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Title: Lessons learned from Occupy Wall Street
Post by: Bitware on May 06, 2012, 02:18:59 PM
... or... the mistakes movements make that lead to diminishing support & eventual failure

I will go on record as a supporter of the original occupy walls street goals, which were to end the corruption of our politicians and our political process by the monied interests of the world. That didnt last long and was never effectively managed or disseminated. I no longer suppor tthe occupy wall street movement for the following reasons:

  • Lack of clear and concise goals, and strategies to achieve those goals.

  • Allowing fringe participation in an effort to show broader support than exists, that alienates and prevents majority support required in our representative political system, which eventually makes the message muddled, confusing, and diluted, all of which allows easier infiltration by agent provacateurs and divide and conquer tactics by those against the goals of the movement.

  • Failure to base the movement on issues that garner broad nation-wide support of the majority ... lack of unification that leads to divisiveness.

  • Operations under the naive presumption that ANY unification can ocurr through the attachment of political wedge issues that only divide us further. No one wins an ideological argument.

  • Failure to appeal to the majority. We will never be a far left or far right world but that seems to be the direction most movements take, mostly for larger up-front support, which really kills percentages of support because it appears partisan in nature. A more middle-of-the-road message is required for broad majority support. This is why the center is so popular, and politicians and movements who keep to the center have much more success and longevity.

  • Failure to keep it simple. The more broad and complex the less support you will garner. The farther you stray from the simple core issues, the more support decreases, because less people will agree.

  • Failure to properly educate citizens on the core issues.


feel free to keep adding on to them.



Title: Re: Lessons learned from Occupy Wall Street
Post by: Nyaaan on May 07, 2012, 02:32:48 PM
Seems correct.


Title: Re: Lessons learned from Occupy Wall Street
Post by: Explodicle on May 07, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Bingo. I was hoping Occupy would become Chartism 2.0.... look at their demands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartism

Chartism seems completely reasonable to most people now. But at the time it was radical. They had a clear agenda, and although they failed at the time, they won the hearts and minds of future generations.

What will future generations take from Occupy? That complaining alone isn't enough. Make a solid suggestion and go through the trouble of arguing it, even if it hurts your numbers.


Title: Re: Lessons learned from Occupy Wall Street
Post by: steelhouse on May 08, 2012, 08:30:56 AM
1. Failure of government was mistaken as failure of capitalism.
2. In the end, the liberal mayors don't want to see you on their drive in to work in their $60K Lexus's paid for on the government dime.