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http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/13/technology/security/fbi-apple/index.html

A paedophile is one of the most hated people in the world.  No wonder the FBI are using them as an excuse to diss the new encryption on Apple and Google phones.

What do you think?  Is crime investigation more important than personal privacy?

"It's for the children!" is what they say whenever they want to invade your rights :-\

Absolutely not. Apple and Google are implementing features the people want. We all know the government isn't going to listen to the people (except to spy on them), so it's nice that someone is. As far as I'm concerned, if the government is in a tizzy over this, Apple and Google are doing something right. They can rightfully view this as a direct response to their unjustified spying. They won't, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.

they want that argument then its simple why do the government use encryption??? simple there all pedos no reason for it if youve got nothing to hide..

on my personal opinion i think everything on all tech should be encrypted mostly for safty and 2nd to really really piss of governments. i hate the fact governments think they have the right to go snooping on people with no permission off anybody. they are not above the law and if they can break the law and the law fails to protect us then its up to us to protect ourselves

I can't believe these companies put the people first. I guess now companies are on the right path.

Well they think of us as subjects to be ruled over. It's less them thinking they have the right and more them not thinking we have rights.

This is exactly how it should be. It's like giving the police the keys to every house, so they should always have to get a valid warrant. They shouldn't have back door access so that they can just walk right in and have a nosey around just because they've incorrectly assumed you might be up to no good.

This is CNN, they're about as trustworthy as the daily mail these days, they once tried to paint people who read manga/hentai as paedophiles, no sympathy for these arrogant cunts. Yes, we should definitely be encrypting lulcatz pictures and sending them off to random locations to piss off the American intelligence agencies.

The ironic thing is a lot of the people making these accusations will be religious and also Catholic and who have we heard the most committing actual paedophilia against children? LOL!

i think it's the new gay personally.  love is love. 

I thought anyone who disagreed with them was a Nazi or a racist before? I've lost track.

There's quite a difference between homosexuality(prevalent in males, however when it comes to females, even self-identified lesbians have shown sexual arousal to the opposite sex; males), and pedophilia(a occurring attraction to prepubescent children ages 13 and below)

Homosexuality, at least in the male sex, has show to be mostly been shown to be out of our control; genetic factors as well as hormones in the womb determine the likelyhood of a man being born male. The same can be said for Pedophilia according to new studies however, but the main difference between the two is Consent.

In pedophilia, the attraction is children, and as everyone already knows, they are mostly simple minded, still growing up, and are easy to be taken advantaged of, and can be damaged immensely by acts of molestation committed by pedophiles, or worse, which is what makes acts of Pedophilia illegal and very dangerous(Search up victims of rape to get an understanding) and not homosexuality(A bond/sex between two consenting adults).

Though not all/probably most Pedophiles are not child molesters, there still has to be a precaution to deter would-be child molestors. That is why acts of Pedopihlia is illegal(Non-consenting sex between and adult and child), and homosexuality is not in a growing # of places(Consenting sex between two adults)

PS: If anyone reading this feels that they may have pedophilic urges or be a pedophile, then I advise you to seek a therapist to sort everything out, as well as learn about restraint and empathy.

I don't think anyone here is trying to defend pedophilia. The common thread seems to be rejecting it as an excuse to give the government a blank check to monitor citizens. We've seen what the government does with blank checks, and it never ends well.

As My Name Was Taken said, yeah, no one said that, throwing around bullshit accusations and insinuating things doesn't go down well here :P I call bullshit on the children being simple minded thing and this is something that pisses me off. Children are far cleverer than adults ever give them credit for 13 and up they DEFINITELY know about sex or at least beginning to learn it, they learn about swearing, war, violence and all that other shit that humans go through.

To call them simple minded, is naive and arrogant and I often think that people who make these claims barely ever talk to their own children or have talked to children in their lives, part of what happens if they're surrounding by adults who are particularly arrogant and patronising dicks is they keep to themselves to stay out of trouble and it's only until they're out of the house and adults that their parents/family discover just what they've been up to while they've been quiet all that time.

I also think children 13 and over should have the vote because politicians deliberately take advantage of the fact they can't vote to screw them over and you see the evidence in how our economy is run on debt, what better way to get re-elected than by screwing over a generation of people who can't vote yet in order to save a generation that can?

You're an idiot. Go learn development in pre-adulthood please. Children are simply more open minded, given that they don't have to particularly conform to society's views of how one should act(once in adulthood), which would spur creativity..Also, I'm talking about Pedophilia, which is an attraction to children aged 13 and under. I have no idea why you're argueing about those 13 and above(That's hebephliia).

EDIT: P.S, the last paragraph of yours makes absolutely no sense. If you're reffering to America's "make money out of debt" system, then what the hell does that have to do with 13+ year olds voting.

Bitcoin Magazine was clearly defending Pedohplic acts, "i think it's the new gay personally.  love is love. "

pretty ironic since we barely approve gay marriage, and that was a huge eye sore for awhile.

Go talk to children, oh wait, you aren't capable of it.

But I can see you're very capable of it aren't you...

Go read up on how the brain develops during childhood, maybe that'll change your skewed way of thinking.

If you're trying to claim that there's something wrong with being open minded then you're a very sad and arrogant individual.

It's funny how your first post consisted of entirely incorrect "information". Then you respond I should try talking to children more, then I reference for you to read up on how Children develop. Then you go back...and post a point that I already addressed here in the bolded:


I'm convinced, you're a complete idiot. I obviously never said being open minded was wrong, just that children tend to be moreso than adults because adults usually confine themselves to society's expectation and views on how they should act, thereby "repressing" their creativity. To compare the average child's capacity to learn and stay focused to an adult's is idiotic. The average 13 year old and below learns slower than the average adult and can't focus as long as the average adult either(That's why classes are 40minutes each in the American school system, to reflect on the average child's attention span)

And I was referring to this little comment you made before which makes me think you're completely full of shit, modern society does everything it can to screw over children and turn them into people like you who foam at the mouth over being questioned on something.

That's funny, because you mentioned 13 year olds should have the right to vote because, " politicians deliberately take advantage of the fact they can't vote to screw them over and you see the evidence in how our economy is run on debt, what better way to get re-elected than by screwing over a generation of people who can't vote yet in order to save a generation that can?"

And I'm still laughing..

Yeah yeah, you're just spamming now and aren't even being coherent.

Classic thing people say when they're wrong.

This whole arugment spurred of my text about Pedophilia, and how acts of Pedophilia are wrong because  most children are not mature enough to make thoughtful, educated, decisions on their own(If they were, then they'd all be financially wealthy and not dependant on anyone and more). Face it, a 13 year old's brain is still early in devleopmental phase, and your argument that we should treat them as adults is wrong on every level.

It seems you're trying to justify your own beliefs that children and adults can go together(Are you a pedophile? If so please seek therapy especially dealing with empathy and restraint when it comes to minors). But, you're wrong.

Look at cases of child molestation and the affect it has on the children and their loved ones. A child and an adult are on two different levels emotionally, physically, and mentally. Stop trying to compare them, and please seek treatement for yourself.

There are many children much more intelligent than adults.

http://youtu.be/k73q9KiKyIc?t=1m27s

There are even children that lecture adults: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDAP1OQ9Zw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tbo5Y-8sTQ


The only thing limiting some children from dominating adults in the workplace is the fact that it's illegal for them to work or gain work experience.

basing maturity on maturity is rational. Basing maturity on age, race, gender, religion etc, is biased. So you don't realize it, but your statements are incorrect and ageist.

If you wanted to take away people's rights based on maturity it would have to apply to everyone based on maturity not age, but your maturity regulation ideas are against the constitution anyway. In fact the constitution is what's promoting the fight against ageism bigotry in the US today.

The idea that sex is somehow negative, or that somehow sex is unhealthy for individuals younger or older than their sexual prime is an irrational cultural taboo. 13 isn't too young for sex. Even the legal system allows minors to have sex, get pregnant and avoid STDs. It's only illegal for minors to have sex with people over 18.

These ageist policies are created because females 18+ dominate the vote. As a result social policy favors females 18+ and does not favor females -18 and males in general. To be more exact, the exacerbated age of consent laws in modern society are a direct result of liberal feminist.
src: http://egomoral.com/feminism-and-age-of-consent-laws-in-modern-culture/

What is the solution to ageism? Simple... let parents 'caretakers' be responsible for their childrens'dependants' actions and freedoms. Caretakers are able to individually asses their dependents. If the government'tax payers' insist on taking care of other people's children, let them pay them, and claim responsibility for them as well.

It's important for society to have rational policies so that more efficient societies don't pass them up economically.

I've realized that some of you are indeed Pedophiles. While it's not "wrong" to be one since we're led to believe it's similar to homosexuality in ways(being innate), but to act out on your impulses and thoughts are very wrong.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1868392/

Children are gullible, easy to be taken advantage of, fragile,not physically and mentally mature, and 100+ more. Adults, usually child molestors take advantage of those children. Did you know that the human brain doesn't stop developing until around the age of 25? Yea, 25.

Someone at the age of 13, nevertheless someone younger than 13, isn't nearly as developed as even a 20 year old is, both physically and mentally. The law stands that adults can not engage in sexual acts with minors because of the reasons I listed above(children being gullible and easy to take advantage of, physically weaker/undeveloped etc).

By the way, pedophilia is classified as a main attraction, sexually, romantically, and emotionally, to children age 13 and below. I am not talking about children aged 13 and above, that's hebephilia and the two are quite different.

Wrong and right are religious terms not scientific ones. Equal rights doesn't stems from homosexuality, but rather the constitution.

So you want to take people's rights away, because they aren't as intelligent?... Age isn't the only factor of 'intelligence'.

Race is a factor also: http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/hsts_2009/race_gpa.aspx

Gender is a factor also: http://www.columbiamissourian.com/m/32146/graph-mean-sat-math-scores/

Left to your principals, male Asians should have rights and white males, hispanic males, black males and all females should lose their rights.

Generalizing based on age, race, religion, gender isn't accurate because there are always exceptions. Anything else it called bigotry. Individuality must be respected in any society that promotes equal rights.

Besides the fact that your statements are irrationally bigitous. It's healthy for children to be sexual regardless of their intellect. Your idea that children shouldn't use their sex organs until their sexual prime doesn't make sense. Do you also think that children shouldn't use their brains, legs or eyes, until their physical prime too? What about after ones prime? Do you think that woman should stop being sexual after menopause?

If adults inherently take advantage of children, then it should be illegal for adults to engage in any activity with children, not just sex. Double stand exposed.

If children are required to consent, it should apply to any activity not just sex. Double standard exposed.

If children have the right to consent, but are denied it by law based on age, this is a violation of equal rights according the constitution's fourteenth amendment.

The information age is liberating minors and destroying agiesm in modern society. Playing the pedophile card won't help you promote ageism. Pedophilia is already legal.

It's actually not that simple. The legal definition of pedophilia overlaps with infantophilia and hebphilia. Intantophilia is not pedophilia. Hebephilia is not pedophilia. Hebephilia is the attraction to pubescent individuals, and this can be as young 10, sometimes even younger. The legal definition of pedophilia is breaking the rules to a large extent which is another source a controversy in the scientific community. The A.P.A. defines the legal definition of pedophilia and it is probably colluding with forces within the legal system.

What's even more strange is that the vast majority of 'pedophilic' cases are predominantly heterosexual hebephilia. It's strange that the A.P.A. insists on grouping heterosexual hebephilia with rare unrelated cases of homosexuality, infantophilia and genuine pedophilia.  Then again, Christians want to define homosexuality with bestiality.

Whatever the cause, politics in modern society is creating contradicting science when it comes to human sexuality.

I suspect is has to do with female voters.

Again, you're wrong. Wrong and Right are instinctual, based upon our need to procreate. That's why hurting someone else is wrong. Learn evolution/science please.

Race and Gender, cannot be compared to age. Someone at the age of 5 is still extremely early in development, and is of no choice of their own that they can't comprehend certain things. Race and Gender "intelligence" is affected because of society, not the individual's lack of knowledge or ability to understand. AKA: Race/Gender is cultural, age is not, and thus they cannot be compared.PS: In case you didn't already know, Gender is a social construct, the correct term used to differentiate natural born males from natural born females is sex.

There is no double standard. I'm not talking about adults taking advantage of children in day to day activities. I'm talking about sexual encounters and relationships between adults and children. In most societies today, sex is still regarded as a personal, intimate, thing that should be shared between two(consenting) people. You should read up on cases involving Adult and Children relationships, it's many times the case that men go after children to secure their need for dominance along with their own sexual pleasure, both of which can, and has been, devastating, for the child involved.

Again, there is no double standard, sex is plethora of emotions. It can be beautiful, as well as a horrible experience(in cases of unwanted sex; rape, molestation). Sex cannot be compared to say, swimming, since it's regarded culturally(in most cultures) as an intimate experience between two(or more) people. Ever wondered why sex was always held in such high regard throughout the ages in different religions, regions, and societies, or why we evolved to be in monogamous relationships?(further exemplifying the intimacy between individuals in sex). Please research that.

Are you unable to comprehend the concept that children are not as physically, mentally, and emotionally mature as adults? What don't you understand? You've just been comparing apples and oranges.

Everything you've said trying to justify intimate encounters between adults and children(age of 13 and below), has been wrong. You've literally made no sense throughout this entire exchange of text. Stop trying to justify something that can't be justified.

You know what, at this point in time paedophile may be a legitimate excuse for privacy
Since it gets thrown so often as one of the fear words because their is nothing else they can do but throw FUD and see if it sticks.

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Good comment here

Oh yeah because before there were iPhone's we didn't have kidnappers and terrorists. I want my privacy. I have nothing to hide but I shouldn't have to defend my right to privacy either.
Attaching emotion is an often-used technique to help convince people to willingly give up their rights.

Looking above the words couldn't be more true  ;)

In before we get into a Bitcoin discussion about Psuedo Anonyminity  ;D

Interesting fact - up until a few years ago, sex with a 14 year old was legal in Canada.  They recently raised the age to 16.

I wonder if society will start saying 18 then 20 then 25
As our lifespans grow longer
Inflation in a sense.

The ancients used 12-15 as their baseline for marriage and sex

We already have 22 as the HS in Algeria and China for Male Consent for Marriage interestingly enough so I think society will probally keep 18 as the main value unless we get some weird arguements to keep raising that age up as well.
(Like we have overpopulation so no sex till your older, I guess the reverse could work as well if there was a World War and a giant population loss thinking about it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#History_and_social_attitudes

Either way as long as we don't get too far out in ages
Wouldn't want feminist arguement to make age of consent 27 extraprolating 100 years from now.

Well unless they introduced some reasonable close-in-age exceptions.
At 27 That rather be 10 years lol.
It can get smaller closer to 18

In June 2006, the Canadian government proposed a bill to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16 (in 1890 it was raised from 12 to 14), while creating a near-age exemption for sex between 14–15 year olds and partners up to 5 years older, and keeping an existing near-age clause for sex between 12–13 year olds and partners up to 2 years older. The initiative also maintains a temporary exception for already existing marriages of minors 14 and 15 years old to adults, but forbids new marriages like these in the future.[38] The law took effect 1 May 2008.

Either way it was not without its controversy fun stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform_in_Canada

Organizations

Canadian AIDS Society

The Canadian AIDS Society has stated that "increasing the age of consent could result in young people being more secretive about their sexual practices and not seeking out the information they need. This will place youth at an increased risk of contracting HIV and other sexually transmitted infections."

Canadian Federation for Sexual Health

This proposal has received criticism from different organizations and individuals. Andrea Cohen of the pro-choice Canadian Federation for Sexual Health (formerly International Planned Parenthood Federation) said the organization believes the legislation does nothing to keep youth from harm. She talked on CTV News Channel's "Mike Duffy Live" where she stated: "What it will do is infringe upon the rights of youth in terms of their ability to make decisions on their own sexuality". Later (in 2007) her organization issued an official position statement.

Child Welfare League of Canada

Peter Dudding, Executive Director of the Child Welfare League of Canada, criticized the bill's effect of removing judicial discretion in cases involving 14 and 15 year-olds: "When we deal with arbitrary cut-offs, we lose the flexibility to apply the law in a much more specific and individualized kind of way."

it's so frightening  :o
and this problem must act firmly.

2 month ago, i have paedophile's prob at my country

"The first trial hearing of four outsourced cleaners employed by PT Integrated Service Solutions (ISS) who are accused of sexually assaulting a kindergarten student at the Jakarta International School (JIS) commenced at the South Jakarta District Court on Wednesday."

hearing that news make me sad and must aware to protect our children !!

source (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/08/28/four-more-jis-janitors-stand-trial.html)

This.. they also classify fully devleoped, child bearing capable women as "children"..

If you can bear children you are not a child.


Even better is when we charge a 15yo boy for "pedophilia" for showing his friend the pic his 15yo GF just sent him and she recieves zero penalty for disributing "child" pornography..


If you are attracted to 6yo CHILDREN there is something seriously messed up with you..

If you are attrackted to 16 yo young ADULTS.. you are normal, but not according ot the media.  I find it utterly hilarious we all live this lie the amount of guys that say "Oh damn she is hot" followed by some chick saying "She is 15" and him respond "OOOH I WAS KIDDING!!!" it is just dumbfounding.

You are a "wizzard" super loser if you haven't had sex by the time you are 18... so according to the media you are a loser unless you have sex while you are a "child"...

We are so Fed up as a society when it comes to this it's pathetic the amount of devisation this causes to people is just to much.

Now one is talking about pure intelligence. Emotional maturity =/= intelligence. Cognitive development =/= intelligence. Intelligence is not an indication that a child is incapable of being taken advantage of.


C'mon. Really.


This is not universally true, it obviously varies by jurisdiction. The fact that it varies by jurisdiction evidences that the matter has been considered locally and decided to be appropriate. While your assertion that 18 is an arbitrary cutoff is correct, advancing the idea that because it's arbitrary the problem it's attempting to solve doesn't exist is incorrect.


Correlation, not causation. The source you provided makes assertions that it does to attempt to back up with any historical or verifiable facts. Further, it uses as examples customs of pre-modern civilization to lend credence to the idea that now we're doing sexual practices wrong. Because pre-modern civilizations got so, so many things right, that we should be looking to them for ideas on how we should organize the most complex and emotional part of our lives.  ::)


This is not dissimilar to how it works right now. The only thing you're advocating to change is that adults should be able to have sex with children if it's OK with their parents apparently.


What the HELL does age of consent laws have to do with economic viability?

Relative to this discussion.  This guy just doesn't get how child porn is made.   :-\

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/16/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/john-grisham-child-pornography/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

@marshalcare - you are a paedophile. You have joined this forum just to comment on this thread.

If you suffered abuse as a child yourself, please get some counselling. There are people that have suffered the same thing and have come out the other side.

In the meantime, do yourself and children a favour - and stay away from them.

wot will happen to rolf harris when he gets out?

People like you seriously need to fuck off, I really have no problem with someone having a disagreement but when you throw around serious accusations so casually it makes you look like a cunt, next we'll be seeing people who disagree with the death penalty being called potential murderers.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Tell you what - why don't we ask the man himself ? marshallchare1 - have you ever harboured desires of having sexual relations with a child ?

We can all wait now till he responds in shocked and affronted denial, explaining how his argument was purely academic and in the pursuit of truth and understanding  ;)


Do me a fuckin favour.

Nice, so because I call you out on your bullshit, I am also automatically a paedophile? Go fuck yourself, of course people are going to be affronted if you go trying to spread bullshit about them :) By the way, the way you keep accusing everyone of being a paedophile because they talk about it makes you look suspicious, maybe you're the paedophile?

for the sake of security, of course all of the people must be willing to privacy is compromised, but for it must have laws and rules and policies so that the authority made ​​still have clear rules, so it is not too far in the rules run the FBI as an institution exercising authority such, must refer to the law in order to avoid overlapping the responsibility ...  8)