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Title: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: jeffersonairplane on September 20, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
As of current state, what is the most ASIC/FPGA resistant algo?

I am conducting some research on proof of work algorithms for a future crypto related project and would like to hear from the community, based on your opinion, which algo is the most "GPU miner friendly"?

 :)


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: Willisius on September 21, 2014, 01:50:49 AM
Apparently Neoscrypt will be for GPUs and have long-term ASIC resistance, but the GPU mining software isn't done so it's not released yet. Other than that, I couldn't say for sure.


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: Gumbork on September 21, 2014, 02:15:56 AM
Apparently Neoscrypt will be for GPUs and have long-term ASIC resistance, but the GPU mining software isn't done so it's not released yet. Other than that, I couldn't say for sure.

I dont get it, why is neoscrypt more ASIC resistance then other algo? what about x11 and so on..


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: jeffersonairplane on September 21, 2014, 03:37:29 AM
Apparently Neoscrypt will be for GPUs and have long-term ASIC resistance, but the GPU mining software isn't done so it's not released yet. Other than that, I couldn't say for sure.

Cool, I will take a look into Neoscrypt. Have not heard of this one before.


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: kev7112001 on September 21, 2014, 08:09:58 AM
As of current state, what is the most ASIC/FPGA resistant algo?

I am conducting some research on proof of work algorithms for a future crypto related project and would like to hear from the community, based on your opinion, which algo is the most "GPU miner friendly"?

 :)

XPM(primecoin)


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: MONERO.RS on September 21, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
Probably CryptoNight (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNight).


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: Test User on September 21, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
I dont get it, why is neoscrypt more ASIC resistance then other algo? what about x11 and so on..
It's not. It's less resistant than scrypt, by virtue of dramatically reducing the memory requirements, which was scrypt's "difficult to parallelize" feature.

The only reason that it's likely to be FPGA/ASIC resistant is obscurity.


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: uray on September 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
burst (http://burstcoin.info/)

its asic resistant, bot-net resistant, gpu-resistant, cpu-resistant
what you need is free space on your storage, it does not even consume electricity more than hundreds watt or any cpu usage


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: seattlenonsmoker on September 21, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
burst (http://burstcoin.info/)

its asic resistant, bot-net resistant, gpu-resistant, cpu-resistant
what you need is free space on your storage, it does not even consume electricity more than hundreds watt or any cpu usage

On the instructions for BurstCoin it says that it can be mined with SHA-256 and SCRYPT miners... Any idea how that works? This is a really interesting concept.... Thanks for bringing this into the picture!


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: uray on September 21, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
burst (http://burstcoin.info/)

its asic resistant, bot-net resistant, gpu-resistant, cpu-resistant
what you need is free space on your storage, it does not even consume electricity more than hundreds watt or any cpu usage

On the instructions for BurstCoin it says that it can be mined with SHA-256 and SCRYPT miners... Any idea how that works? This is a really interesting concept.... Thanks for bringing this into the picture!

that is via multipool, so you mine SHA256 / scrypt coins, then those mined coins is sold into btc, and with that btc they buy Burst, this process is automatic via burst multipool


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: seattlenonsmoker on September 21, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
I don't like the idea of pumping and dumping currencies but BTC is the golden ticket....


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: jeffersonairplane on September 28, 2014, 08:54:17 PM
burst (http://burstcoin.info/)

its asic resistant, bot-net resistant, gpu-resistant, cpu-resistant
what you need is free space on your storage, it does not even consume electricity more than hundreds watt or any cpu usage

Thanks, this seems interesting. Will take a deeper look into this algo


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: tom99 on September 28, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
As of current state, what is the most ASIC/FPGA resistant algo?

I am conducting some research on proof of work algorithms for a future crypto related project and would like to hear from the community, based on your opinion, which algo is the most "GPU miner friendly"?

 :)


   Dont forget VTC and will change algo again in Dec to keep way from scrypt-N.


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: ChekaZ on September 28, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
I dont get it, why is neoscrypt more ASIC resistance then other algo? what about x11 and so on..
It's not. It's less resistant than scrypt, by virtue of dramatically reducing the memory requirements, which was scrypt's "difficult to parallelize" feature.

The only reason that it's likely to be FPGA/ASIC resistant is obscurity.

So you say NeoScrypt is less resistant to ASICs than Scrypt? -  ::)


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: Test User on September 28, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
So you say NeoScrypt is less resistant to ASICs than Scrypt? -  ::)
It's less resistant from a technical perspective. I'd expect the gap between ASICs and GPU to be about 10x wider for neoscrypt, compared with scrypt.

From a practical perspective, only minor alts are going to be using neoscrypt, so there isn't going to be any significant money to be made; and more importantly, many of the coins using neoscrypt are switching from another algo. If they've switched algo once, they're probably going to switch again, so again ASICs won't be useful.

Neoscrypt also has big disadvantages, in that it is very slow for CPUs. This makes verifying the blockchain much slower, and may make it impractical for mobile devices which are power constrained.

If you want your coin to be ASIC resistant, then the easiest way to do it is to say that you will change the PoW algo when and if you feel like it. 




Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: POM on September 29, 2014, 04:50:25 AM
Lyra2


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: binary_tree on September 29, 2014, 07:13:51 AM
Maybe crytptonite and HEFTY1


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: tromp on November 12, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
Cuckoo Cycle.

The only proof-of-work mentioned here that can claim anywhere near the same resistance is Burst.



Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: Equate on November 12, 2014, 04:32:04 PM
Could be Lyra2 .


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: LTCMAXMYR on November 14, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
no algo is ASIC Resistant.
most algos had been made FPGA, even crytptonite ,HEFTY1 and prime-series
a single FPGA chip,
for x11,X13,prime,FPGA is much faster then any GPU,
for memory-hard styles,such as scrypt,crytptonite,it is the same speed,but only 1/10  power,
currently,the only algo that fpga cannot fight back is HEFTY1,FPGA expert proved,it is only 158K per chip,but 290x is 28M, 980 is 40M



Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: djm34 on November 15, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Could be Lyra2 .
that's not obvious... was reading the paper yesterday, the algo is in essence gpu/fpga resistant (parallelization resistant... meaning the goal is to make brute force attack impossible), however it doesn't say anything about asic (could be exactly the same as scrypt-n)


Title: Re: The MOST ASIC Resistant Algo?
Post by: djm34 on November 15, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
no algo is ASIC Resistant.
most algos had been made FPGA, even crytptonite ,HEFTY1 and prime-series
a single FPGA chip,
for x11,X13,prime,FPGA is much faster then any GPU,
for memory-hard styles,such as scrypt,crytptonite,it is the same speed,but only 1/10  power,
currently,the only algo that fpga cannot fight back is HEFTY1,FPGA expert proved,it is only 158K per chip,but 290x is 28M, 980 is 40M
so you know someone mining m7 cryptonite (xcn) with a fpga ? Not that it is particularly fpga resistant as the algo does 7 algo in parallel...

edit: you are probably talking about cryptonote  ;D