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Title: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: noviapriani on September 23, 2014, 02:11:04 PM
US forces who bombed Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) fighters in Syria also targeted a separate armed group plotting an imminent attack against US and Western forces, the US defence ministry has said.

Arab allies Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates took part in the strikes, which started early on Tuesday, it added.

Eight US airstrikes were aimed at the Khorasan group which is made up of experienced al-Qaeda operatives, the Pentagon said in a statement.

"The United States has also taken action to disrupt the imminent attack plotting against the United States and Western interests conducted by a network of seasoned al-Qaeda veterans - sometimes referred to as the Khorasan Group - who have established a safe haven in Syria to develop external attacks, construct and test improvised explosive devices and recruit Westerners to conduct operations," the statement said.

The US military used fighter jets as well as remotely piloted aircraft and Tomahawk missiles to conduct 14 strikes against ISIL.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/09/us-begins-bombing-isil-positions-syria-201492313622252650.html


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Nemo1024 on September 23, 2014, 02:46:03 PM
Psaki admitted that US didn't ask permission from Syria to bomb Syrian territory and didn't coordinate the attack with the Syrian government:
http://russian.rt.com/article/51241


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: BADecker on September 23, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
The U.S. covertly helped create ISIS so that they have something to bomb.  :)


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: umair127 on September 23, 2014, 03:57:50 PM
As always, US starts with good intentions and is promised support from alies, which is invariably weak or non-existant. The Arab Countries supporting the US will either play both sides or simply avoid getting into the fray because they are worried that ISIS will target them next


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Rigon on September 24, 2014, 03:21:38 PM
It is nice that these countries finally came to Bashar's help and destroyed the evil they had started and nurtured themselves. Destroying AQ and ISIS is good, no matter who does it. the Syrian Government is probably very grateful. Warning to all terrorists and such. The fact that the West might help you doesn't mean that they will not destroy you later.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 24, 2014, 05:02:44 PM
The Islamic State already knew about the bombings, so all bases and headquarters were closed down, who are they bombing?


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: chopstick on September 24, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
It's a farce, the USA's real target is Assad who they have been trying to get rid of for years. Watch these bombings eventually turn into targeting of Assad government forces.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Tusk on September 25, 2014, 04:40:33 AM
Bombing ‘imminent threat’: US justifies strikes without ‘direct request’ from Syria

The UN chief is “aware” that the Syrian government did not directly “request” airstrikes on terrorist targets on their soil and urged all parties involved in the US-led anti-ISIS campaign to take all necessary precautions to minimize civilian casualties.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he is “aware” that the US-led intrusion and airstrikes on Islamic State targets were not carried out “at the direct request of the Syrian Government,” in a statement delivered at a climate summit press conference.

However, he noted that Damascus “was informed beforehand” and that the strikes took place in “areas no longer under the effective control” of the government.

“I regret the loss of any civilian lives as a result of strikes against targets in Syria. The parties involved in this campaign must abide by international humanitarian law and take all necessary precautions to avoid and minimize civilian casualties,” the UN chief added.


http://rt.com/news/190112-syria-strikes-us-un/ (http://rt.com/news/190112-syria-strikes-us-un/)

What is interesting is the UN response,  UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon states that because “areas no longer under the effective control” of the government, this justifies strikes without ‘direct request’ from Syria  ???

So the US backs rebels/terrorists to destabilise Syria, then when the the Syrian government is no longer in control of that area it gives the US the legitimacy to invade. By the same token then Russia has the right to invade Eastern Ukraine.  :P


Such hypocrisy  


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: BTCmoons on September 25, 2014, 04:52:01 AM
The Islamic State already knew about the bombings, so all bases and headquarters were closed down, who are they bombing?
IS aka ISIS doesn't exactly have bases nor do they have any kind of headquarters. They also did not know the exact location of the airstrikes so they cannot move their "troops" away from the areas getting blown up.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Rassah on September 25, 2014, 05:12:31 AM
So the US backs rebels/terrorists to destabilise Syria, then when the the Syrian government is no longer in control of that area it gives the US the legitimacy to invade. By the same token then Russia has the right to invade Eastern Ukraine.  :P  

If Russia invades Eastern Ukraine to bomb and destroy the separatists, Ukraine would only be grateful. Your analogy only works if US were to continue to support ISIS, and invaded to help them take over the rest of Syria.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: nidhish on September 25, 2014, 07:14:54 AM
I can see another Iraq or Afghanistan on Syria .  :-X


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: BADecker on September 25, 2014, 07:23:42 AM
"Wars, and rumors of wars." Just like Jesus said 2,000 years ago.

While there always have been wars and rumors of wars, they are increasing today because of our modern communications and transportation abilities.

Jesus' words, above, were spoken in His description of the last days - I mean the real last days, not the ones that the early church thought were the last days.

Expect:
1. Collapse of the banking system, worldwide.
2. Collapse of many governments, worldwide.
3. A new, unexpected, unknown world government system rising up.
4. Something that looks like peace and safety with the new governmental system.
5. "Marrying and giving in marriage" like in the days of Noah before the flood.
6. Jesus' return at that time.
7. The above will not take long to play out once the banks collapse.

:)


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Paya on September 25, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
I don't think that anyone should be surprised if, at some point, them Yanks start bombing Syrian army too. They managed to sneak in through the backdoor and it's quite hard to believe that they won't use this chance to deal with Assad. What has to be kept in mind, though, is the fact that Syria did not invite American air force to operate within its internationally recognized borders.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: fsb4000 on September 25, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
I think that in the USA there are terrorists, so we should bomb every united state ??? ???
Why American population supports the killing of civilians? American population will be next  :-\


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Tusk on September 25, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
So the US backs rebels/terrorists to destabilise Syria, then when the the Syrian government is no longer in control of that area it gives the US the legitimacy to invade. By the same token then Russia has the right to invade Eastern Ukraine.  :P  

If Russia invades Eastern Ukraine to bomb and destroy the separatists, Ukraine would only be grateful. Your analogy only works if US were to continue to support ISIS, and invaded to help them take over the rest of Syria.

Remember the US first tried to attack syria directly but was blocked, so they arm some terrorists to destabilise the area, Now they then claim are out of control and this the UN says it gives them legitimacy to intervene directly. This was just a way for the US to get access to Syria, during this suppression of IS, the US knows the situation will deteriorate till they get to attack the Syrian Gov as they had planned to all along. This IS confrontation is just a workaround to get legitimacy to topple Syria.

By the same token Russia could claim the Ukrainian gov is not in control and is stepping in to defend the Eastern Ukrainian Civilians, by preventing Kiev from killing its own civilians. Kiev is clearly not in control of its territory and the rebels are not interested in going beyond Eastern Ukrainian. If Russia intervened the rebels will happily cease fighting as Kieve will be stopped. A far more legitimate intervention then that which is taking place in the middle east.

This notion that because a country is turmoil it gives others the right just to step in without international consensus, is ludacris.  Something the US does not have. And IS is a manifestation of the US's previous failed endeavors. When the only tool you have is a hammer all your problems look like nails.  

I doubt that the US want peace they IMO are deliberately using IS as a cover to go after Syria and then Iran.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Paya on September 25, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
This notion that because a country is turmoil it gives others the right just to step in without international consensus, is ludacris.  Something the US does not have.

Since when did America start caring about the international law? We can still see them trying to lecture others about this imaginary thing, although they did their best to destroy and turn it into a joke in the past decades.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: samaricanin on September 25, 2014, 01:53:14 PM
America is just like Galactic Empire from Star Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Rassah on September 25, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
"Wars, and rumors of wars." Just like Jesus said 2,000 years ago.

While there always have been wars and rumors of wars, they are increasing today because of our modern communications and transportation abilities.

Jesus' words, above, were spoken in His description of the last days - I mean the real last days, not the ones that the early church thought were the last days.

Expect:
1. Collapse of the banking system, worldwide.
2. Collapse of many governments, worldwide.
3. A new, unexpected, unknown world government system rising up.
4. Something that looks like peace and safety with the new governmental system.
5. "Marrying and giving in marriage" like in the days of Noah before the flood.
6. Jesus' return at that time.
7. The above will not take long to play out once the banks collapse.

How is ANY of that different from the ACTUAL world war 2 that already happened, where banks collapsed during the great depression, governments collapsed, an unexpected government system, Fascism, rose up to try to take over the world, etcetcetc. Only thing missing was Jesus showing up. I don't think he's coming.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Rassah on September 25, 2014, 03:48:19 PM
So the US backs rebels/terrorists to destabilise Syria, then when the the Syrian government is no longer in control of that area it gives the US the legitimacy to invade. By the same token then Russia has the right to invade Eastern Ukraine.  :P  

If Russia invades Eastern Ukraine to bomb and destroy the separatists, Ukraine would only be grateful. Your analogy only works if US were to continue to support ISIS, and invaded to help them take over the rest of Syria.

Remember the US first tried to attack syria directly but was blocked, so they arm some terrorists to destabilise the area, Now they then claim are out of control and this the UN says it gives them legitimacy to intervene directly. This was just a way for the US to get access to Syria, during this suppression of IS, the US knows the situation will deteriorate till they get to attack the Syrian Gov as they had planned to all along. This IS confrontation is just a workaround to get legitimacy to topple Syria.

Is supporting the rebels, versus bombing the rebels, irrelevant in this case? Another big difference is that a lot of those ISIS members aren't actually from the US military. US armed and trained them, not sent a few thousand troops to reinforce them.

I guess if the separatists in Eaten Ukraine turn insane and start shooting at Russia, then Russia will be forced to go in and fight them, while Ukrainians will be laughing at them, in which case the scenario will be similar.


Title: Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS.
Post by: Nemo1024 on September 25, 2014, 06:56:00 PM
America is just like Galactic Empire from Star Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)

I had that feeling too:
http://stanislavs.org/ukraine-events-resonating-with-half-life2-harry-potter-and-star-wars/