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Title: im done Post by: person1029 on October 11, 2014, 05:57:57 AM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto
but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Title: Re: im done Post by: Trance on October 11, 2014, 06:07:01 AM The world is filled with greed. Don't forget
Title: Re: im done Post by: shawshankinmate37927 on October 11, 2014, 06:09:15 AM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself So long. Be sure to come back and let us know how fiat is working out for you from time to time. Title: Re: im done Post by: franky1 on October 11, 2014, 06:48:18 AM altcoin trading is only good if your part of the pre-mine, if not.. never touch altcoins. but dont use altcoins as your excuse to give up on bitcoins. atleast hold 1 or 2 bitcoins (not life savings, but a reasonable amount) and dont touch them.
come back in 6 months-2 years and see what your hoard is worth Title: Re: im done Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 11, 2014, 06:58:09 AM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas.
Title: Re: im done Post by: Q7 on October 11, 2014, 07:14:10 AM And that is the reason why i only keep all my stash in bitcoin and small amount in dogecoin and litecoin. Anyway that being said don't put so much hate in altcoin, it's a great way to double up your holdings ....that is if you managed to get in early
Title: Re: im dumb Post by: Spoetnik on October 11, 2014, 02:12:39 PM i feel sorry for
all they did is try and post 1,218 coins making minor changes to Bitcoin or Litecoin etc jeez ! these guys worked their ass off hitting the scroll wheel on that Cloning Tutorial they read have some respect ! don't pick on the poor devs guys they have their mouths to feed dammit and if it takes running a ponzi scheme and suckering kids for lunch money then so be it. these guys are unemployed for a reason so they HAVE to do this pyramid scheme cloning crap how else are they going to pay for their Lambo's ? oh and Doge ? that is truly hilarious LOL It is the worst coin ever made and a useless piece of shit rip off clone coin with an unfunny icon stolen from Google. it is the very definition of scam / clone coin and is a cancer on the Altcoin scene has contributed to making Bitcoin itself look like a scam too ! Doge coin is going no where trust me.. it's doomed ! Title: Re: im done Post by: kelsey on October 11, 2014, 02:16:30 PM So long. Be sure to come back and let us know how fiat is working out for you from time to time. the OP's issue is the fact that 99.9% of this alt community is in it for the fiat :'( Title: Re: im done Post by: yogibaer on October 11, 2014, 02:38:27 PM So long. Be sure to come back and let us know how fiat is working out for you from time to time. the OP's issue is the fact that 99.9% of this alt community is in it for the fiat :'( That's very true!!! Title: Re: im done Post by: Este Nuno on October 11, 2014, 03:23:08 PM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Not all projects out there are run by greedy people just out to make a buck. Maybe 99% of them are, but there are some gems out there if you're willing to sift through the shit. And if you're not that's understandable and I don't really blame you. Title: Re: im done Post by: digitalindustry on October 11, 2014, 03:34:43 PM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself this reminds me of another "famous" "that's it i'm done" topic. ha ha . anyhow.... Title: Re: im done Post by: itsAj on October 11, 2014, 03:36:03 PM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Not all projects out there are run by greedy people just out to make a buck. Maybe 99% of them are, but there are some gems out there if you're willing to sift through the shit. And if you're not that's understandable and I don't really blame you. Exactly there is some really important projects in the altcoin development section. Title: Re: im done Post by: rabbiter on October 11, 2014, 03:42:16 PM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Spoken like a true naive millennial brat. So baby found out some people are trying to get what they can? Welcome to the world boy. Here's a life tip. How you choose to behave in that environment is about your integrity. And recognising your own selfishness would be a major first step. I stay because among the hubris the financial systems of tomorrow are potentially being forged. There are some incredibly talented people on these forums, some of whom might shape your future whether you know it yet or not. PS Dogecoin? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Title: Re: im done Post by: UnicornFarts on October 11, 2014, 03:49:00 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. may put this in my quote section Title: Re: im done Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 11, 2014, 04:09:42 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. may put this in my quote section Haha, I should have known this thread would get moved to Altcoin. *click* *click* (it's full, thank god) Title: Re: im done Post by: Coingrab on October 11, 2014, 04:26:10 PM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Far more greed scams and death threats and real death in fiat. I'm sure ot's the same for BTC as well. Just use your head and look for signs its a scam coin etc. Title: Re: im done Post by: KrLos on October 11, 2014, 04:34:33 PM I learned a lot about cryptos and people a while back.
So I constantly read this to see how some scams are evolving and maybe wich altcoins worth my time. I have supported few because I liked, some worked, others was just scams. Even tough I think this is part of the normal evolution, and supporting some alts I might be supporting an innovation that will help Bitcoin in the long run. Yes, I have lost some money, but that's why I only invest what I can afford to lose. Cheers. Title: Re: im done Post by: fr4nkthetank on October 11, 2014, 04:35:07 PM The world is filled with greed. Don't forget yeah but these neckbeard devs and so greedy and fucking hostile that they will take all the nails from the boat until the boat sinks. they dont care about anything. the world is filled with greed, but when people are willing to have it all burn down for their own greed, they usually get killed. Title: Re: im done Post by: qqNxt on October 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM it is hard to handle the truth, the world is run by greed.
Title: Re: im done Post by: Kryptonite on October 11, 2014, 04:40:42 PM as long bitcoin depends on fiat and altcoins depends on btc
none of these crypto currency will ever thrive. Title: Re: im done Post by: cassius69 on October 11, 2014, 04:45:11 PM now you'll have time to get some pussy. good luck ;D
Title: Re: im done Post by: fivebells on October 11, 2014, 05:06:20 PM The burstcoin community is young, but so far is showing relatively little avarice.
Title: Re: im done Post by: bluemeanie1 on October 11, 2014, 05:18:53 PM An example of such a cryptocurrency scam (http://www.nxtscam.org). this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself Title: Re: im done Post by: nutildah on October 11, 2014, 06:12:21 PM An example of such a crypt.... http://batesmeron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/zip-it-real-good.jpg Am I missing something or is BM the kind of behavior that drives all seriousness away from this forum? I truly identify with OP. Everyone else who feels otherwise, you're a walking advertisement for pro-regulation. You're basically saying to the powers that be, "Please step in and regulate us, we obviously can't help ourselves." Cryptocurrency was in part necessitated by the fact that Wall Street and the surrounding bureaucracy sucks so very, very much. Nowadays the only remaining difference between crypto and Wall Street is regulation. So you want regulation? By all means, keep it up, keep blabbing about how this is the real world because it is not. Its a pack of thieves committing crimes in broad daylight, waiting to be rounded up. Or at least taxed and fined. Title: nutildah, NXTSCAM.ORG profile Post by: bluemeanie1 on October 11, 2014, 06:18:27 PM nutildah (http://www.nxtscam.org/2014/10/nutildah-bitcointalkorg-account.html), I'd say you have probably caused more damage to this forum's credibility than any other single account.
Title: Re: im done Post by: jabo38 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:02 PM altcoin trading is only good if your part of the pre-mine, if not.. never touch altcoins. but dont use altcoins as your excuse to give up on bitcoins. atleast hold 1 or 2 bitcoins (not life savings, but a reasonable amount) and dont touch them. come back in 6 months-2 years and see what your hoard is worth +1 At least hold a lot couple bitcoins. The altcoin wars are filled with lots and lots of dirty tricks with very few honest players in town. Eventually an altcoin is going to become pretty powerful, but it is soooo hard to know. Title: Re: im done Post by: thompete on October 11, 2014, 07:07:55 PM You got to go through 1000 altcoins to get that perfect one .
Title: Re: im done Post by: Zer0Sum on October 11, 2014, 07:18:15 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. Crypto is most people's first direct experience with the underground criminal economy. This is what it's like when you reject Govt Authority and chose anarchy. It gets much worse. It's like drug dealing, stock swindles, doing business in a place like Russia, fraud = culture... Normal people should just go back to doing normal things. Title: Re: im done Post by: kelsey on October 11, 2014, 10:14:05 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. Crypto is most people's first direct experience with the underground criminal economy. This is what it's like when you reject Govt Authority and chose anarchy. It gets much worse. It's like drug dealing, stock swindles, doing business in a place like Russia, fraud = culture... Normal people should just go back to doing normal things. Yes when I first read I was thinking from his/her chosen name I'd say they'd possibility be talking about their own side of town ;) Title: Re: im done Post by: Spoetnik on October 11, 2014, 11:47:37 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. Crypto is most people's first direct experience with the underground criminal economy. This is what it's like when you reject Govt Authority and chose anarchy. It gets much worse. It's like drug dealing, stock swindles, doing business in a place like Russia, fraud = culture... Normal people should just go back to doing normal things. and normal people don't spend 24/7 hyping anon crap online either.. i have been a life long file sharing advocate and we NEED file sharing anon tech in a way.. but i don't think it's the solution and of much use. what we need in file sharing is laws to protect us and our rights not tools to hide from bully's. i am not a pirate and i am not doing anything wrong and i have no reason to hide.. the people who stalk me do though ! anyway no idea why these guys here STILL push anon garbage the majority just don't care and the public never will. classic internet tech bullshit.. we decide what you want and force it on you LOL basic routine privacy is not what these coins are pushing either..they are targeting the extreme side of anon tech the kind of shit only people who use Silkroad or commit other crimes want. if normal average users get basic privacy i think they are fine with it such as what their bank or credit card offers or Paypal or even Bitcoin itself. ..clone coin. change it just enough to call it a fork.. then tack on gimmick and flog it for Bitcoin's to cash out to fiat while crying your a Crypto supporter. ..rinse repeat. Title: Re: im done Post by: Willisius on October 12, 2014, 01:21:25 AM There's no saving the Altcoin subforum. :P I don't blame you for leaving. I don't even talk about the coins I like here any more because I know I'm just adding to the noise.
Title: Re: im done Post by: kelsey on October 12, 2014, 01:40:56 AM There's no saving the Altcoin subforum. :P I don't blame you for leaving. I don't even talk about the coins I like here any more because I know I'm just adding to the noise. Problem any talk about alts here is pumping xyz crypto for fiat profit (in between the infighting), not much talk about creating alternative currencies to fiat. Title: Re: im done Post by: jaybny on October 12, 2014, 02:09:03 AM this is probably a meaningless post here, since everyone talks about crypto but ive reasoned im giving up on listening to these forums and caring about crypto all together, i dont speak for everyone obviusly but specifically the altcoin community is filled with a lot of greed what i see is a few group of people cloning coins over and over again, creating whatever shady method to get the most of their own coin, then dumping it and repeating while the supporters are just tryin to make money in the proccess, which is kind of lame since a majority lose money to the devs if one coin wins this at some poitn i hope its dogecoin, because its funny and doesnt involve deaththreats from the community and my point about the altcoin cloning is probably obvious to anyone who has been readin the altcoin forums lon enough but everytime i check them i just et miserable and feel bad for the people who are posting their hatred against devs but whatever if someone finds it enjoyable to follow / mine / trade altcoins its good for them jus tspeaking for myself breakoutcoin.com Title: Re: im done Post by: rabbiter on October 12, 2014, 02:16:21 AM An example of such a crypt.... http://batesmeron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/zip-it-real-good.jpg Am I missing something or is BM the kind of behavior that drives all seriousness away from this forum? I truly identify with OP. Everyone else who feels otherwise, you're a walking advertisement for pro-regulation. You're basically saying to the powers that be, "Please step in and regulate us, we obviously can't help ourselves." Cryptocurrency was in part necessitated by the fact that Wall Street and the surrounding bureaucracy sucks so very, very much. Nowadays the only remaining difference between crypto and Wall Street is regulation. So you want regulation? By all means, keep it up, keep blabbing about how this is the real world because it is not. Its a pack of thieves committing crimes in broad daylight, waiting to be rounded up. Or at least taxed and fined. Tax, well that's not a crime to take persons wealth from people by force is it. Title: Re: im done Post by: HunterS on October 12, 2014, 02:51:38 AM An example of such a crypt.... http://batesmeron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/zip-it-real-good.jpg Am I missing something or is BM the kind of behavior that drives all seriousness away from this forum? I truly identify with OP. Everyone else who feels otherwise, you're a walking advertisement for pro-regulation. You're basically saying to the powers that be, "Please step in and regulate us, we obviously can't help ourselves." Cryptocurrency was in part necessitated by the fact that Wall Street and the surrounding bureaucracy sucks so very, very much. Nowadays the only remaining difference between crypto and Wall Street is regulation. So you want regulation? By all means, keep it up, keep blabbing about how this is the real world because it is not. Its a pack of thieves committing crimes in broad daylight, waiting to be rounded up. Or at least taxed and fined. Title: Re: im done Post by: kelsey on October 12, 2014, 05:23:29 AM An example of such a crypt.... http://batesmeron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/zip-it-real-good.jpg Am I missing something or is BM the kind of behavior that drives all seriousness away from this forum? I truly identify with OP. Everyone else who feels otherwise, you're a walking advertisement for pro-regulation. You're basically saying to the powers that be, "Please step in and regulate us, we obviously can't help ourselves." Cryptocurrency was in part necessitated by the fact that Wall Street and the surrounding bureaucracy sucks so very, very much. Nowadays the only remaining difference between crypto and Wall Street is regulation. So you want regulation? By all means, keep it up, keep blabbing about how this is the real world because it is not. Its a pack of thieves committing crimes in broad daylight, waiting to be rounded up. Or at least taxed and fined. The whole point to cryptos, and by their very nature, they can be completely indifferent to regulations, governments etc......seems many of the users are just convinced by gov etc otherwise....shame really. Title: Re: im done Post by: btcxyzzz on October 12, 2014, 05:46:01 AM as long bitcoin depends on fiat and altcoins depends on btc none of these crypto currency will ever thrive. I think you nailed it. We need completely separate economy not caring at all about price in USD. Title: Re: im done Post by: YarkoL on October 12, 2014, 05:54:09 AM This would be the most accurate thing i have read in this forum.Regulation is coming and they have no one to blame but themselves.To many people have lost alot of money in crypto to go unnoticed for much longer.Crypto has been watched for a long time by officals and its want be long before the regulations start flowing.Greed is such a terrible thing. It's a good thing crypto cannot be regulated. There will be walled gardens, certifications and adherence guidelines. That's OK too. There will be different kind of risks there in the regulated world, but I'll bet the atmosphere will be more pleasant than here. Because of moderation. But I repeat, you can't regulate crypto unless you deny access to internet. It's autonomous. There will always be the bad side of the town. And that's where the good, hip, innovative stuff will always come from. To be domesticated and watered-down for the mainstream consumption. Title: Re: im done Post by: eizh on October 12, 2014, 05:58:10 AM It's a good thing crypto cannot be regulated. There will be walled gardens, certifications and adherence guidelines. That's OK too. There will be different kind of risks there in the regulated world, but I'll bet the atmosphere will be more pleasant than here. Because of moderation. But I repeat, you can't regulate crypto unless you deny access to internet. It's autonomous. There will always be the bad side of the town. And that's where the good, hip, innovative stuff will always come from. To be domesticated and watered-down for the mainstream consumption. Not quite. People can be regulated (by coercion) and so as long as crypto users can be identified, cryptocurrencies can be regulated by proxy. Title: Re: im done Post by: ObscureBean on October 12, 2014, 09:19:25 AM The greed you speak of is an inherent trait of humanity. It defines the very world you live in, you cannot escape it just by shifting your focus from cryptos to something else, it's everywhere. You'll have to try and change the world if you really feel strongly about it :)
Or you could consider letting the greedy be greedy so long as you know you're not greedy. And if you feel sorry for those investors who are losing money, well they are just as greedy as the rest. There is no lesser or greater greed, it's just greed :D Title: Re: im done Post by: Amph on October 12, 2014, 10:35:21 AM So long. Be sure to come back and let us know how fiat is working out for you from time to time. the OP's issue is the fact that 99.9% of this alt community is in it for the fiat :'( fucking true, they talk about crypto, but all they want is fiat, i'm still converting everything in bitcoin Title: Re: im done Post by: Bombadil on October 12, 2014, 11:15:50 AM So long. Be sure to come back and let us know how fiat is working out for you from time to time. the OP's issue is the fact that 99.9% of this alt community is in it for the fiat :'( fucking true, they talk about crypto, but all they want is fiat, i'm still converting everything in bitcoin I've been mining since January this year, and never converted anything to fiat. Ok, I only have a few GPUs and electricity included in rent, so I don't need to. Crypto is my fancy-playmoney, my heart would shatter if I sold it for fiat :P I don't care about BTC/USD, only altcoins/BTC ;) But 'lately', even altcoin/BTC profitmining has been low. That's why I currently decide to mine coins that I honestly like but are pretty small in community, to support their networks hashrate. Title: Re: im done Post by: sdersdf3 on October 12, 2014, 02:54:26 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. Title: Re: im done Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 12, 2014, 03:19:52 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. It's been bad for a long time. I stopped even looking at the alt section when I stopped mining ltc with cpu and btc with video cards at the same time. Between the coin attacks, scammers, death threats and other bullshit in the alt section I'm surprised theymos hasn't eliminated this section altogether. I know why he keeps it though. The altcoins and this section bring more visitors to the forum than all of the other sections combined including the other language sections. More hits to the forum means more ad revenue. Title: Re: im done Post by: sdersdf3 on October 12, 2014, 03:34:55 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. It's been bad for a long time. I stopped even looking at the alt section when I stopped mining ltc with cpu and btc with video cards at the same time. Between the coin attacks, scammers, death threats and other bullshit in the alt section I'm surprised theymos hasn't eliminated this section altogether. I know why he keeps it though. The altcoins and this section bring more visitors to the forum than all of the other sections combined including the other language sections. More hits to the forum means more ad revenue. There are signs we're seeing a secular (rather than just cyclical) decline in interest and trading volume across multiple exchanges - and not just in altcoins but bitcoins as well. New money isn't coming in and old money is moving out. Rallies that used to last days are now hour-long blips. No coin seems to stay on top gainers lists for more than a day or so. I don't know where this forum is headed, but the altcoin markets already seem to be fading. One of the biggest signs of this is that even the twitter celebrities are complaining and, most importantly, behaving like the good times are over or near over. Check out IconicExpert - he's planning on doing an ICO, a remarkable indication (no matter what he says) that he no longer feels there's much money to be made from trading (and dumping on other people) as there used to be. Cobain just spouts random jokes - doesnt bother recommending anything any more. If you look at the various altcoin threads, the ferocity of coin-on-coin attacks shows the pie is shrinking for everyone, making people fight more fiercely over what's perceived to be a shrinking pie. Bitcoin offered a golden opportunity for innovation and creativity and empire building - but so many have squandered that opportunity. I am hopeful that some exceptions will arise from the dreck and bring back better times, and not just for insiders. Until then, I do an occasional peak for needle in a haystack, but I dont take most of these [ANN]'s very seriously as much other than BTC-vacuums. Most people here do not seem to be interested in building a principled crypto ecosystem here. Title: Re: im done Post by: rabbiter on October 12, 2014, 03:50:11 PM The greed you speak of is an inherent trait of humanity. It defines the very world you live in, you cannot escape it just by shifting your focus from cryptos to something else, it's everywhere. You'll have to try and change the world if you really feel strongly about it :) Or you could consider letting the greedy be greedy so long as you know you're not greedy. And if you feel sorry for those investors who are losing money, well they are just as greedy as the rest. There is no lesser or greater greed, it's just greed :D Why does the desire to gain wealth have such a negative word as greed? many on here are from 2nd or even 3rd world countries that are striving to make some money that many in first world countries are born with. It's easy to call others greedy when you already have wealth, home, car, job etc. What about the idea of bettering ones life and loved ones and gaining economic freedom to live the life you want. Is that greed? Title: Re: im done Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 12, 2014, 04:38:27 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. It's been bad for a long time. I stopped even looking at the alt section when I stopped mining ltc with cpu and btc with video cards at the same time. Between the coin attacks, scammers, death threats and other bullshit in the alt section I'm surprised theymos hasn't eliminated this section altogether. I know why he keeps it though. The altcoins and this section bring more visitors to the forum than all of the other sections combined including the other language sections. More hits to the forum means more ad revenue. There are signs we're seeing a secular (rather than just cyclical) decline in interest and trading volume across multiple exchanges - and not just in altcoins but bitcoins as well. New money isn't coming in and old money is moving out. Rallies that used to last days are now hour-long blips. No coin seems to stay on top gainers lists for more than a day or so. I don't know where this forum is headed, but the altcoin markets already seem to be fading. One of the biggest signs of this is that even the twitter celebrities are complaining and, most importantly, behaving like the good times are over or near over. Check out IconicExpert - he's planning on doing an ICO, a remarkable indication (no matter what he says) that he no longer feels there's much money to be made from trading (and dumping on other people) as there used to be. Cobain just spouts random jokes - doesnt bother recommending anything any more. If you look at the various altcoin threads, the ferocity of coin-on-coin attacks shows the pie is shrinking for everyone, making people fight more fiercely over what's perceived to be a shrinking pie. Bitcoin offered a golden opportunity for innovation and creativity and empire building - but so many have squandered that opportunity. I am hopeful that some exceptions will arise from the dreck and bring back better times, and not just for insiders. Until then, I do an occasional peak for needle in a haystack, but I dont take most of these [ANN]'s very seriously as much other than BTC-vacuums. Most people here do not seem to be interested in building a principled crypto ecosystem here. I agree completely. In early 2011 you couldn't respond to a thread in Bitcoin discussion, regardless of the topic, without an immediate response from someone else. Now I hardly see anyone that I talked to back then on the forum. New people seem far more scarce than they used to be and it can take as much as a day for an answer to appear in a thread. When you click on "show unread posts since last visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread what you see now is a bunch of Altcoin threads, a few marketplace threads and Bitcoin wall observer thread (wannabe speculators trolling). Less and less people are coming here for Bitcoin. Everyone is excited that VC money is bringing new businesses to Bitcoin. Anyone can accept Bitcoin but that doesn't mean customers are ever going to show up at your business with a pocket full of Bitcoin ready to spend. There are still lots of people mining Bitcoin and they are benefitting from all the new options for spending them. Already we are seeing large ASIC farms that are taking over Bitcoin mining. What's going to happen when ASIC manufacturers completely take over Bitcoin mining? Will there be more than a handful of individuals actually using Bitcoin at that time? A bunch of free state project hippies buying granola at Porcfest isn't enough to make a thriving economy. For years the average Joe has been bombarded by bad news about Bitcoin the scammer/crime money. He is unwilling to listen to the stories and learn that Bitcoin isn't responsible for the crime. I have friends that treat me like a Seventh Day Adventist knocking on the door when I bring up Bitcoin now. They just don't want to hear it anymore. The only way Mr. Normal Guy is going to use Bitcoin is if he doesn't know he's using it. If it becomes a background service like TCP/IP then it might grow. Currently Bitcoin isn't robust enough to be picked up for global use as a background service. It will need lots of improvements first. BTW: What's the current exchange rate of TCP/IP to the dollar. If Norm doesn't know he's using it, it won't have an exchange rate. Title: Re: im done Post by: sdersdf3 on October 12, 2014, 05:03:55 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. It's been bad for a long time. I stopped even looking at the alt section when I stopped mining ltc with cpu and btc with video cards at the same time. Between the coin attacks, scammers, death threats and other bullshit in the alt section I'm surprised theymos hasn't eliminated this section altogether. I know why he keeps it though. The altcoins and this section bring more visitors to the forum than all of the other sections combined including the other language sections. More hits to the forum means more ad revenue. There are signs we're seeing a secular (rather than just cyclical) decline in interest and trading volume across multiple exchanges - and not just in altcoins but bitcoins as well. New money isn't coming in and old money is moving out. Rallies that used to last days are now hour-long blips. No coin seems to stay on top gainers lists for more than a day or so. I don't know where this forum is headed, but the altcoin markets already seem to be fading. One of the biggest signs of this is that even the twitter celebrities are complaining and, most importantly, behaving like the good times are over or near over. Check out IconicExpert - he's planning on doing an ICO, a remarkable indication (no matter what he says) that he no longer feels there's much money to be made from trading (and dumping on other people) as there used to be. Cobain just spouts random jokes - doesnt bother recommending anything any more. If you look at the various altcoin threads, the ferocity of coin-on-coin attacks shows the pie is shrinking for everyone, making people fight more fiercely over what's perceived to be a shrinking pie. Bitcoin offered a golden opportunity for innovation and creativity and empire building - but so many have squandered that opportunity. I am hopeful that some exceptions will arise from the dreck and bring back better times, and not just for insiders. Until then, I do an occasional peak for needle in a haystack, but I dont take most of these [ANN]'s very seriously as much other than BTC-vacuums. Most people here do not seem to be interested in building a principled crypto ecosystem here. I agree completely. In early 2011 you couldn't respond to a thread in Bitcoin discussion, regardless of the topic, without an immediate response from someone else. Now I hardly see anyone that I talked to back then on the forum. New people seem far more scarce than they used to be and it can take as much as a day for an answer to appear in a thread. When you click on "show unread posts since last visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread what you see now is a bunch of Altcoin threads, a few marketplace threads and Bitcoin wall observer thread (wannabe speculators trolling). Less and less people are coming here for Bitcoin. Everyone is excited that VC money is bringing new businesses to Bitcoin. Anyone can accept Bitcoin but that doesn't mean customers are ever going to show up at your business with a pocket full of Bitcoin ready to spend. There are still lots of people mining Bitcoin and they are benefitting from all the new options for spending them. Already we are seeing large ASIC farms that are taking over Bitcoin mining. What's going to happen when ASIC manufacturers completely take over Bitcoin mining? Will there be more than a handful of individuals actually using Bitcoin at that time? A bunch of free state project hippies buying granola at Porcfest isn't enough to make a thriving economy. For years the average Joe has been bombarded by bad news about Bitcoin the scammer/crime money. He is unwilling to listen to the stories and learn that Bitcoin isn't responsible for the crime. I have friends that treat me like a Seventh Day Adventist knocking on the door when I bring up Bitcoin now. They just don't want to hear it anymore. The only way Mr. Normal Guy is going to use Bitcoin is if he doesn't know he's using it. If it becomes a background service like TCP/IP then it might grow. Currently Bitcoin isn't robust enough to be picked up for global use as a background service. It will need lots of improvements first. BTW: What's the current exchange rate of TCP/IP to the dollar. If Norm doesn't know he's using it, it won't have an exchange rate. Totally agree with that - I think where btc and altcoins might be most effective is in the background or as an add-on feature to a suite that the average joe/jean will really go for. I think these Nectar guys have the right idea: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812124.msg9090897#msg9090897 Title: Re: im done Post by: QuestionAuthority on October 12, 2014, 05:16:42 PM The Altcoin section is pretty savage. Going there is like driving through that side of town where you lock your doors and hope you don't run out of gas. It's gotten pretty bad - no doubt about it. It's been bad for a long time. I stopped even looking at the alt section when I stopped mining ltc with cpu and btc with video cards at the same time. Between the coin attacks, scammers, death threats and other bullshit in the alt section I'm surprised theymos hasn't eliminated this section altogether. I know why he keeps it though. The altcoins and this section bring more visitors to the forum than all of the other sections combined including the other language sections. More hits to the forum means more ad revenue. There are signs we're seeing a secular (rather than just cyclical) decline in interest and trading volume across multiple exchanges - and not just in altcoins but bitcoins as well. New money isn't coming in and old money is moving out. Rallies that used to last days are now hour-long blips. No coin seems to stay on top gainers lists for more than a day or so. I don't know where this forum is headed, but the altcoin markets already seem to be fading. One of the biggest signs of this is that even the twitter celebrities are complaining and, most importantly, behaving like the good times are over or near over. Check out IconicExpert - he's planning on doing an ICO, a remarkable indication (no matter what he says) that he no longer feels there's much money to be made from trading (and dumping on other people) as there used to be. Cobain just spouts random jokes - doesnt bother recommending anything any more. If you look at the various altcoin threads, the ferocity of coin-on-coin attacks shows the pie is shrinking for everyone, making people fight more fiercely over what's perceived to be a shrinking pie. Bitcoin offered a golden opportunity for innovation and creativity and empire building - but so many have squandered that opportunity. I am hopeful that some exceptions will arise from the dreck and bring back better times, and not just for insiders. Until then, I do an occasional peak for needle in a haystack, but I dont take most of these [ANN]'s very seriously as much other than BTC-vacuums. Most people here do not seem to be interested in building a principled crypto ecosystem here. I agree completely. In early 2011 you couldn't respond to a thread in Bitcoin discussion, regardless of the topic, without an immediate response from someone else. Now I hardly see anyone that I talked to back then on the forum. New people seem far more scarce than they used to be and it can take as much as a day for an answer to appear in a thread. When you click on "show unread posts since last visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread what you see now is a bunch of Altcoin threads, a few marketplace threads and Bitcoin wall observer thread (wannabe speculators trolling). Less and less people are coming here for Bitcoin. Everyone is excited that VC money is bringing new businesses to Bitcoin. Anyone can accept Bitcoin but that doesn't mean customers are ever going to show up at your business with a pocket full of Bitcoin ready to spend. There are still lots of people mining Bitcoin and they are benefitting from all the new options for spending them. Already we are seeing large ASIC farms that are taking over Bitcoin mining. What's going to happen when ASIC manufacturers completely take over Bitcoin mining? Will there be more than a handful of individuals actually using Bitcoin at that time? A bunch of free state project hippies buying granola at Porcfest isn't enough to make a thriving economy. For years the average Joe has been bombarded by bad news about Bitcoin the scammer/crime money. He is unwilling to listen to the stories and learn that Bitcoin isn't responsible for the crime. I have friends that treat me like a Seventh Day Adventist knocking on the door when I bring up Bitcoin now. They just don't want to hear it anymore. The only way Mr. Normal Guy is going to use Bitcoin is if he doesn't know he's using it. If it becomes a background service like TCP/IP then it might grow. Currently Bitcoin isn't robust enough to be picked up for global use as a background service. It will need lots of improvements first. BTW: What's the current exchange rate of TCP/IP to the dollar. If Norm doesn't know he's using it, it won't have an exchange rate. Totally agree with that - I think where btc and altcoins might be most effective is in the background or as an add-on feature to a suite that the average joe/jean will really go far. I think these Nectar guys have the right idea: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812124.msg9090897#msg9090897 Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. Title: Re: im done Post by: Liam Bitchtits on October 12, 2014, 06:44:39 PM IMO BTC and Alts actually need each other. BTC is having a rough go at the moment due to a lack of innovation. Alts on the other hand don't have the maturity and stability and infrastructure that bitcoin does. If BTC actually adopted some of the innovations of the alts it would be an unstoppable force. Nothing anywhere says it has to be one or the other. This crypto coin market is like cars where 100 yrs ago. there where thousands of makers. Some merged and some died off others rose to become giants. Very few if any markets support a monopoly naturally. Crypto is no exception.
Title: Re: im done Post by: ObscureBean on October 13, 2014, 05:43:18 AM The greed you speak of is an inherent trait of humanity. It defines the very world you live in, you cannot escape it just by shifting your focus from cryptos to something else, it's everywhere. You'll have to try and change the world if you really feel strongly about it :) Or you could consider letting the greedy be greedy so long as you know you're not greedy. And if you feel sorry for those investors who are losing money, well they are just as greedy as the rest. There is no lesser or greater greed, it's just greed :D Why does the desire to gain wealth have such a negative word as greed? many on here are from 2nd or even 3rd world countries that are striving to make some money that many in first world countries are born with. It's easy to call others greedy when you already have wealth, home, car, job etc. What about the idea of bettering ones life and loved ones and gaining economic freedom to live the life you want. Is that greed? Well if you read my comment carefully, you'll find that I have not condemned greed in any way. The first part of my comment only serve to reflect the current state of the world, not judging it ;) The negativity you've associated with the word is rooted in your own perception/understanding. Greed is neither good nor bad. To answer you question, only the one who is performing the act can judge whether he or she is being greedy. What everyone else's think is of no importance since perception itself is relative :) Title: Re: im done Post by: bushstar on October 13, 2014, 08:01:01 AM If money leaves crypto it will be a good thing. I see that there are three people in crypto, the enthusiasts, the idealists and those who want money. It is the later that has dominated for too long and some will go to any length to make a buck. We are working in open source software with absolutely none of the open source ethos. Anyone should be able to pick up the code and work on it as that is how you contribute to open source and others should welcome that. Instead each coin that comes to life generally seems to be out to destroy all others. This is simply greed, the same greed I saw with Bitcoiners when I first joined crypto, they said that there should only be one coin, Bitcoin. That is only an argument if you are looking at crypto from a market perspective, the more coins the thinner the market, the thing is that this is open source software and Bitcoin has to maintain a certain status quo. It is the alts that can break out and try new things that others including Bitcoin can incorporate. Alts have the same attitude of kill other coins to make their worth more. This kind of attitude is corrosive to crypto and will put people off when they only see hostility and abuse. Perhaps if Bitcoin goes back to being worth cents we can focus on features and functionality again.
Title: Re: im done Post by: kelsey on October 13, 2014, 08:15:51 AM If money leaves crypto it will be a good thing. I see that there are three people in crypto, the enthusiasts, the idealists and those who want money. It is the later that has dominated for too long and some will go to any length to make a buck. We are working in open source software with absolutely none of the open source ethos. Anyone should be able to pick up the code and work on it as that is how you contribute to open source and others should welcome that. Instead each coin that comes to life generally seems to be out to destroy all others. This is simply greed, the same greed I saw with Bitcoiners when I first joined crypto, they said that there should only be one coin, Bitcoin. That is only an argument if you are looking at crypto from a market perspective, the more coins the thinner the market, the thing is that this is open source software and Bitcoin has to maintain a certain status quo. It is the alts that can break out and try new things that others including Bitcoin can incorporate. Alts have the same attitude of kill other coins to make their worth more. This kind of attitude is corrosive to crypto and will put people off when they only see hostility and abuse. Perhaps if Bitcoin goes back to being worth cents we can focus on features and functionality again. +1 add to that I've always noted the IQ of this place is always inversely proportional to the price of BTC in USD, so I'd personally be glad if bitcoin was again worth a few cents, make the place more productive and less dog eat dog get rich quick types. whats the point of developing an alternative to the greedy banker controlled fiat if we ourselves become the greedy bankers? Title: Re: im done Post by: sdersdf3 on October 15, 2014, 02:18:31 AM mintpal's gone:
http://mintpal.com MintPal is currently down for urgent bug fixes, and is additionally moving to new management (away from Moopay LTD). A statement will follow shortly. ==== another shining example of what this "ecosystem" has become |
