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Forget about the complications and negatives of living in a moneyless world for one second, but don't you think humanity could finally advance?

Nope.  Why should I work and support someone that doesn't?

I thought capitalism makes everyone happy no?  :P

Funny, but my 11yo niece has asked me more or less the same thing this afternoon (no joke). That was a nice opportunity we had, to talk about Capitalism/Communism, barter/money, libertarianism/statism... all these Manicheisms of our world...

I was amazed to see how interested she was on the subject.

Now, answering your question: I believe that a moneyless society would not make much progresses. It would be crippled and restricted to tribal life... maybe would be a "big family" style, like some South American Indian tribes...

it's almost impossible to live in a world without money today

You cannot survive without money because we all depend on this

People at the beginning of civilization lived without money.
If they wanted something they exchanged with something of the similar value, food for food etc.
Of course, in modern society something like this is not possible but I can imagine that paper money will gradually disappear and replaced with cards or just virtual money.

Didnt we do this but it was bartering, but people didnt want to certain trades leaving money to be universally accepted.

Actually, we went hunting, and shared the food, land owners were eaten, until one said, I know where there is more..

Why should I work if someone is naturally better looking, taller, smarter than me? why do I have to play on the same league?

But this I can imagine that paper money will gradually disappear and replaced with cards or just virtual money. is going to happen in developed countries and developing countries need centuries for this

Moneyless word means no paper money and no virtual money! At this point of the history of the humankind I think it is impossible!

Don't think it would really be possible. Something would have to be used as currency. What would you receive in return for your work or effort? A high five? A large percentage of people would rather sit there and let other people do all the work for them.

Wouldn't it be boring? No working harder to get that diamond ring and why we need to goto work to earn what? 

There is nothing wrong with currency by itself, its just that it has become so corrupted nobody knows anything different because of what they've lived through the past century, the only people who did know differently had died off a long time ago when the central banks took over everything. Currency was originally a very useful tool that was designed to solve the problem you have with bartering for items that people don't necessarily want very much, but instead we have hyperinflated currencies whose exchange rates are rigged worldwide by the banks and are extremely expensive to trade internationally.

can you imagine people throwing diamonds at each other because of the value is that theres so many lol.

Or because it doesnt have any value - a plastic ring will do when you get married  :)

I don't think returning to a barter system would do much for advancing humanity.

Believe it or not, but there are more than enough diamonds to go around for everybody.  DeBeers keeps the supply limited to keep prices high.

Money is a good tool to have and is a natural evolution from the bartering process, but the problem is how the money is issued. I see bitcoin as the next evolutionary step in that. Regardless of that, there are always going to be rich and poor people and getting rid of money wouldn't change that at all unfortunately.

If I got no choice. If money is abolished. Yeah, I think I can do that.

Yes i would, i dont have any anyway.

Humanity would still progress without money, in fact we would do so much more.  We're not going very far with money, greed ties us to death.

Without money, we would still have technology and we would still have will and purpose in life, it would just be our will instead of the will of the mind of greed.

People just fear change even when it's for the best.

If you eat the landowners then I think that's classed as poaching, not hunting ;D

On topic, I think a moneyless society can work on a small scale (think hippy communes etc.), but human nature seems to corrupt any money system if any individual group has too much power over it, which history has shown seems to happen when any money system/economy gets too big. eg Soviet "communism" which ended up as more of an unfair dictatorship, and the current crony-capitalism that we're living in now.

Currency is a brilliant idea, but human nature seems to corrupt any centrally controlled money system, hopefully Bitcoin can evolve to be a fairer system. Of course there will always be a wealth gap, but at least there won't be any authoritarian puppet masters at the top cheating the system for their own gains.

I could live in a moneyless world.

Providing everyone did their share and helped their fellow human whenever they could.

I doubt that could be achieved; there would always be someone trying to grab top spot and hoarding the pack for themselves.

Hard to go back in the age where people barter or exchange goods for the goods they want. Money is preferred.  ;D

Yes, things would be better, seeing rich people is depressing for the soul.

If everything would be sustainable, then sure.

Its hard to trade without money.

no money causes problems. Only problems

Agree to this. I want to have my own farm someday. :P

If I have anything I want. I don't need money at all.

ABSOLUTELY! It's called a gift society and is based in love. It will never happen.

Think of the gift economy, it would be good

I could see this 'not-reality' happening right now:

People's priorities would have to change and it would take a great deal of responsibility. So ya, never gonna happen.
http://www.joshisnotarobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/people-what-a-bunch-of-bastards-meme.jpg

I would prefer that. If everyone had to trade instead of grabbing for dollars, then people would only have as much as they contribute.

If you insist on trading for goods you may as well stick with money. It is by far the best tool to facilitate trade. However, if people weren't so selfish and petty, we could move on to a gift economy. (Not to be confused with charity or an actual exchange of gifts.) The world is a place of abundance, believe it or not, and scarcities are manufactured for the sake of profits. You wouldn't be so worried about what other people were contributing, since it wouldn't entirely matter, but I feel that mutual aid is nonetheless the ultimate goal. If we became responsible individuals and got our priorities straight, we could (for the most part) do as we wish and our "job/work" could be something we loved doing, even ever changing as we grow intellectually and spiritually, supported by all and not just a means of supporting ourselves and family.

Sadly, I do not see us ever giving up money, luxuries, militaries, various religious beliefs or any of the other many things and ideals that we believe we cannot be without, yet are the very things which keeps us seperated. Hence we are doomed as a species and will condemn multitudes of other species along with ourselves to the same dismal fate.

Have a nice day.  :)

world where everyhere using only bitcoins through mobile phones
sounds like heaven

Sounds like enslavement.  The distribution of wealth of bitcoin is hardly better than the dollar.

All we must do is remove money and acknowledge karma.  There will be a race for energy, happiness.  Everyone will do as much as they can to spread as much love around them, as they will learn that it all comes back to them.

If you have to be paid (bribed) to take care of your fellow men, then something is severely wrong.  There is a complete imbalance of spiritual energy if humanity lacks basic feeling such as empathy and compassion.

When we have people dying of thirst when we have machines to desalinate salt water and people dying of hunger when our world produces enough food to feed 10 billion, that's how you know something is not right.

People have been living and harvesting food for millennia, they didn't just forget how to grow food, greed is the cause of the desolation of mankind.

I don't think that virtualization will be the end in the evolution of money. I think we will ultimately live in a 'moneyless' world, but not in the way most people in this thread might think.

Money as we know it could be replaced by an highly efficient automatic barter system where each good and service is directly exchanged into other goods and services based on the requirements of the people doing the barter. So money as an intermediary would become obsolete. Actually it would be a recourse to the beginning of civilization but with improved efficiency due to technological advancement.

ya.ya.yo!

Currency is an optimal way to transmit information from consumers to the manufacturer of goods.

It's impossible at current civilization development stage, so no sense in this question. You won't understand how to live in such world, just like cave man won't understand the modern society.

Even socialist republics are using money to maintain the delivery of information about the requirements which should be fulfilled.

http://www.wbcc-online.com/new-releases/transnistria.jpg

there could be a point based system which accredits your education, knowledge, skills, work done, achievements etc into state regulated profile that is then lets you have access to better job, services, items, holidays etc according to your staus. though if you are disabled or unable to work then you can still receive basic support - being disble dont make you useless though, can still do education, art, music, phylosophy or whatever. able people that dont want to work should get help and encouragement or even punishment if needed. basically it would be a some form of socialist system. so yeah moneyless system in 21 century digital world is quite possible in theory, though in practice only if the international banking kabal system is toppled and some wars are fought over then we could get there within 10-30 years or so. but people infected with greed and corruption will have to be taken care of or/and rehabilitated somehow.

If there will be no money in that world there has to be something else similar to money.Like in the movie 'In Time' it was shown that time is used as money.There will always be something in money spot even if it's not actual money itself.

I can live in a moneyless world. That if everyone is living moneyless. I dont want to get jealous..

Probably just end up being a bartering world.

I feel like it would be impossible to live in a money less world now.

Money is a useful tool to have. If I brought back a deer from hunting and I offered somebody part of the meat if he'll help me cook it, he might be like, "No way, I don't like venison and anyway I'm roasting a rabbit I caught." The idea of money probably came about because people were getting a lot of that, so they decided they needed some kind of a place-holder they can use to exchange goods and services that are available now for goods and services that might be available later.

Can anyone recall the concept of sharing?

Working together?  For the betterment of everyone?

Anyone?

Jesus, I don't believe you are in any position to be so condescending, besides if you actually read every post in this thread I think you'd find the answer is, yes.

Why did you interpret my words as condescending?

A monetary system is the opposite of sharing.  Money constricts humanity's progress and is the cause of all that is wrong today.

Money enslaves us, only once we share will we find true freedom, only once we share will we find true peace, for to attain true freedom and inner peace, we must realize we are all one.

Because you act like you are above us and assume that no-one here understands the concept of sharing and co-operation, or even what a monetary system is for that matter. Granted most of the posts in this thread expressed a belief in the need of either a monetary or barter system, but once more if you actually read every post you would see that there is a few of us here who feel differently.

No. I can't imagine a liveable place without money.

I don't know about humanity, but I do love money quite much and simply could not live without it ;D

i love money
they never lie!