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Title: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: FandangledGizmo on September 28, 2014, 11:28:48 PM
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9450.0

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I fully believe you and came to conclusion you did.   I read the snack machine post after posting by earlier comment.


I can't find the thread at the moment, but this post was made by me YEARS ago and was just deleted on September 14th 2014.  

Deleted from this convo I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.0

What gives? Why delete it now?


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: tilray on September 28, 2014, 11:36:34 PM
Go here and find it - https://bitcointa.lk/


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: BittBurger on September 29, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
Go here and find it - https://bitcointa.lk/

What is that site?  How do you have so many posts and users?   The "General" forum topic list doesn't match this one, so it doesn't look like you're cloning this forum.  Right?

-B-


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: R2D221 on September 29, 2014, 12:35:57 AM
Bitcointa.lk was cloning this forum, but due to technical issues, it stopped some months ago. It's not a reliable source right now.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: bg002h on September 29, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
I recall that thread. It's archived on http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: leannemckim46 on September 29, 2014, 02:05:14 AM
I recall that thread. It's archived on http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org.

Thanks for the link.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: currencydebt on September 29, 2014, 02:37:02 AM
Deleting an old post to hide the fact a current leader in the crypto space had a conversation with the great Satoshi way back when makes no sense. What is bitcointalk trying to hide? Why?


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on September 29, 2014, 02:41:15 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: Zanywing on September 29, 2014, 02:54:18 AM
Hmmm, this is interesting.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: itsAj on September 29, 2014, 03:11:49 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

BTCTalk has probably the best staff on the internet. They never censor anything and generally leave everything alone to allow growth. Satoshi is the main creator and helped everyone and everything evolve. There is no reason for them to censor anything from Satoshi. Satoshi has documented in the original Bitcoin whitepaper along with his posts some critical info that needs to be preserved and protected. Thanks to the staff for their time effort and attitude.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: currencydebt on September 29, 2014, 03:40:07 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

BTCTalk has probably the best staff on the internet. They never censor anything and generally leave everything alone to allow growth. Satoshi is the main creator and helped everyone and everything evolve. There is no reason for them to censor anything from Satoshi. Satoshi has documented in the original Bitcoin whitepaper along with his posts some critical info that needs to be preserved and protected. Thanks to the staff for their time effort and attitude.

If it was an accident or the moderator was just trying to be helpful and made a mistake, can it be undone?


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: itsAj on September 29, 2014, 03:49:38 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

BTCTalk has probably the best staff on the internet. They never censor anything and generally leave everything alone to allow growth. Satoshi is the main creator and helped everyone and everything evolve. There is no reason for them to censor anything from Satoshi. Satoshi has documented in the original Bitcoin whitepaper along with his posts some critical info that needs to be preserved and protected. Thanks to the staff for their time effort and attitude.

If it was an accident or the moderator was just trying to be helpful and made a mistake, can it be undone?

I think many people pay homage to Satoshi and look over his posts regularly just to see the creation circumstance and be inspired. There are many tech and Bitcoin enthusiasts have all of Satoshis notations and commentary logged. There is no reason for any of Staff to change or exclude conversations because it has all been logged and censoring the prime creator of the technology will not help anything or anyone. Human error can happen on any level. But everything is documented and the staff would never intentionally do these things. So it's non-issue.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: btckold24 on September 29, 2014, 04:37:09 AM
is there a way to search and see only posts made my satoshi and not just times other people said it.


thx if anyone knows the easiest way to find all his posts


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on September 29, 2014, 04:40:55 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

BTCTalk has probably the best staff on the internet. They never censor anything and generally leave everything alone to allow growth. Satoshi is the main creator and helped everyone and everything evolve. There is no reason for them to censor anything from Satoshi. Satoshi has documented in the original Bitcoin whitepaper along with his posts some critical info that needs to be preserved and protected. Thanks to the staff for their time effort and attitude.

If it was an accident or the moderator was just trying to be helpful and made a mistake, can it be undone?

Yep, anything can be undone. However if something like that was to accidentally happen, a moderator would normally bring it to attention, say, hey I accidentally did this, can someone restore the post? And it would be done with. I still dont know what it was that was removed though.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: a447513372 on September 29, 2014, 05:01:33 AM
Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

BTCTalk has probably the best staff on the internet. They never censor anything and generally leave everything alone to allow growth. Satoshi is the main creator and helped everyone and everything evolve. There is no reason for them to censor anything from Satoshi. Satoshi has documented in the original Bitcoin whitepaper along with his posts some critical info that needs to be preserved and protected. Thanks to the staff for their time effort and attitude.

If it was an accident or the moderator was just trying to be helpful and made a mistake, can it be undone?

Yep, anything can be undone. However if something like that was to accidentally happen, a moderator would normally bring it to attention, say, hey I accidentally did this, can someone restore the post? And it would be done with. I still dont know what it was that was removed though.
He says it was from this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.0) thread. He pointed to a topic on bitsharestalk (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9450.0) that was posted by username "bytemaster" on that forum. There is a user with a "u" # of 611 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=611) on bitcointalk with the same username which was created on July 27,2014. There was a post by satoshi that quoted the same username on July 29, 2010. The post quoted in the OP was likely a response to satoshi (IMO).

If you are able to search by deleted posts by usernames I would suggest searching deleted posts of bytemaster


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: sifter on September 29, 2014, 05:04:12 AM
I recall that thread. It's archived on http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org.

Thanks, that was really helpful.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: bitsalame on September 29, 2014, 06:11:06 AM
Is there any explanation?


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: eid on September 29, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9450.0


Reading the above thread, I couldn't help feeling I'd somehow found my way to the David Icke forums. I especially liked this post:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9450.msg122771#msg122771

Comedy gold....




I'm sure this deletion was a mistake by a mod cleaning up 2014 posts in the same thread and shall soon be rectified. Let's wait and see.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: Mr Tea on September 29, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
They aren't censoring or deleting satoshi's old threads or posts but deleting pointless necrobumps which is against the forum rules.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: newflesh on September 29, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
Doubt it's anything nefarious though it might be a good idea to lock some of the important satoshi threads to prevent trolling from btc fudders. Seems to be an influx of them nowadays :(


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: ACAB on September 29, 2014, 10:57:46 AM
No they are not. Why would they do that anyway?


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: chryspano on September 29, 2014, 11:02:51 AM
They aren't censoring or deleting satoshi's old threads or posts but deleting pointless necrobumps which is against the forum rules.

They deleted a post from 2010 that wasn't pointless necrobump or against the forum rules.

Who the fuck thinks that has the right to delete posts addressing to satoshi and WHY? What will be the next step? to delete posts from satoshi himself? They could simply delete any 2014 pointless/unrelated post and lock those threads.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: yayayo on September 29, 2014, 11:28:23 AM
I don't understand the reason why anyone even bothers deleting posts from threads that old. :-\

It's ok to moderate the forums and delete annoying stuff, but this is clearly too much. It distorts history. If something has to be removed it should be immediate (within days), all stuff that isn't deleted within a short timespan should be considered proven to be unnecessary to delete.

ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: Kluge on September 29, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
Lol. 60% sure this was BadBear's work.

I'm guessing he's written a script which goes through the entire forum to find low value posts like "^This" and "I agree 100%," which in the current time, would be sig-spam without a doubt.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: AleCrypt0 on September 29, 2014, 12:07:32 PM
I hope that a Mod/Admin could explain the situation as soon as possible. Also to avoid any mistake-created fud.

Please mods, come out and tell us what happened so that everyone could have a clear vision of the fact.

Thanks.



Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: bitllionaire on September 29, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
if you look at his profile,it still has many posts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3
it is strange


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: BadBear on September 29, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Someone bumped the thread with a quote and reply to byteshares about bitshares (which is off topic, alt currencies). Easy to assume byteshares post was a part of that if the dates weren't checked. I restored that post. None of Satoshi's posts were deleted.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: FandangledGizmo on September 29, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
Someone bumped the thread with a quote and reply to byteshares about bitshares (which is off topic, alt currencies). Easy to assume byteshares post was a part of that if the dates weren't checked. I restored that post. None of Satoshi's posts were deleted.

Great  :)    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.0

However, there is no one named 'byteshares' the poster is 'Bytemaster'? It sounds like in the response above you are justifying deleting it because 'byteshares' sounds like 'Bitshares' but the poster is Bytemaster and the words Bytemaster and BitShares are not as easily confused, but thanks I'm glad it's been restored.

Edit: Although I see Bytemaster does have BitShares in his title thing (Bytemaster is the main founder of BitShares) , so maybe that caused the confusion.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: BadBear on September 29, 2014, 01:14:08 PM
Yes I meant Bytemaster. And no his name being similar isn't the reason for my defending the actions, the fact he is behind bitshares and all the subsequent replies were about bitshares is. I had to read some about bitshares (I had no clue what it was) to find this out, and that's why I said byteshares.


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: Testing123 on September 29, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Go here and find it - https://bitcointa.lk/

What is that site?  How do you have so many posts and users?   The "General" forum topic list doesn't match this one, so it doesn't look like you're cloning this forum.  Right?

-B-

Bitcointa.lk was cloning this forum, but due to technical issues, it stopped some months ago. It's not a reliable source right now.

The bitcointa.lk site is created to clone bitcointalk by cedivad, and he noticed the problem already but didn't have time to deal with it yet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515932.msg8846642#msg8846642


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: okae on October 01, 2014, 03:05:57 PM
i think i have something to do in next hour, ty for those links im reading it right now ;)


Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org censoring satoshi's old conversations?
Post by: bg002h on October 05, 2014, 01:40:13 AM
Here's the archive of satoshi's post in that thread: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/287/

Link on bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306