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Title: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: knight22 on October 09, 2014, 01:17:36 AM
I can't believe the senators applauded him at the end.  :o

http://s27.postimg.org/jvou3ugsj/zandreas.png (http://hocca.wmod.llnwd.net/a4502/e2/20141008161400_9692_990.wmv)


Standing Committee - Banking, Trade and Commerce

http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenCommitteeBusiness/Notice.aspx?parl=41&ses=2&comm_id=3&Language=E&meeting_id=15505


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: knight22 on October 09, 2014, 01:45:35 AM
Here's the Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: gogxmagog on October 09, 2014, 02:43:03 AM
beautiful. very very nice.

the applause is really something, they dont do that for everybody and it shows that the senators were really, truly impressed. I'm not surprised, the man presents himself impeccably.

I have high hopes for Canada to be a leader with cryptocurrencies, even if we are maybe a tad slow to the party. The only problem is, our senators do not have that much power. the prime minister can veto anything they put forward. plus they are all appointed, not voted in, so they will naturally be in line with the prime minister's agenda, what ever that might be. There has been a lot of corruption come to light in our house recently and there is talk of reform to how it operates. developing.

its a good start though. good on you andreas!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: itsAj on October 09, 2014, 03:06:46 AM
He represented the community very well I'm very proud of him and Canada for acknowledging the need for crypto.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Connor936 on October 09, 2014, 03:24:55 AM
When he makes a good point (or points) it does not matter who his audience is (as long as they are smart enough to understand what he is saying) they will agree with him.

I have seen the video and believe that he did a very good job of delivery of his message.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: seriouscoin on October 09, 2014, 03:26:35 AM
His message is clear enough:

DO NOT REGULATE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, QUI?


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: mskryxz on October 09, 2014, 03:41:34 AM
It's a must watch!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: mercistheman on October 09, 2014, 04:36:38 AM
That was a game changer... imo Canada will reap the early rewards of development and opportunity.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: MichaelBliss on October 09, 2014, 05:18:05 AM
This looks really promising. Andreas got to present his case as completely as anyone could have hoped.   The Senators don't "get it" (yet) but it's really a different landscape now than it was 3 years ago when I first got into Bitcoin, that's for sure! 


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: cbeast on October 09, 2014, 05:22:24 AM
A five year regulatory review window should be just about right. That will give time for Bitcoin developers in Canada to self-regulate and build tools that are useful. It's good to see that America's Hat is still a Thinking Cap.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 09, 2014, 05:25:03 AM
Here's the Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

Thanks for sharing. He is such a great spokesman for Bitcoin. I love listening to him present Bitcoin concepts. Every answer rolls effortlessly off his tongue like he was breastfed Bitcoin as a child. What a difference a couple of years can be. I remember when everyone was overjoyed at having Bruce Wagner as the key spokesman for Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: TrailingComet on October 09, 2014, 07:13:26 AM
Andreas is simply awesome. The single most articulate and persuasive spokesperson that the crypto community has right now. Good on the canadian senate for giving him a forum.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on October 09, 2014, 08:41:50 AM
Here's the Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

Thanks just watching now, great job Andreas.  That was one hell of an introduction from the chair really surprised how well the senate understand the sentiment of the industry :)


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Kprawn on October 09, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
Why is Canada always in the forefront of logic thinking in that part of the world.

I see so much FU regulations being implemented right across the USA and then Canada makes the right choice {In my view} when it comes to them regulating something.

Please distribute the drugs being used in Canada, to the rest of the people living in the USA.  ;D *joke

Andreas is a GREAT speaker, and absolutely the correct person to speak on our {Bitcoin community} behalf, sometimes a little extreme, but that just shows his passion for what he is doing.

Job well done, now send him to NY  :(


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: spazzdla on October 09, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
Yes Antonopouls!!

Many +1's for talking to the senate of my country.

Now all we need to do is get the criminal Harper out of power.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: xDan on October 09, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/0Hyp3Fd.png

our hero andreas


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: windpath on October 09, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
I watched this live yesterday, and watched the recording again just now.

Andreas is by far the most knowledgeable, articulate, and understandable speaker for Bitcoin I've ever seen.



Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: colinistheman on October 09, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
I just watched this entire 2 hour video.

It is truly great.

You must watch this if you haven't.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: CoinFan10076 on October 09, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
Thanks for sharing this, going to set aside time to watch in full.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: RockHound on October 09, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
Cheers for the up - Great video and job by Andreas


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: PolarPoint on October 09, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Andreas hit a home run at the sensate! He gave a true and technical review of the bitcoin environment and I think the senate is impressed.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: minimalB on October 09, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
Andreas for president!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: keithers on October 09, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
Here's the Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

Thank you for this link, I was actually interested in what he said after reading about it in a few news articles...


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: evok3d on October 09, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
Since the day i watched his first video in which he cried as he spoke about bitcoins i have a great respect for this man. He has really brought the real features and possibilities of bitcoin to the main stage for those that have a hard time seeing the bigger picture!

Thank you for all your support!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: seriouscoin on October 09, 2014, 05:54:55 PM
I find it amusing that his speech/talk has more positive effect for the community than everything Bitcoin Foundation (remember them? lol) has ever done.



Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: jonald_fyookball on October 09, 2014, 06:18:56 PM
Outstanding job by A.A ..one of his best, but also hats off to the Canadian politicians.  They seem very cool, open minded and receptive to Bitcoin!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: duke1839 on October 09, 2014, 06:29:02 PM
I just watched it.  Andreas Antonopoulos was brilliant as usual.  I especially liked his answer to the GHash.io question.  I like that he didn't do what many other Bitcoiners do which is to imply that one pool could bring down the entire network.  He calmly explained that it was more of a perception problem than an actual technical problem. 


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Voice of Reason on October 09, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
Perfect delivery. I can't think of a more appropriate, effective spokesperson. The only criticism I've heard of him was that he gets too much attention. Thank goodness, we could do much worse for a public figure.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: franky1 on October 09, 2014, 07:31:31 PM
andreas definitely done a great job. if anyone could do any better, i havnt seem them.

andreas has always been top of my list of public speakers that truly understands all the facets and functions of bitcoin.

im glad canada respected and applauded him too,


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: bbit on October 09, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
andreas definitely done a great job. if anyone could do any better, i havnt seem them.

andreas has always been top of my list of public speakers that truly understands all the facets and functions of bitcoin.

im glad canada respected and applauded him too,

Couldn't agree more. He did a great job!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: URSAY on October 09, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
SO MANY QUOTABLES.

Killed it.  Always on point.

Thank you Andreas.   8)



Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 09, 2014, 08:13:17 PM
Great job.  :)


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: indiemax on October 09, 2014, 08:30:47 PM
Does he get paid for being so awesome?

If not he should be ;D


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: glub0x on October 09, 2014, 08:57:12 PM
The mass has been said :)
Very good

English auto-google subtitles for "bitcoin"
"Pat Qwiin"
"bed"
"in but"
"bit corny"
"the Queen"
"but Klein"
...

ANNND sometimes
"bitcoins"


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: btcbug on October 09, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
What a spokesperson! That was FUCKING FANTASTIC! Every word he speaks is perfectly selected and precisely placed.


Does he get paid for being so awesome?

If not he should be ;D


My suggestion to pay him for his work is to pre-order a signed copy of his new book!

https://www.bitcoinbook.info/ (https://www.bitcoinbook.info/) you can pay with BTC here

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042 (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042)


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: windpath on October 10, 2014, 01:04:40 AM
What a spokesperson! That was FUCKING FANTASTIC! Every word he speaks is perfectly selected and precisely placed.


My suggestion to pay him for his work is to pre-order a signed copy of his new book!

https://www.bitcoinbook.info/ (https://www.bitcoinbook.info/) you can pay with BTC here

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042 (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042)

Good suggestion!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: keithers on October 10, 2014, 01:15:29 AM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.

Canada seems way more open to the possibilities of Bitcoin, than Lawsky and his cronies...


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: btcbug on October 10, 2014, 02:13:48 AM
What a spokesperson! That was FUCKING FANTASTIC! Every word he speaks is perfectly selected and precisely placed.


My suggestion to pay him for his work is to pre-order a signed copy of his new book!

https://www.bitcoinbook.info/ (https://www.bitcoinbook.info/) you can pay with BTC here

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042 (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042)

Good suggestion!

Thanks, I can't wait to read it!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: spooderman on October 10, 2014, 05:46:15 AM
What an excellent human being A A is.

Really, such intelligence, patience and application. Rare and valuable to our species.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Kprawn on October 10, 2014, 06:03:35 AM
It has to be the first time I see him sit down, whilst he talked about Bitcoin... My guess is they Super glued his shoes to the floor.  ;D

What I did like was the following:

1. He admitted that the bitcoin technology was still in a development phase, and it's not the final product, and might possibly not be for years, because it evolves with change.
2. He highlighted that the security problems are not with the bitcoin protocol, but with the companies interfacing with it. {Exchanges / Wallet providers etc}
3. He was honest with the pro's and the con's of using bitcoin, but he still encouraged the senate to focus on the pro's rather than the few con's.
4. He explained technical concepts in a way, that non-technical people could understand.
5. He gave practical examples to show what "good" regulations will do for Canada and where New York failed.
6. He did not use his ussual "extremist" approach, which in my view, is the only negative side, when you speak to more "moderate" public or the government.

So he was basically spot on, with what his objective was, and it worked.

What I enjoyed the most, was the humble and cool way, the Canadian senate discussed this. Things was said like "Shit Happens" and "I was told by younger people, to keep my old nose out of Bitcoin" and this
shows a government that understand it's role and are humble enough to admit, what they know and where they need help.

In my country, members of parliment drive fancy cars, only speak to the media when it's advantage their career and the normal public is seen as ignorant folk, who has to serve them. This is most certainly a very FRESH change, from what I am used too.

If it was not for the cold weather, I would emigrate to Canada.  ;)  


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: johnyj on October 10, 2014, 04:08:48 PM
Epic!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on October 10, 2014, 04:59:43 PM
amazing talk. very good andreas. you killed the canadian bearwhale!  :P


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: BADecker on October 10, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Hey, government people all over the free world WANT Bitcoin. Bitcoin will give them a whole lot more freedom to operate covertly than fiat does, They simply don't know how to take down the banks and bankers without disrupting their respective governments, any more than the rest of the people do. It's expected they would cheer.

:)


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: instructor2121 on October 10, 2014, 10:29:47 PM
As always, his explanations are direct and well thought.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: BTCfan668 on October 10, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
He did a really great job. He was clearly well prepared and was able to discuss bitcoin in detail under pressure!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Klestin on October 11, 2014, 01:14:50 AM
Absolutely and completely well done. Bravo.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: keithers on October 11, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
I wish the United States was as open forum as this Canadian forum.   The only thing that the United States cares about is taxation, and money laundering.   If they could charge a tax on money laundering, they wouldn't care about the laundering anymore either...


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: jonald_fyookball on October 11, 2014, 01:55:35 AM
I wish the United States was as open forum as this Canadian forum.   The only thing that the United States cares about is taxation, and money laundering.   If they could charge a tax on money laundering, they wouldn't care about the laundering anymore either...

no kidding... is it just me, or does the US seem WAY more corrupt and politicized than Canada.?


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: nsimmons on October 11, 2014, 02:08:24 AM
https://i.imgur.com/bNG3k3G.jpg


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: williamj2543 on October 11, 2014, 02:22:38 AM
I have to set aside some time to watch the whole thing.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: mayabitcoin on October 11, 2014, 08:30:02 AM
Amazing answers, Mr. Antonopoulos. I couldn't have said it better myself. Truly impressed. We really do need to give the bitcoin community some time to breathe. Let people know more about Bitcoin then say something about it. Standing ovation for you, Andreas. Awesome!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: BTCIndia on October 11, 2014, 08:32:38 AM
Amazing answers, Mr. Antonopoulos. I couldn't have said it better myself. Truly impressed. We really do need to give the bitcoin community some time to breathe. Let people know more about Bitcoin then say something about it. Standing ovation for you, Andreas. Awesome!

If you have seen his previous videos then you'll come to know. He wasn't able to kick ass there. He skipped some question, and didn't came up with appropriate warrant.

Plus, he was way too technical and repeated same thing again and again and again.

I'm still his biggest fan!



Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: skywave on October 11, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
Watched the whole video - excellent!
Impressed with the enthusiasm from the senate members, and the calm and concise answers from Andreas.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Q7 on October 11, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
I actually followed the video from start until the end which i rarely do for youtube videos. And i can say the strong words will surely help to promote bitcoin. Good work!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: BitcoinBoost on October 11, 2014, 02:41:22 PM
The more he speaks, the better for Bitcoin and the entire ecosystem.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: crazy-pilot on October 11, 2014, 05:48:48 PM
Amazing answers, Mr. Antonopoulos. I couldn't have said it better myself. Truly impressed. We really do need to give the bitcoin community some time to breathe. Let people know more about Bitcoin then say something about it. Standing ovation for you, Andreas. Awesome!

If you have seen his previous videos then you'll come to know. He wasn't able to kick ass there. He skipped some question, and didn't came up with appropriate warrant.

Plus, he was way too technical and repeated same thing again and again and again.

I'm still his biggest fan!


He needs to give a technical explanation in order to appropriately answer questions being asked of him.

I think he did a wonderful job.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on October 11, 2014, 06:52:20 PM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.


like Amir Taaki too.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: bbit on October 11, 2014, 06:54:50 PM
I have to set aside some time to watch the whole thing.

Yes, you need to!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: Velkro on October 11, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
Watched this, that was amazing! He really did huge favor bitcoin community.
Love Andreas!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: spooderman on October 11, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.


like Amir Taaki too.

That a joke? Lol. I really like Amir Taaki, but I don't think that description suits him at all!


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: bitcoinmon on October 12, 2014, 02:04:18 AM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.


like Amir Taaki too.

I do agree.  But maybe Amir is not the best to talk to old senate types?


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: jabo38 on October 12, 2014, 04:50:31 AM
amazing talk. very good andreas. you killed the canadian bearwhale!  :P

Put this guy on a plane to DC.  


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: jabo38 on October 12, 2014, 04:51:02 AM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.


like Amir Taaki too.

Keep this guy off planes


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: MGGB on October 12, 2014, 05:30:28 AM
That was awesome! Well worth watching! 


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: googlemaster1 on October 12, 2014, 05:51:55 AM
It was a nice "Hey I'm done writing my book now, I'm back" sort of thing.  The crypto community thought he threw in the towel or something.  I was so happy he was speaking over literally ANYONE else in this community that has been outspoken thus far.  There are very few names in this space that don't come off as a little cooky, and I think its because you had to be a little weird to get into this early....


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on October 12, 2014, 08:33:33 AM
He is one of the best front men that Bitcoin can have because he speaks so intelligently and articulately.   He knows how to disagree and make a point without sounding too ignorant or too anarchistic.


like Amir Taaki too.

That a joke? Lol. I really like Amir Taaki, but I don't think that description suits him at all!


you understood my humor  ;)


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked ass at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: ofortuna on October 12, 2014, 10:03:22 AM
Here's the Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

Lost sleep listening to this but it was worth it.



Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: bithound on October 12, 2014, 11:37:07 AM
That was awesome! Well worth watching!  

I havent watched it yet.. But I will if I get my internet connection fixed.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: remotemass on October 12, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
Canada should recognize bitcoin as a "unit of account" as did Germany. This would help legitimizing it.


Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos kicked asses at the Canadian SENATE!
Post by: sickpig on October 13, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
Amazing answers, Mr. Antonopoulos. I couldn't have said it better myself. Truly impressed. We really do need to give the bitcoin community some time to breathe. Let people know more about Bitcoin then say something about it. Standing ovation for you, Andreas. Awesome!

If you have seen his previous videos then you'll come to know. He wasn't able to kick ass there. He skipped some question, and didn't came up with appropriate warrant.

Plus, he was way too technical and repeated same thing again and again and again.

you're sarcastic, right?