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Economy => Trading Discussion => Topic started by: element6 on September 15, 2014, 12:14:55 PM



Title: Add some control to your bitcoin investment
Post by: element6 on September 15, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSv19KNf48M

An example to illustrate Maximiser.

Let's suppose the price of bitcoin is at $100.
If you invest this $100 in a Maximiser, in 14 days, you will get EITHER
>  $102.39 USD (that's an annualised return of 85%)
or
>  1.0447959 BTC  ($102.39 / $98 = cash settlement / strike)

So which payout do you get?
It depends on a predetermined price called, strike. If the final bitcoin price at the end of the 14 days is above the strike, you'll receive USD, otherwise you'll get BTC. The example above uses a strike of $98

You can find out more here: https://www.coinarch.com/Info/MaximiserOverview

Bitcoin is awesome! :)


Title: Re: Add some control to your bitcoin investment
Post by: btcguys on September 16, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
that is a 2.39% return and it does not include other fees such as sending fee (wire transfer fee $40) and reeving fee ($15) and buying fee (commission rate).

Edit:
Example 1: let's say you place $100/BTC order and Bitcoin price goes below $1. You will receive 1 Bitcoin.
Example 2: if Bitcoin prices goes above $100 then you will receive certain percentage on price increase and not full profit. So it is best to invest it yourself.


Title: Re: Add some control to your bitcoin investment
Post by: BTCfan668 on September 16, 2014, 04:52:53 AM
that is a 2.39% return and it does not include other fees such as sending fee (wire transfer fee $40) and reeving fee ($15) and buying fee (commission rate).

Edit:
Example 1: let's say you place $100/BTC order and Bitcoin price goes below $1. You will receive 1 Bitcoin.
Example 2: if Bitcoin prices goes above $100 then you will receive certain percentage on price increase and not full profit. So it is best to invest it yourself.
The 2.39% is the actual return, the OP annualized this rate to assume you would continue to get this rate over a year. Regardless this is likely not a legit investment opportunity (even if you ignore the costs involved). The return is simply too high


Title: Re: Add some control to your bitcoin investment
Post by: element6 on September 16, 2014, 01:52:51 PM
that is a 2.39% return and it does not include other fees such as sending fee (wire transfer fee $40) and reeving fee ($15) and buying fee (commission rate).

Edit:
Example 1: let's say you place $100/BTC order and Bitcoin price goes below $1. You will receive 1 Bitcoin.
Example 2: if Bitcoin prices goes above $100 then you will receive certain percentage on price increase and not full profit. So it is best to invest it yourself.
The 2.39% is the actual return, the OP annualized this rate to assume you would continue to get this rate over a year. Regardless this is likely not a legit investment opportunity (even if you ignore the costs involved). The return is simply too high

There is a conversion between btc to usd when you invest, otherwise you don't pay brokerage for maximiser.

As far as the credibility goes, Coinarch shows their faces on their website, goes to conferences, and participates in bitcoin panels.
https://www.coinarch.com/Info/AboutCoinarch
https://plus.google.com/113776688557331719084/posts
https://www.facebook.com/coinarch



Title: Re: Add some control to your bitcoin investment
Post by: coinarch on September 17, 2014, 12:38:29 AM
that is a 2.39% return and it does not include other fees such as sending fee (wire transfer fee $40) and reeving fee ($15) and buying fee (commission rate).

Edit:
Example 1: let's say you place $100/BTC order and Bitcoin price goes below $1. You will receive 1 Bitcoin.
Example 2: if Bitcoin prices goes above $100 then you will receive certain percentage on price increase and not full profit. So it is best to invest it yourself.
The 2.39% is the actual return, the OP annualized this rate to assume you would continue to get this rate over a year. Regardless this is likely not a legit investment opportunity (even if you ignore the costs involved). The return is simply too high

Hi BTCfan668,

Glad you think the returns look attractive. The Maximiser product offers such attractive rates because of its nature, specifically the fact that if the bitcoin price finishes below the strike then the bitcoins you receive are bought at the strike.

You can learn more about the Maximiser by reading up on 'Reverse Convertibles'. These are very common products in the investment world across all major asset classes (shares, FX, gold, etc.). What we have done with the Maximiser is bring the Reverse Convertible to the bitcoin space.