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Title: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: casascius on May 13, 2011, 11:48:17 PM
I created a YouTube video to describe my experience with mining as well as buying lots of Bitcoins when they were 80 cents.

Excuse the amateur production and my wobbly hand with the iPhone.  Otherwise, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzBCbO8U45w


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Dayofswords on May 14, 2011, 12:02:01 AM
I fiddle around since late 2010, i only have 9BTC so far...

Do not have the funds for serious mining...

EDIT:I want your graphics cards lol


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: mewantsbitcoins on May 14, 2011, 12:26:49 AM
Cool man. Thanks for the video  :)


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: nebiz on May 14, 2011, 12:41:27 AM
Great video!  Nice investment!


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: OVerLoRDI on May 14, 2011, 12:41:58 AM
I have very jealous of your electricity rates.

I paid .158 up until may.  Now till October I pay .218


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Raize on May 14, 2011, 01:12:10 AM
Casascius, you probably account for most of the reason why BTC has rebounded so sharply. First you bought a lot of BTC, then you started mining professionally so that the other single GPU miners and CPU miners couldn't make as much as they used to. This was like a double-whammy to the BTC flow which is why people are willing to pay $8 per coin today.

I'm concerned whether or not you're going to be kicking yourself for not selling BTC sooner if MtGox goes down and the price of BTC crashes.

I can tell you guys this, when the price flows like it has been, there's FAR too much wealth concentrated in one location. If MtGox is physically shut down and raided anyone who has even a penny in there is going to lose it forever. We should watch legislation like hawks for any new bills being signed that might make a raid on the exchange legal, because once it's confiscated, ain't no one going to get it back and the lamentations we hear because of it will ensure NO ONE buys BTC for a very very long time.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: casascius on May 14, 2011, 01:34:53 AM
Casascius, you probably account for most of the reason why BTC has rebounded so sharply. First you bought a lot of BTC, then you started mining professionally so that the other single GPU miners and CPU miners couldn't make as much as they used to. This was like a double-whammy to the BTC flow which is why people are willing to pay $8 per coin today.

You make me out to be a far bigger fish in the sea than I am.

When I bought that equipment, I probably constituted about 2-3% of the entire Bitcoin network.  Remember, there are only 144 blocks awarded per day, and if I'm scoring three or four of them a day, well, what percentage is that?  You do the math.  Today, there are still 144 blocks a day, but if I score one every other day, I must be about 0.3% of the network now.

Amazing isn't it?  BTC value is up by a factor of 10, and mining output is down by a factor of 10... meaning mining is just as profitable to start today as it was when I started in February.  I am convinced that this ratio will stay in equilibrium due to the "should I buy or should I mine" thought process.

Certainly, my wind of three or four percent is not responsible for the 1000% growth of Bitcoin over the past three months.


I'm concerned whether or not you're going to be kicking yourself for not selling BTC sooner if MtGox goes down and the price of BTC crashes.


Who says I'm not selling?  I have been selling little bits this whole time.  Look at the OTC board.  Want to buy some?  I am down to about 18,000 BTC.

I can tell you guys this, when the price flows like it has been, there's FAR too much wealth concentrated in one location. If MtGox is physically shut down and raided anyone who has even a penny in there is going to lose it forever.

MtGox is operated from Japan.  What you say could be true about dollars (one could in theory shut down MtGox's bank account and make him dollar insolvent) but not true about Bitcoins (which are stored in the block chain, not in any physical location, and as long as he keeps his wallet file backed up, no "raid" can take it).  If that bothers you, don't keep dollars in MtGox.

We should watch legislation like hawks for any new bills being signed that might make a raid on the exchange legal, because once it's confiscated, ain't no one going to get it back and the lamentations we hear because of it will ensure NO ONE buys BTC for a very very long time.

Look at what happened to Wikileaks.  They tried to shut down wikileaks.org, and 1400 new mirrors popped up overnight.  MtGox doesn't have a monopoly on the Bitcoin trading market, someone could start a viable competitor tomorrow and be in business easily.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: psknives on May 14, 2011, 01:41:54 AM
I'm so jealous, if I knew about bitcoins about 1-2 months ago I would have bought $1000 worth of BTC and then I would sell it now... I would be making 7 grand in just 2 months.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: casascius on May 14, 2011, 01:45:24 AM
I'm so jealous, if I knew about bitcoins about 1-2 months ago I would have bought $1000 worth of BTC and then I would sell it now... I would be making 7 grand in just 2 months.

But you would have faced the exact same uncertainty and risk as you would if you contemplate buying $1000 worth of BTC today.  The only difference is the location of the decimal point.

It's all too easy to see a roulette wheel stop on red, and say, "I should have bet on red".  Of course that is not how it works.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: koin on May 14, 2011, 03:13:49 AM
But you would have faced the exact same uncertainty and risk as you would if you contemplate buying $1000 worth of BTC today.

that is oversimplifying and incorrect, in my opinion

the demand might have come from early adopters.  now that they've gobbled up theirs, will growth stall without another group who are nearly as eager?


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: bitcool on May 14, 2011, 03:31:31 AM
To buy or to mine? man, we faced same question, same thought process and came to same decision.

The only difference is you have bigger balls, you did everything on a larger scale. I guess that's true for everything in your neck of the woods.

EDIT: Don't be alarmed, I have your zip code b/c once I was seriously considering buying your mining hard drives. 


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 14, 2011, 03:34:10 AM
But you would have faced the exact same uncertainty and risk as you would if you contemplate buying $1000 worth of BTC today.

that is oversimplifying and incorrect, in my opinion

the demand might have come from early adopters.  now that they've gobbled up theirs, will growth stall without another group who are nearly as eager?

... the demand for digital money that is easy, near zero cost, to transfer, limited in issuance and pseudo-anonymous is difficult to estimate.

However, let's just say that there are more than 100,000 people on the planet of 7 billion that might like to use this .... run the numbers, the current exponential growth could go on for a long, long time ... us here now could be considered the "early adopters" after another 18 months of exponential growth ... it's difficult to get your head around the potential size of the shift in wealth/money perceptions that is possible, for anybody.

Life of its own now, enjoy the ride.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: EPiSKiNG on May 14, 2011, 04:14:19 AM
Awesome video.  What motherboards and PSU are you using for your rigs?

-EP


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2011, 04:41:00 AM
Nice video...glad to see the update.  It's an interesting dynamic in that when the price of bitcoins is rising at a fast enough clip, it's better to just buy bitcoin...and when the price levels out, the difficulty will likely catch up very fast and erode profits.  I viewed it the same way you did, a lower risk way of obtaining bitcoins.

Look at what happened to Wikileaks.  They tried to shut down wikileaks.org, and 1400 new mirrors popped up overnight.  MtGox doesn't have a monopoly on the Bitcoin trading market, someone could start a viable competitor tomorrow and be in business easily.

Heh...well, I think there are already a half dozen or so fully operational competitors to mtgox.  I think the key at this point is to expand the usage of bitcoin enough to where buying locally for cash is viable.  At that point, every electronic means of getting money into any exchange could be shutdown, but you could take a wad of cash out of the atm and find someone locally to buy from.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: rezin777 on May 14, 2011, 07:52:26 AM
I created a YouTube video to describe my experience with mining as well as buying lots of Bitcoins when they were 80 cents.

Excuse the amateur production and my wobbly hand with the iPhone.  Otherwise, enjoy!

Thanks for sharing your experience with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: TehZomB on May 14, 2011, 08:04:51 AM
Thanks for the sharing and update! However:

protip: never never never let your address out. hehe.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: bulanula on May 14, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
LOL you have made your fortune using BTC !

Had 25 000 so that is about 250 000 considering 1 BTC = 10 USD.

Nice !

Care to explain what hardware you are using ?

Thanks !


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Hawkix on May 14, 2011, 02:09:09 PM
I wish I had as long kitchen as yours. :) Then, I would not have to mine inside my living room, fighting with noise and heat.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: grndzero on May 15, 2011, 12:26:07 AM
I wish I had as long kitchen as yours. :) Then, I would not have to mine inside my living room, fighting with noise and heat.

I watched your video, and the one other bitcoin rig video on youtube at the time, before I decided to buy some dedicated hardware. Unfortunently I didn't have the money to go all out with 2 5970's right off the bat.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Raize on May 15, 2011, 02:30:06 AM
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Look at what happened to Wikileaks.  They tried to shut down wikileaks.org, and 1400 new mirrors popped up overnight.  MtGox doesn't have a monopoly on the Bitcoin trading market, someone could start a viable competitor tomorrow and be in business easily.

Wikileaks does free dissemination of information. MtGox holds actual Bitcoins and US Dollars which would be confiscated.

The fact that so few Bitcoiners realize how easy it is for someone to sue MtGox and get a judicial injunction (US, Japan, anywhere) thus holding up thousands of EVERYONE's money is a testament to how horrible a crash is going to affect the community. I'm sorry for those of you who don't understand this.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: darvil on May 15, 2011, 04:58:44 AM
Hey casascius

You mentioned you still solo right?  How much are you still able to make.  Are you close to the point where you will join a pool?

I have about 3.5k mhash and I'm in a pool right now.  Was wondering how viable it would be to solo.


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: casascius on May 15, 2011, 06:32:42 AM
Hey casascius

You mentioned you still solo right?  How much are you still able to make.  Are you close to the point where you will join a pool?

I have about 3.5k mhash and I'm in a pool right now.  Was wondering how viable it would be to solo.
I will probably never join a pool.  The difference is insignificant for me.  My miners just got a block within the last hour.  It's less frequent, but I still get blocks perhaps slightly better than every other day it seems.  Difficulty calculator says I should get a block every 31 hours at current difficulty (157426).


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: darvil on May 15, 2011, 08:17:20 AM
How many Mhashes do you have?  Was it 8K? I think I remember that from the video.

Do you just let them solo all together? nothing fancy right?

Although at my rate I don't think I can actually solo effectively.

I'd be in the 60+ hours compared to you.. if what you have is 8K


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Trini8ed on May 15, 2011, 08:30:36 AM
Hey casascius

You mentioned you still solo right?  How much are you still able to make.  Are you close to the point where you will join a pool?

I have about 3.5k mhash and I'm in a pool right now.  Was wondering how viable it would be to solo.
I will probably never join a pool.  The difference is insignificant for me.  My miners just got a block within the last hour.  It's less frequent, but I still get blocks perhaps slightly better than every other day it seems.  Difficulty calculator says I should get a block every 31 hours at current difficulty (157426).

Where do you get the current difficulties? also I am going to start up a farm already have 3 5870's! Gonna get a nice farm up and going but tbh I realize if I spend money on a farm I can sell the cards and come out even if it doesn't work out because its not like once you buy the hardware it becomes worthless :3 Thinking of getting a cheap p4 and a cheap p45 board and sticking 2 5970's in it!


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: zimpixa on May 15, 2011, 09:51:35 AM
If those rigs standing in your kitchen... Where the hell are u preparing your meals?


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: REF on May 15, 2011, 11:47:43 PM
hey i was just wondering what MoBo and CPU are you using in your rigs?


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: Binford 6100 on May 16, 2011, 01:24:35 AM
MtGox is operated from Japan.

isn't it ironic that the biggest exchange of a crypto commodity that's created basically by massive electricity consumption is operated from a country plagued by the biggest nuclear meltdown in a power-plant known to mankind so far.

btw i liked your video : )


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: 1bitc0inplz on May 16, 2011, 01:28:15 AM
If those rigs standing in your kitchen... Where the hell are u preparing your meals?

I wonder the same thing...


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: mewantsbitcoins on May 16, 2011, 01:30:10 AM
I think he can now afford to dine at the restaurant  ;D 


Title: Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later
Post by: bulanula on May 16, 2011, 05:13:02 PM
I think he can now afford to dine at the restaurant  ;D 

Best reply ever LOL !