difference.
THerefore there wasn't probable cause that he was growing because he had possesion before.
If they caught him growing before ok but they didn't.
And really sherlock no shit "excessive" is more than "normal". Even I knew that.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Ruthful on September 17, 2014, 02:55:23 PM

He wasn't busted for growing but for possession of a 1/2 pound which is a big difference.
THerefore there wasn't probable cause that he was growing because he had possesion before.


It's not uncommon for previous criminal to "progress" onto the a higher tier of  action once they grew in confidence/experience(pretty much how most serious offenders evolve/devolve) .Its is still logical to assume that someone with a criminal record of possesing marijuana would want to attempt growing them as a next step  and the  sudden unexplainable rise in power  usage could be indicative of that.
Charged with marijuana possession, and yet they confiscate everything bitcoin related.

As somebody already stated:it's not uncommon to law enforcement to seize the asset(cash, gold,gambling chips etc) that they suspected were involved with illegal activities and thing that may contain incriminating data/evidence like computers( it's easy to see how the mining rig comes to play).


This story isn't about a bitcoin mining bust and it never was.The OP should really change the title to be not so misleading.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 17, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
HIDE THE BUTTERFLY LABS MACHINES!!!!!!!!  8)

http://wtfrly.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/brazil_cops.jpg


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: keithers on September 17, 2014, 09:57:54 PM
Little by little we are losing our personal freedoms every day.  This is utterly ridiculous.  Pretty soon governments will be watching everything through their TVs (if they aren't already doing that now)...


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: zorke on September 17, 2014, 10:16:19 PM

I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.



If the person had a record of growing marijuana  before it's pretty natural to jump to that conclusion, regardless of how correct that assumption is.it's  kinda like how excons got put into suspect list when related crimes occurred in  the vicinity.


A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"

I think "excessive " would mean having a electricity usage far higher than  normal(maybe magnitudes higher than thy's neighbours).I agree any of the activity listed would trigger that alert.I'm willing to bet that even if his excessive usage were due to the other activities listed he would still be raided based on his previously record .Especially if he kept those "hobbies" outside superficial scrutiny.

He wasn't busted for growing but for possession of a 1/2 pound which is a big difference.
THerefore there wasn't probable cause that he was growing because he had possesion before.
If they caught him growing before ok but they didn't.
And really sherlock no shit "excessive" is more than "normal". Even I knew that.
What he is actually charged with has nothing to do with what probable cause the police had when the warrant was issued. There were signs that he was growing illegal drugs in his house (which turned out to be a false positive) therefore there was probable cause that he was growing drugs. The fact that the police found something unrelated to the crime they thought he was committing does not have anything to do with probable cause.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BCwinning on September 17, 2014, 11:26:24 PM

I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.



If the person had a record of growing marijuana  before it's pretty natural to jump to that conclusion, regardless of how correct that assumption is.it's  kinda like how excons got put into suspect list when related crimes occurred in  the vicinity.


A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"

I think "excessive " would mean having a electricity usage far higher than  normal(maybe magnitudes higher than thy's neighbours).I agree any of the activity listed would trigger that alert.I'm willing to bet that even if his excessive usage were due to the other activities listed he would still be raided based on his previously record .Especially if he kept those "hobbies" outside superficial scrutiny.

He wasn't busted for growing but for possession of a 1/2 pound which is a big difference.
THerefore there wasn't probable cause that he was growing because he had possesion before.
If they caught him growing before ok but they didn't.
And really sherlock no shit "excessive" is more than "normal". Even I knew that.
What he is actually charged with has nothing to do with what probable cause the police had when the warrant was issued. There were signs that he was growing illegal drugs in his house (which turned out to be a false positive) therefore there was probable cause that he was growing drugs. The fact that the police found something unrelated to the crime they thought he was committing does not have anything to do with probable cause.
with your logic every criminal should be investigated because their is probable cause they will do it again.
Done arguing, go work for the prosecutors office they love guys like you.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: omgbossis21 on September 17, 2014, 11:38:39 PM
Plenty of people get charged and convicted and clean their life up to.  I know a few people that's been down both sides of the road, good and bad.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: tspacepilot on September 17, 2014, 11:45:56 PM
Wow, are those guys federal police?  They've all got assault rifles out like they're going to war or something?!  God that's fucking scary.  I'm glad I don't live in Virginia where apparantly the military is called in for marijuana suspicions!


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: zorke on September 18, 2014, 05:55:05 AM

I think it's close minded to think "excess" usage is automatically a grow op.



If the person had a record of growing marijuana  before it's pretty natural to jump to that conclusion, regardless of how correct that assumption is.it's  kinda like how excons got put into suspect list when related crimes occurred in  the vicinity.


A person could be doing one of several things easily. all consisting of working out of their home.
Even doing some of these things for a hobby would make a meter spin hard.
a good compressor will eat up electric (woodshop, autobody, mechanic etc etc)
a kiln will eat up electric (ceramics / glass making)
electric water heaters are notorious (chandlers and I have no idea what else) a lot of hot showers :P hah
obviously a bitcoin datacenter :P
someone could even have a real garden as well. (not the kind in the topic)
It would help to know what they consider "normal" or "excessive"

I think "excessive " would mean having a electricity usage far higher than  normal(maybe magnitudes higher than thy's neighbours).I agree any of the activity listed would trigger that alert.I'm willing to bet that even if his excessive usage were due to the other activities listed he would still be raided based on his previously record .Especially if he kept those "hobbies" outside superficial scrutiny.

He wasn't busted for growing but for possession of a 1/2 pound which is a big difference.
THerefore there wasn't probable cause that he was growing because he had possesion before.
If they caught him growing before ok but they didn't.
And really sherlock no shit "excessive" is more than "normal". Even I knew that.
What he is actually charged with has nothing to do with what probable cause the police had when the warrant was issued. There were signs that he was growing illegal drugs in his house (which turned out to be a false positive) therefore there was probable cause that he was growing drugs. The fact that the police found something unrelated to the crime they thought he was committing does not have anything to do with probable cause.
with your logic every criminal should be investigated because their is probable cause they will do it again.
Done arguing, go work for the prosecutors office they love guys like you.
I am not saying the probable cause was that the guy had grown drugs in his house before. I am saying that the probable cause was the fact that the electric usage was consistent with someone growing drugs in his house with very few other logical explanations to the high electric usage. Also you should remember that overall bitcoin adoption is well under 1% of the global population and the percentage of bitcoin users that are miners is also very small.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Ruthful on September 18, 2014, 06:42:15 AM
Wow, are those guys federal police?  They've all got assault rifles out like they're going to war or something?!  God that's fucking scary.  I'm glad I don't live in Virginia where apparantly the military is called in for marijuana suspicions!

Which picture are you're talking about? None of the ones posted on this thread so far was from the actual raid.Though I agree that the second picture reminds me of some sci-fi dystopian storm trooper getup.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: niothor on September 18, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Wow, are those guys federal police?  They've all got assault rifles out like they're going to war or something?!  God that's fucking scary.  I'm glad I don't live in Virginia where apparantly the military is called in for marijuana suspicions!

I wish they'd lock all those mariwane druggies up and throw away the keys. I don't know why they can't just drink whiskey like the rest of us. Whiskey never causes all the problems those druggie perverts have. I don't know why they didn't just shoot em' while they had the chance! They brought enough guns to solve the problem. Shoot their friggin kids too. They'll just grow up to live on welfare and take drugs anyway. Now the rest of us GOD fearin', church goin' folks are gonna have to pay to keep that worthless pervert locked up. They should just ship em' all to the state o' Mariurado so we don't have to pay for em'.


This sounds like a joke but I know people that think this way. One of them is a true drunken wife beater that is actually brave enough to show up at church on Sunday morning escorting a wife with a black eye.

I feel that way for crimes against children, violent crimes, or crimes committed with weapons of any kind if stated in an intelligent manner minus the "Skydaddy" addition.

Back on topic, you don't get much dumber than having been previously been busted for a grow operation knowing damn well your heat signature from an airborne thermal cam can be seen from 3000 meters as well as you electricity usage screaming you're at it again, even if it is something benign. Even dumber was having MJ present under those circumstances period.

This guy was stupid.

Stupidity cost him.


~BCX~

I think raiding the house with a large armed tactical squad wielding assault rifles may be over doing it a bit. That looks like the ground troops that were used on the raid of Osama bin Laden's compound. If they were afraid to knock on the door they should have just used a Pyros small tactical munition fired from a sentinel drone.


Pictures are not from this "arrest".

http://dailysurge.com/2014/05/fed-court-finds-search-seizure-guns-ok-without-warrant-evidence-crime/

http://chriswick.ca/jacksonville-police-staging-operation-operation-ceasefire/

Also , is there any other news source for this ?



Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: ndonnard on September 18, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
Typical law-enforcement agencies...


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 18, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
Wow, are those guys federal police?  They've all got assault rifles out like they're going to war or something?!  God that's fucking scary.  I'm glad I don't live in Virginia where apparantly the military is called in for marijuana suspicions!

i'm telling youes Virginia don't play ! ..sure there everyone has an uncle who smokes the weed,,,~

 ..but ohhh wait >> BITCOIN (DRUG) "MINING" MACHINES? ...wow that : MUST BE ILLEGAL!!!!  ;)  ..LMFAO!


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: commandrix on September 18, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Does anybody besides me think this may be a case for using some of your Bitcoin to install solar panels? You can really save money on electricity this way... :P


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 18, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
Does anybody besides me think this may be a case for using some of your Bitcoin to install solar panels? You can really save money on electricity this way... :P

nuclear !  8)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: johncarpe64 on September 19, 2014, 02:57:13 AM
Does anybody besides me think this may be a case for using some of your Bitcoin to install solar panels? You can really save money on electricity this way... :P
I think you have it backwards. It would be good to buy solar panels in order to mine bitcoin. The risk of what happened to the man in the OP article may somewhat make up for the fact that your miners could be seized if the electric company/law enforcement deems is suspicious that you are using so much electricity


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 19, 2014, 04:48:23 PM
illegal bitcoin mining busts is prolly why we are dropping?  ::)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 20, 2014, 04:32:55 AM
Little by little we are losing our personal freedoms every day.  This is utterly ridiculous.  Pretty soon governments will be watching everything through their TVs (if they aren't already doing that now)...

For shits and giggles, go ahead and plant a vegetable garden, then come harvest time put back a few seeds to use the following year to grow more plants. Guess what the penalty for that is if you get caught. Go ahead. Take a guess.

If you get away with that, trying milking a cow, then carry the milk across the street, which just so happens to be the state line, and give it to your neighbor, whereupon said neighbor gives you an apple pie. You won't believe how many laws were just broken with that simply act. Some severe.

Makes you almost wish you were an untouchable at Bear Stearns.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 20, 2014, 02:55:59 PM
Little by little we are losing our personal freedoms every day.  This is utterly ridiculous.  Pretty soon governments will be watching everything through their TVs (if they aren't already doing that now)...

For shits and giggles, go ahead and plant a vegetable garden, then come harvest time put back a few seeds to use the following year to grow more plants. Guess what the penalty for that is if you get caught. Go ahead. Take a guess.

If you get away with that, trying milking a cow, then carry the milk across the street, which just so happens to be the state line, and give it to your neighbor, whereupon said neighbor gives you an apple pie. You won't believe how many laws were just broken with that simply act. Some severe.

Makes you almost wish you were an untouchable at Bear Stearns.


mining vegetables! ~ i thought you had to get a special permit for that? lol  ;)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: toleng on September 20, 2014, 07:47:30 PM
Little by little we are losing our personal freedoms every day.  This is utterly ridiculous.  Pretty soon governments will be watching everything through their TVs (if they aren't already doing that now)...

For shits and giggles, go ahead and plant a vegetable garden, then come harvest time put back a few seeds to use the following year to grow more plants. Guess what the penalty for that is if you get caught. Go ahead. Take a guess.

If you get away with that, trying milking a cow, then carry the milk across the street, which just so happens to be the state line, and give it to your neighbor, whereupon said neighbor gives you an apple pie. You won't believe how many laws were just broken with that simply act. Some severe.

Makes you almost wish you were an untouchable at Bear Stearns.
There are regulations in place that are intended to protect consumers. Food needs to be produced and distributed in ways with safety in mind. In both of these examples you would be exposing others to risks that are unknown to them and that they assume they are not taking (because it is assumed that these regulations are followed)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: inBitweTrust on September 20, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
There are regulations in place that are intended to protect consumers. Food needs to be produced and distributed in ways with safety in mind. In both of these examples you would be exposing others to risks that are unknown to them and that they assume they are not taking (because it is assumed that these regulations are followed)

Centralization exposes people to risks as well. Excess regulations forces local farmers and producers out of the market and when an E. coli outbreak happens more food has to be recalled, and more people get sick.

There are other issues more important than safety as well, and one of them being preserving ones dignity and sovereignty. Do you believe you own your own body? If so than you should be able to consume unpasteurized cheeses and milk from your local permaculture farmer.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: fryarminer on September 21, 2014, 12:41:49 AM
Hold on second, they sized "a number of physical Bitcoins"?

Yeah I read that twice because I didn't get it either! What was he doing, showing them his physical bitcoins?


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: notbatman on September 21, 2014, 01:05:33 AM
Hold on second, they sized "a number of physical Bitcoins"?

Yeah I read that twice because I didn't get it either! What was he doing, showing them his physical bitcoins?

This reminds me of:

"We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check." --

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/03/03/why-the-tsa-hassled-a-traveler-with-bitcoin-in-his-bag/

I guess the authorities need to stay on-top of anybody who might try and smuggle Bitcoin out of the country via an airport.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: leannemckim46 on September 21, 2014, 04:23:47 AM
Hold on second, they sized "a number of physical Bitcoins"?

Yeah I read that twice because I didn't get it either! What was he doing, showing them his physical bitcoins?
I think this is bad reporting by the author of the article (on the other hand the author could have been quoting someone in the police department). What he likely meant to say was they seized a number of physical bitcoin miners.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: AllYouCanDo on September 21, 2014, 10:01:20 AM
this is such utter BS. As long as the man is paying his bill it's nobodies business how much power he's using.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: snappa4ever on September 22, 2014, 03:59:47 AM
this is such utter BS. As long as the man is paying his bill it's nobodies business how much power he's using.
It is an unfortunate reality that the government is in "bed" with the utility companies. Just look at all the information that the phone companies provide to the government; I am actually somewhat surprised that we have not seen some kind of disclosure by Snowden about the information that utility companies give to the government


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: FloodZone on September 22, 2014, 05:22:40 AM
this is such utter BS. As long as the man is paying his bill it's nobodies business how much power he's using.

I agree with you. However I have to suspect such things became socially acceptable for the same reason school teachers (at least in the US) are required to report domestic violence and other issues (I forget which ones) by law. "Oh, you don't want this to happen, so you have to report it to us!" The power company is likely under similar legislation; though it might just be a wink-and-nod agreement. We live in a police state; it breaks my heart to be unable to love my own country because of this kind of shit. Ok, I love my country, not the people who enforce and write the 'laws'.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: snappa4ever on September 22, 2014, 05:32:14 AM
this is such utter BS. As long as the man is paying his bill it's nobodies business how much power he's using.

I agree with you. However I have to suspect such things became socially acceptable for the same reason school teachers (at least in the US) are required to report domestic violence and other issues (I forget which ones) by law. "Oh, you don't want this to happen, so you have to report it to us!" The power company is likely under similar legislation; though it might just be a wink-and-nod agreement. We live in a police state; it breaks my heart to be unable to love my own country because of this kind of shit. Ok, I love my country, not the people who enforce and write the 'laws'.
I would say that at the very least electric/power companies should be investigating excessive usage. If a customer is using excessive electricity, the most common reason is likely a broken appliance and the customer is essentially paying more then they should be. If the electric company warns the customer of such excessive usage then they can take corrective action. (I know this does actually happen often with water companies, when for example people have a leaky pipe or a leaking toilet)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: BBmmBB on September 25, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
this is such utter BS. As long as the man is paying his bill it's nobodies business how much power he's using.

I agree with you. However I have to suspect such things became socially acceptable for the same reason school teachers (at least in the US) are required to report domestic violence and other issues (I forget which ones) by law. "Oh, you don't want this to happen, so you have to report it to us!" The power company is likely under similar legislation; though it might just be a wink-and-nod agreement. We live in a police state; it breaks my heart to be unable to love my own country because of this kind of shit. Ok, I love my country, not the people who enforce and write the 'laws'.
I would say that at the very least electric/power companies should be investigating excessive usage. If a customer is using excessive electricity, the most common reason is likely a broken appliance and the customer is essentially paying more then they should be. If the electric company warns the customer of such excessive usage then they can take corrective action. (I know this does actually happen often with water companies, when for example people have a leaky pipe or a leaking toilet)


no usually it's for indoor weed...this time he was growing bitcoins and simply smoking the dope..case closed !! ;-)


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: Aptidude on October 09, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
never mine no bitcoin where you rest at


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: MasterCasino on October 10, 2014, 05:21:54 AM
never mine no bitcoin where you rest at

Do it abroad.. Panama maybe.


Title: Re: Power Company Tip Leads to Bitcoin Mining Raid
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 13, 2014, 04:29:07 AM
Lesson learnt: If you want to mine bitcoins, then use electricity from your own sources (such as portable solar panels). That said, this guy was incredibly stupid to keep weed at his home, when he was running such a risky operation.