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... claims scientist - and she has the maths to prove it.

From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.html#ixzz3ELy9C2DR

• Scientist claims she has mathematical proof black holes cannot exist
• She said it is impossible for stars to collapse and form a singularity
• Professor Laura Mersini-Houghton said she is still in 'shock' from the find
• Previously, scientists thought stars much larger than the sun collapsed under their own gravity and formed black holes when they died
• During this process they release a type of radiation called Hawking radiation
• But new research claims the star would lose too much mass and wouldn't be able to form a black hole
• If true, the theory that the universe began as a singularity, followed by the Big Bang, could also be wrong

Read more at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.html#ixzz3ELy9C2DR.

What do you think?

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claims,claims,claims

when she proves it, I'll believe it

Yeah sure (http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/castles/). Next claim will be "sky is green" or "earth is flat"

Well, let's wait the review from her peers. :)

Sorry to prove you wrong but...

... my local government is the final and definitive proof that black holes does exist. If you try to contact them, you're immediately redirected into a black hole, and you could yell, scream, pinch, punch, get wasted, run around naked and screaming, claim you're suicidal, bang your head in a brick wall, beg like a dying man, roar like a lion, adress them politely like a diplomat, or cry like a heroinist trying to get off drugs, all to no avail. You're met with darkness, black matter, nothing, zilch, zero, emptiness, spacelessness, it's the void aka the black hole.

You're welcome.

u call 9-11 and say your guilty of a crime.  what's the worst that could happen

The big bang is consciousness, it is a constant manifestation of now.

"... changes everything?" Does that mean the former non-atheists are now atheists?  :)

I wonder if she double checked her math!   ::)

assimillation.  the elite.  all of which are american dreams

You know what sugar daddy said to his busty mistress: "Oh, my - DAT BLACK HOLE!"

Yes, but, it is usually the atheist entropists that are more entro-pissed off.   ;D

I think you misunderstand the way Hawking talks about god. He usually doesn't use the word 'god' literally. He's doesn't believe in one, only the laws of physics which is his 'god'. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven

We all hide some of the things we believe from ourselves. This is so that we can, hopefully, get to the place where we want to go. Hawking doesn't have full and complete knowledge of everything. The best he can do is to hope that his beliefs are correct. If they aren't... well, everyone is facing reality no matter his/her beliefs.

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I am not sure about Black holes but big bang theory is wrong.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but chances are she doesn't know what she is talking about. :P

http://www.iflscience.com/physics/physicist-claims-have-proven-mathematically-black-holes-do-not-exist

I love that, even the Daily Mail commenters think this is a load of bullshit LOL :D You do realise that they spotted black holes with fucking telescopes and probes right? They didn't even need to do mathematics to prove they exist, I love religious people like BaDecker, the more science proves them wrong the more desperate they get.

See? That's the trouble with you kids. They spotted something with telescopes, and decided they were going to call them black holes. The fact is, they don't really know what they spotted. It's all semantics. Call it this, call it that. Until they go out there and see for a fact what it is, nobody knows. It's all guesswork.

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I Hate the Tv Series The Big Bang Theory ,So Shameful

ROFL. You really dont have a clue, do you? Here is what really happened: einsteins equations of special relativity predicted there would be black holes, even though that seemed insane at the time. It took years to figure that out and understand and decades more to actually find evidence that proved their existence. Thats how science works: you formulate a theory, then figure out ways to prove or disprove the theory. If you can not prove or disprove it, its not science. BTW by now the evidence is overwhelming, from lensing effects to the gravitational pull they exert on nearby stars and entire galaxies. No one sane doubt they exist.

BTW bis, you cant see a black hole with a telescope. Duh.

Just theory either way. Even if big bang is true, it has 0 effect on we conduct our life.

Hawkings never flip flopped on whether or not black holes exist. He made a bet back in the 70s against his own belief and his own theory, but that was in his words "an insurance policy". If it turned out black holes did indeed exist, he would pay some other scientist a yearly subscription to Penthouse magazine. And he did. If he was wrong about his theory, at least he would have received a penthouse subscription as consolation for years of wasted work. If anything, it was a joke.  He never changed his mind on whether or not black holes exist, he did change his mind (and conceded another bet) about whether or not black holes destroy information. While he conceded that bet, its far from certain he was actually incorrect on that one.

the ccc theory is best one, and also it make sense

I actually agree. WHile the math is way over my head, something about it just feels right. Hope evidence for it is found.

Einstein did his work with simple adding machinges and paper calc. He NEVER would have been able to figure out how to use a computer; barely could tie his shoes, if he happened to get them on the correct feet.

Einstein was an antagonist of quantum mechanics in many ways. He was good at what he did. We are moving onward and upward.

:)

stopped reading there... there is almost zero credibility in this "math"

After all, even Madam Curie was poisoned to death by the radiation she worked with.  :)

Cant wait for a peer review on this...

i think i should improve my math

so one day i can prove Sun is not hot   ::)

So when a star dies, it doesnt end up being a black hole?

That serious scientists don't publish their research in the Daily Mail.

Aww, you science types are such a buzz-kill. With you logic and double blind studies. Your ruining the magic.  :D

ON the contrary, it fuels the real magic. For those who want a nice initiation on what the paper is really about (ie, the black hole paradoxes), this is a good lecture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8bhtEgB8Mo&list=UUYeF244yNGuFefuFKqxIAXw

Particularly the second part with sean carrol.

The best part is the uneducated lay people arguing about topics they are most ignorant about. Do they not see a problem with this?

Here's a hint. Math is a model, an approximation to reality. Take a simple example, the inverse square law, 1/r^2. Works perfectly well for orbits, but set r to zero...

OH NOES!!! REALITY IS BROKEN!! The earth just lost all mass because I put a zero in the wrong spot!!

Enter a new model, dirac delta, reality works again...no jesus required.

whatever.


What will it changes my everyday life?

Or my life in any sense?

Stupid science and fundamental research. "What good is quantum mechanics?" said idiot to Schroedinger.

Enjoying your transistors?

IMO Black holes do exist, they are the seeds for next big bang... and when people find out what the world is really about, what's the big question to answer, then the black holes will unite, the hole world will be whole, and next big bang to happen.

Nice stealth bump Arien, this topic is old.

I never believed in black holes.

But Big Bang theory is partly correct.

And yeah Aliens are hoax.

Black holes, white holes, wormholes, relativity, dark matter, big bang theory, string theory......       Unproven bullshit theories, made by schizophrenic minds.

Better explain that to all the satellites that compensate for frame dragging.

wait what no black holes? what?

Well, I would like to see proofs not some theories, Tho.
Till now, People can't confirm what really happened because nobody was actually there to witness what happened.

i would suggest you not to believe on false claims unless it is published from authentic source 

I'm gonna say that her paper, or whatever she has written is flawed (without even taking a look at it).
One does not simply claim that he or she is smarter than Hawking.

In other news

'Dumb blonde': Lily Allen debuts new hair colour on Instagram as she purges the pink and lightens her locks

Has been proved the existence of the four-dimensional spacetime?
Has been proved that the time is a dimension?
Of course not. Einstein was an idiot.

but mainly a plagiarist.

Have you ever used GPS, or depended on something that uses it?

I'll prove that time is a dimension. Meet me at the 1st avenue Walmart at 1:00pm GMT Friday November 12th, 2014. PROVEN.

If I didn't give you the time you couldn't locate me.

Unless you are Stephen Hawkings no one will give a damn about what you think.

LOl.. is that the same Lily Allen who sang "F you, F you very very much?"

Yes, but...

What dimension would it be if you didn't give me the time, and I met you at the right time, by accident?

:)

You would have happened to be in the same place with him on that dimension then

The very same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHC05_9b0gw

You're right. I wasn't really interested in which dimension that might be, anyway.

:)

Some info about Einstein (google search)

"...The visit of the University but yielded some fruit. At that time taught there, good luck Einstein, scientists of the stature of a Weber, Wolfer, Hürdwig, Pernet and the great mathematician Hermann Minkowski (who worked on the theory of four-dimensional space and should be regarded as the real author of the special theory of relativity). And there he met his wife, Mileva Maric....."

"...Albert Einstein
– was he a thief, a liar and a plagiarist?

ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as 'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.

THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On the contrary—he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled media made him a 'hero.' ....."

".... Many people have recognized the impossibility of such a feat, including Einstein himself, and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of the blue, because indeed that is the only logical explanation of how an admittedly inept moron could have written such documents at the age of 26 without any real education. THE TRUTH IS: HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS. ...."

"..... This theory has been validated by modern experiments and is the basis for modern physics. But these two premises are far from being originally Einstein's. FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS A CONSTANT AND WAS INDEPENDENT OF THE MOTION OF ITS SOURCE WAS NOT EINSTEIN'S AT ALL, BUT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SCOTTISH SCIENTIST JAMES MAXWELL in 1878....."

".... Furthermore, the mathematical relationship of mass and energy was a simple deduction from the already well-known equations of Scottish physicist James Maxwell. Scientists long understood that the mathematical relationship expressed by the equation E=mc2 was the logical result of Maxwell's work, they just did not believe it.

THUS, THE EXPERIMENTS OF THOMSON, KAUFMANN, AND FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HASENÖRHL, CONFIRMED MAXWELL'S WORK. IT IS LUDICROUS TO BELIEVE THAT EINSTEIN DEVELOPED THIS POSTULATE , particularly in light of the fact that Einstein did not have the laboratory necessary to conduct the appropriate experiments. ..."

".... Anyone who has studied much Physics will tell you that Special Relativity was mostly created by Poincare and Lorentz. The seminal 1905 paper by the plagiarist Einstein had no references! His 1915 paper on General Relativity, was submitted for publication two weeks after Hilbert's deduction of the equations, and it is Hilbert's Lagrangian technique that is used today to derive the field equations, not the idiotic heuristics of Einstein. Even E = mc2 was derived in the mid 1800s (well before Einstein ever stole anything).

Nikola Tesla regarded Relativity as the greatest historical aberration of scientific thought. Relativity is no more than a philosophical standpoint, a virus to infect a "New Age". From the standpoint of the electrical engineer Einstein’s Relativity is "Bravo-Sierra"! However, it has sunk its roots into the basic consideration of Inductance and Capacitance. L and C represent co-efficients of aetheric processes, and as such represent the aether, not Relativity. Albert Einstein stands in the way of Michael Faraday, and Pharisees are now Physicists (— Eric Dollard)....."

Hello

i see in some sites about Black Holes , Einstein Gravity and some other things is Wronf + Proof !

it was in this site : www.hadiniroomand-theory.com !

what you think ?!

I'm not sure how you can say black holes don't exist when you can see them in space haha. Einstein believes that black holes end in worm holes which could send you back into the past!


On the 11 strings it's believed time would be string 0. I think you're trolling  ;)

"...Albert Einstein: Plagiarist and Fraud

Albert Einstein is today revered as “the Father of Modern Science”. His wrinkled face and wild hair has become a symbol for scientific genius and “his” famous E = mc^2 equation is repeatedly used as the symbol for something scientific and intellectual. And yet there has for years been mounting evidence that this “Father of Modern Science” was nothing but a con man, lying about his ideas and achievements, and stealing the work and the research of others.

The most glaring evidence against Einstein concerns “his” most famous equation. One website notes “The equation E=mc^2, which has been forever linked to Einstein & his Theory of Relativity was not originally published by Einstein. According to Umberto Bartocci, a professor at the University of Perugia and a historian of mathematics, this famous equation was first published by Olinto De Pretto …two years prior to Einstein’s publishing of the equation. In 1903 De Pretto published his equation in the scientific magazine Atte and in 1904 it was republished by the Royal Science Institute of Veneto. Einstein’s research was not published until 1905… Einstein was well versed in Italian and even lived in Northern Italy for a brief time.”

It is unheard of to pass over the original inventor of an equation and to give credit to someone, who claims to have derived it AFTER the equation and its derivation have been published. The equation “E=mc^2″ should be called the “De Pretto Equation” not the “Einstein Equation.”...."

"...The truth eventually wins out and Einstein will someday be best known as a great fraud instead of a great physicist..."

Source: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=13400

RELATIVITY ASYLUM    http://www.youstupidrelativist.com/sitebuilder/images/Asylum6-578x467.jpg

"...I have no idea how this guy got here!
He mumbled something about trying to
escape into another universe through a
wormhole. Apparently, he got sucked
through our Holy Sewer and ended up
circling with the shit in Zeus's's toilet...."

http://www.youstupidrelativist.com/03GR/03BlackHole/02HoleInto.html

No one can really black holes exist.................

Some very interesting ideas here about Einstein.. very interesting.

Me too. That's why I believe the Bible.

:)

LOL !

See? It's what I've been saying all along. Black holes are a political idea rather than a scientific one.

Your "Towers" could come down in a volley of bullets once they get there.

:)

Then, again, that's political rhetoric.  :)

You realize, don't you, that what they spotted with telescopes could be named anything that they wanted to name them? It's the math that backs up what they are, provided there isn't some other math that contradicts the BH math. Now, where might that other math be? Let me see...

:)

Except that, with the politics of the universities what it is, they often have to publish in the Daily Mail just to get published.

:)

Actually, it is magic of the strongest kind they are using. It is called the occult - secret. Nobody else can figure it out without going into strict training in their magic arts. And it wouldn't be so bad if their arts were only math, but when they involve finance and politics at the same time, they really get some secret magic going.

:)

We're waiting for an actual first-hand check-out. How long will it be before you get back?   ;D

Oh look! Here's somebody else that believes stars are alive.   :D

she has the "maths" to prove it?
LOL


Black holes indeed exist. We might not fully understand them, or even misunderstand them, but they are there.

And the science in this thread is hilarious!

As people look to science, and as they deny God and His Word more and more, there will come a time when God won't stand for it anymore. Just like He has done in the past, He will destroy the unbelievers and their culture. So, it just might affect you.

:)

As I said, you can call anything what you want, even start a bunch of new languages, like modern science is doing.

Mainstream science started to redefine truth a long time ago:

“The charge of circular reasoning in stratigraphy [the study of layers in the ground] can be handled in several ways. [1] It can be ignored, as not the proper concern of the public. [2] It can be denied, by calling down the Law of Evolution. [3] It can be admitted, as a common practice … [4] or it can be avoided, by pragmatic reasoning.”                                           

O’Rourke, J. E., “Pragmatism versus Materialism in Stratigraphy,” American Journal of Science, vol. 276 (January 1976)

Let me guess she's athiest lol