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Has to be manipulation, whoever has 30k to sell knows that the number of people with that much fiat on Bitstamp is probably zero.

If they really wanted to sell they would do it out of an exchange. Unless they are an unconnected foolish 2011 HODLer.

There are too many people with tens of thousands of coins, too much ability to manipulate this market, and not enough day to day volume.....

Exchange operator or insider.

Noone trusts anyone with 30k coins in this environment.

some BTC rich russian?

I guess i didn't think that the ask is completely fake... interesting

Do we have another Gox problem with Stamp...... desperate attempt to buy cheap coins?

I voted  for :



I think some early adopters woke up and now try "to manipulate" the price.

It's probably loads of bitcoin holders all shitting themselves about the crash, and trying to sell as fast as possible for whatever they can get.

Yes, they all mentally align in a perfectly orchestrated 30k btc wall. Smoke crack much?

It is someone very close to the exchange owners, that is for sure; noone gives unknowns in slovenia 10mil without being able to hold their balls gently. Motive is also pretty obvious - make a very large investment into BTC. What I am surprised most about is - who the hell is actually selling at $280? :) It is possible that these are imaginary bitcoins you are buying there; withdraw all you can, that should scare the crap out of the manipulator.

If I was not mistaken I saw that the people who run stamp are Ripple supporters, so them manipulating t0 cause a crash in BTC I would not put out of question.

A panicked whale that knows less than us  ;)

There's not much point manipulating one exchange if you can't simultaneously manipulate all the other big exchanges. People would just buy cheap off your one manipulated exchange and dump at high prices on the other exchanges.

this.  we should audit Stamp.

and this says it all.  thx inca!:

https://i.imgur.com/xXdKFiU.png

Nejc Kodric, if you're listening, your rep is on the line.

shouldn't be holding anyway and be using it as it's intended. a currency.
or is it hodling as the 13 yr old say?

real currencies over the ages have a right to be hodl'd.  it's part of the bargain; don't punish savers.

interesting. Is there a graphic with the percentage of all bitcoins owned by top100/500?

WTF this is counter intuitive to me completely. I would think that the number of addresses that holds a large percentage of Bitcoin would go down not up over time as old holders bail out into fiat......

This can't be good can it?

I tried to figure out what happened, and here is my short conspiracy theory:
Nemesis dumped some 5k BTC, hoping to trigger a death spiral, he said he wants to kill the hardware (ASIC?) vendors.
The market was already in an oversold condition, so it didn't drop much further. But another (large?) whale panicked
and flashed that 30k BTC wall. Anyway, Nemesis said he'll be back with more ammo.

Maybe this is the "genius" :

https://blockchain.info/address/159SCycgn8weAy2XGUEhD6V1RTFni7E3iq?filter=1

lol

An evil manipulator trying to get cheap coins
if that is true why did he pulled back order ?

Because it did its job which got people to drive the price down lower and keep it low. You do that and let the people panic, get orders to start filling under it,and then that buys you time to set up whatever you need ( like the bot ) and once everything is set, you pull back your wall without much risk.

fallling is the source

Dont worry, they will pay you back in ripple.

What happened to this wall?

It got pulled like 30-45 minutes after it went up.

No it isn't. In 2011 the top 100 had 2Mio. Bitcoins. 40% of all. Today they have 2.5Mio., so 18%. And big addresses are often cold storage of big exchanges. The coins could be owned by a lot of people. On the other hand: If I had 1Mio. eggs I would not store them in one basket.

Eyeballing the chart looks like about

2.6m - Top 100
4.4m - Top 500

~13.5m Total mined => Just over 50%

26k sell wall on stamp just now reappeared, at $320

No you don't add those up, Top 500 includes Top 100 :) And I suppose he is interested in a graph of how that percentage has progressed in time, relative to increasing supply.

whoops :)

I have to say that if this is real, it really shows a lot of confidence in BitStamp. They must be doing something right over there for one person to trust them with ten million dollars worth of coins.

You don't  believe Nemezis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg9092301#msg9092301)?

evil manipulator? someone is giving you bitcoins about 200 USD below fair value and you call him evil?
this is an act of charity, once the charity is done, the price will shoot right back up to 500.

Another wall of 28k bitcoin at $ 320  ::) .....

im pretty sure its the same wall :)

It is the same wall... Point is these walls are a mirage! Once you guys start getting near that 320 wall it will move!!!

i'd bet so.

its gone. but will people fall for it again?

fool me once shame on ...

Will be back in full effect tomorrow....... Look out below guys!

If I had 9 million on Stamp I would so love to buy that dumb asses order before he could even have a chance to refresh his screen. Would be soooooo funny.

Is it possible any of those orders could just be fake?  Serious question...

no one knows, all are just wild guessing and speculations

Maybe it's Satoshi giving us all an equal chance to buy cheap coins.

Does anyone know who this is? Also I vote that its a whale who knows more than us.

now the sell wall is 15k BTC on bitstamp :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80376827/Screenshot%202014-10-06%2006.59.10.png

i'd like to believe the continued increased in number of exchanges wallets going into top 500 (as the number of exchanges increases) for the increase in the graph
also exchanges splitting their funds across multiple wallets

I followed 38,094 btc upstream, which were moved yesterday evening


Might be, or might not be related ...:

38,094 btc https://blockchain.info/de/address/1JX5hS3HyVT3VwnEgvoPLVu6ujPFH7BvrY
<-- 40,304 btc https://blockchain.info/de/address/159SCycgn8weAy2XGUEhD6V1RTFni7E3iq
<-- -- 35,327 btc https://blockchain.info/de/address/19Gt9VKmmyMpMHEv6dkf8ddwmwddoSoJ8w

And that last address 19Gt9VKmmyMpMHEv6dkf8ddwmwddoSoJ8w has been accumulating 900-2000 btc portions between August and October 2012.

Anyone can interprete those quite regular, and similiarly sized transactions (https://blockchain.info/de/address/19Gt9VKmmyMpMHEv6dkf8ddwmwddoSoJ8w) (from always 4-6 source addresses) ?

BTW, back then, the price was ~25 times lower than his 300$
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg2zig2-hourzczsg2012-08-21zeg2012-10-07ztgOzm1g10zm2g25

Well I did tell you it would be in full effect didn't I ?!

Wall down.......

off we go....

Might be old school bitcoiner decided to leave the game and cash out their wealth to enjoy the sun.

and a big whale had eaten another big big big whale, as always..

i think bitcoin is free to go, now

Did the whale remove the wall with coins still unsold, or were they all sold?

Two and a half hours ago I think there were like 12.5 k left to sell. All 12.5 k were sold in those two and a half hours?

[Edit]

I just looked at a chart and there is a massive 12.5 k candle about two hours ago! So another whale brought them off the whale selling?

no - lots of buy orders in a very quick time period - there were some large 2000 coin trades , but also a lot of 0.1 - 10 sizes

Re the poll we need a NONE OF THE ABOVE option.

Wouldn't be surprised if whale bought his own coins (or most of them) in attempt to spark a buying frenzy.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/JimboToronto/bigwhale.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/JimboToronto/media/bigwhale.jpg.html)

I don't know .. but this is  ( 100%) an early adopter ;) ....

Guess we are up to 325 usd. Are these price swings because of this big whale?

I really don't know what to believe. I think it could be some big mining company cutting their losses and selling the coins now, when the upswing from the breakdown to the $270s occurred, effectively letting everyone running into their asks.

Um no actually he removed the order... It will come back again when China time hits  :'(

Greedy not evil manipulator.

Nice try. Look at the charts. He got swallowed.

Has anyone considered the possibility that someone just bought their own coins on Stamp? I mean, yeah you'd have to spend quite some amount of fees, but the effect on the market could be in a way to achieve something bigger.

So he/she deliberately devalues his own coin to buy in cheaper?

The  30k btc wall was deleted , so nobody know  what is the answer at your question ;).

NOPE! The 30k wall was eaten in full. The whale was slain at $300.

See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uX_bB_4VJk

Right - I was responding to the one above me, pointing out the logic fail in that scenario. ;-)

Oh amazing , so all the wall of 30k was sold ? I think no .However thanks for the video.

That video was awesome to watch. +1 for the sound track too.

Apparently I fell asleep about 20 minutes before it got lovely. Figures  ;D

It starts a little slow, but the finale is amazing: http://youtu.be/-uX_bB_4VJk?t=4m

https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/519120987334651905

@barrysilbert: Surprised how few are connecting the recent selling pressure to the Oct 15 tax extension deadline. Taxes due from '09-'13 mining/usage/sales

Interesting. So this is only US-wise in that case? I don't know if this really is a factor. But it could be, of course. It wouldn't apply to the Chinese mining farms, liquidating their profits, though! I wonder if we ever see a definitive answer to these questions!

I think a lot of bitcoiners are tax dodgers

Right because if Mr or Ms Whale whipped up a nice thread on here to explain their motivation, that wouldn't cause a backlash of hatemongering on this forum.  ;D

That was awesome! Nice music too.

Someone dumps $7mil in BTC @ $300 & the dumb money comes running into the market thinking they know better! LOL!!!  :D

It is a Bill Gates, learning of Bitcoin.

or may be paypal dumping BTC price so that they can buy more at lower price

Was thinking along that line as well. Volume low for ages, and then a huge sell wall gets eaten up so quickly? But it stop right after eating through it?
Might be a "cheap" attempt to get people to start a rally.
Sure would quite a lot in fees, unless it were people from Bitstamp themselves. But may have been considered worth the risk anyway to trigger a rally.

The whole thing was orchestrated by the people that have been acquiring throughout the sell off, and is intended to spark off the next run up. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812616.msg9103504#msg9103504)

Nonsense. Coins bought in 2012 being sold at market to create a run up? It's not like he bought his own coins.

Intended to spark the next crash straight through $300!!

I just hope the run up happens quickly, before the first half of 2015.
Otherwise, a lot of people will become disillusioned with bitcoins.

Yeah stupid bitcoin don't make me rich in a year what a fallacy! Grow, bitcoin, grow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iABfXNY60QY

Why can't bitcoin just go to 1 trillion dollars already. Gosh

you're sure about that?

Because all you fools are willing to let your coins go for much cheaper! & the powers at hand that have even more bitcoin than you are already making profit even cashing out at 300/coin... Don't even get me started on miners now too!!!

And VC's just funded blockchain.info with 30 million dollars today. Hardly the actions of a dying industry.

I am still of the opinion that this is a fantastic bit of price and sentiment manipulation before the next bubble. This time it will be global.

minus russia

Just remember VC's are investing in the business, not in bitcoin... Im sure once it gets to the price they like then they'll all hop on board! What that price is, nobody knows  ???

I guess it is manipulation to get cheap coins, but no one knows if he succeeded

The manipulator put 22K sell wall at 300.00 and 200+ buy wall at 299.99, hope to scare the speculators to panic sell into his 299.99 buy wall. But he also has a risk: That sell wall might be eaten faster than the buy wall, then he will lose coins. So he must actively watch the development on both sides and eat the sell wall quickly using his other accounts, so that total number of his coins won't decrease

Baby whales get eaten by other killer whales.

Big whale get eaten only when they are dead and lie on the bottom of the ocean.