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I have been involved in several closed door meetings with the CCN team and for this reason I've made a throwaway account as my real account can be linked back to my real world details.

Firstly I would like to state that the original intention of the CCN team was too support all the MMJ coins via way of payment solutions. This was great and I felt that the team had a purpose worth pursuing. The trouble came late last week when the CCN dev team reached out to the CANN dev team and asked them if they wanted to partner up for the good of the industry. The CANN dev's for whatever reason rejected this propsal which angered the CCN dev team.

The focus of the discussion then violently changed from "How can we improve our own coin" to "How can we tarnish the reputation of cann". Many idea's were thrown around but eventually the team settled on spending BTC to hire a PR firm to run what was essentially a smear campaign against CANN. It was a well known fact that the price of CANN would plummet on the 20th (that's just how the altcoin markets work and nothing nefarious was done to lead upto the inital dump) knowing this the CCN team figured that the 20th was the best day for the PR firm to make their move.

The PR firm in question specializes in blockchain technology and upon analysing blockchains they find whatever fault they can and capitalize on it via way of organized FUD. The PR firm are the ones who found out about the so called "Hidden Premine" and then passed that info along to the CCN team who themselves have put extradionary effort into ruining the reputation of CANN.

I cannot support this type of behaviour and it should be known that the CCN team spent money ruining the reputation of CANN. That money could have been well spent furthering software development for CannaCoin.

At this point I wouldn't trust either coin for any serious investment.

CANN is avoiding answering the following concerns of pre-mine here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597294.msg9273909#msg9273909

Be transparent about the pre-mine of the 21.8 million and all these wallets holding 500k coins.

Address the concerns of your investors who are anxiously awaiting your response.

. this big event of 100 free rolls is a joke. 1 gram per coin forever would help the price long term

The cann dev has said he will look into the premine and explain everything. I believe him

How hard is it to for CANN to fess up to stuff ?

They are now claiming they've been banned for 10 /15 days by BTCtalk for two of their accounts hence the reason for not speaking up.

They are packing up things...These"meetings" they are in are for how they jet off the bermuda w/  all these people they duped.

Anyone who sets out to tarnish or destroy the reputation of another is an oxygen thief.

These types of people do nothing but drag society farther into the cess pool of which man kind has become.

Parasites should be dealt with accordingly.

cute.

So many newbies running amuck....

[21:15] <@DeltaNineDev> I will continue to due my findings of these 25 wallets in question: We are giving the person whos coins these are 2 weeks to claim them before we invalidate the addresses so they cannot be spent on the CANN network.
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> do not due
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[21:16] <amnesiac_> If they are invalidated what is the total coin supply then?
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> 12.5m in those wallets
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> those will be invalidated in the source
[21:16] <Zoggy32> DeltaNineDev, I have a question. How are you able to invalidate coins on the network without the private keys? I assume this will require a new wallet
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> yes

so another scam coin or pure FUD?!

https://i.imgur.com/tzgBYkp.jpg

http://coinhr.com/single_vacancy/?vid=12
http://vanbex.com/

Just a guess, but this Vanbex group sounds totally sketchy.

Does anyone else find this hilarious?  Spent money...to read the blockchain ;D Also, might want to count those 25 addresses again.  CannabisCoin should go down as the most botched pre-mine accounting job ever.

https://i.imgur.com/F0DyPiw.png

Delta9 stated the wallets have 2 weeks before they are invalidated. Why are we still talking about it?

All of the coins should be accounted for before there's any destroying.

What about the other questionable 8 million coins?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829975.0

be careful fellow stoners, this shit is getting ugly.

irc chat happening..
in regards to 25+ x 500k wallets from premine

<@DeltaNineDev>
heres the deal guys
good news
So, the 25 wallets were made after the results came in as to what is "CLAIMED"
They were made to store UNCLAIMED funds
Everything else was paid out
We may have a backup on a server
If that is the case we could have the key and destroy without having to block
no forking
I have to pull the archive since it is not on a network

sounds like typical bullshit people come up with when they are caught to me.

lol are you suggesting that the plan D9 had was to move premine funds into 25+ addresses each on the rich list and each with the same balance. He was then apparently going to use those funds to dump and run even though they went untouched when CANN was at its ath?

Also am I to assume that the claims made by the OP are correct? The cannapay dev has posted in this thread and haven't denied the claims? Pretty telling about who the real scammers are.

https://i.imgur.com/ReOooLw.jpg

FUD team. You could have handled bringing up this situation in a more professional matter.

Now, on with the vision of CANN.

All you need to know right here.

Run as far away from these scumbags and CCN as you can get.

Note how a member of the CCN team not only doesn't deny the allegations, but continues to FUD in this very thread.

  The whole fact that CCN has put in this much effort to FUD and try to find any reason to talk down CANN is pure comedy..Well done Delta9 and CANN team your obviously a big thorn in some ones side :)
  When people need to focus on shitting on CANN and not worrying about their own shitcoin... Priceless  ;D ;D ;D

Note how convienent it is for this guy to post no proof and use a throw away account instead of his own. Too convenient. Regardless that premine number is alarming.

And yea were supposed to believe that a crypto dev team paid a group to read the blockchain... cmon it would take one team member 2 minutes... they dont need to hire fud.

Dude, you can read a blockchain and perform auditing and reverse tracking of addresses!
You should totally open up a competing PR firm and approach CANN!

CCN is just a bunch of kids what can't do more then FUD.
The only survivor is CANN. CANN is back on track, survived the brainless fuds and is moving forward.
CCN destroyed themself by acting like a bunch of brainless kids.

The 14+ Mill unclaimed coins have been destroyed.
http://cannabiscoinnews.tumblr.com/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CGTta3M4t3yXu8uRgkKvaWd2d8DQvDPnpL.htm
http://earlz.net/view/2014/10/22/0340/provably-spendable-altcoin-burn-addresses
D9 destroying the 14+ million CANN video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xORbdGwm4&feature=youtu.be

Thanks to CCN, the value of CANN is growing, CANN devs are gaining more respect and honor, and the community is growing stronger. Cheers to that PR firm, I sincerely thank you!  :D

You all must be full of the high to think cann was anything but the smoke and scam.  :-\

I think it's funny that not only do you believe this means the CANN dev gains more respect and honor for essentially lying about a significant percentage of coins, but that CCN would need to pay for a PR firm to uncover basic information about the CANN blockchain.

https://i.imgur.com/WhCnbze.jpg

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Even if the CANN dev was hiding something about the premine, the behavior of CCN is not much better, be it fudding CANN under sock accounts, tokypotato pretending to be friendly to the team one day while the next making passive aggressive comments about how CANN won't work or raising stupid issues like the use of the letter C in the wallet address, etc. and then they take CANN off Cannapay yet go and add that scamcoin Sativa to it, they are hardly white knights.

Also the fact the premine wasn't dumped at CANNs ATH tells me DeltaNine is in it for the long haul and isn't as nefarious as people make him out to be.

At the end of the day too the guy spent a huge amount of his own money on a damn marijuana grow farm, name any other dev on BTC Talk who would commit such a thing to their project?

So let me get this straight.  The fact that one of the CCN devs posts questions about the blockchain is just as bad as knowingly hiding a pre-mine for several months and lying about it? 

The fact the premine wasn't dumped at the ATH is totally meaningless.  If a bank robber hides stolen money and doesn't spend it, does that somehow make them less of a criminal? 

Im gonna buy more CANN. You failed  :P :D

Best case scenario, the CANN devs are massively incompetent.
Worst case (and more likely) scenario, the CANN devs are dishonest, thieving scumbags.

Either way, CANN devs have lost most of their credibility. The only ones that still have faith in them are bagholders like you, people who are so invested they have no choice but to turn a blind eye to this.

Newbie with 2 posts, clearly not a fake account at all from the CCN clowns trying to tarnish CANN's impeccable reputation since they DELIVER ON PROMISES unlike pretty much most if not all other coins. Go do something productive instead of hating you ass-hat male-butt munching noob.

How much would the premine be worth right now?

Aprox ~550BTC or roughly ~200,000$ as of today 10/24/14. At this rate, his salary would be ~$33,333 a month, ~$8,333 a week and ~$1190 a day.

At its peak (nearly .00015000BTC) it was worth ~3,150BTC or roughly ~$1,112,550 no the date 10/19/14. At the rate on this day his salary was valued at ~$93,712 Monthly, ~$23,428 a week and ~$3,346 a day.

Yes, only people who are associated with CNN find the behaviour of CANN dev despicable. Everybody else think there is nothing wrong with a dev hiding between 12 to 18 plus million coins. Everybody else think its okay for the CANN dev to pretend not to know about the addresses, only to suddenly remember he had the private key in an old server. Everybody else think its honest that the CANN dev still hasn't burnt all the stash discovered.

But I'm sure low intelligence homophobe like you know better.

some historical reading pleasure about our trusted-neighborhood watchdogs at the helm of CCN:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360  


Touted CCN as having the backing of 1000s of medical marijuana-based community members in the Northwest when that couldn't have been farther from the truth.  It's just two guys selling out their user-base of an outdated UBB bulletin-board system.  They did it then, they're doing it now.

When they got called out for selling out their own NWGT community members, they banned those members and breached the trust of many.



These guys just don't know when to quit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829975.msg9320522#msg9320522


I'm surprised CCN still has vocal supporters of Tokyopotato's spamming .

I support CCN's projects -- I think they have real potential, but none of what they've been doing on these forums the past few days is what CCN is all about.

It's a shame CCN will forever be tarnished, because of this FUCKING TWAT tokyopotato and his well-oiled spammaganda machine.

I once thought highly of these guys, and I have never done such a drastic 180 on a person's character.  

I may not have lost money with CCN, but I feel more scammed, more duped, more betrayed from their actions than from those who hyped up GUE and GLYPH, then took off without a trace!

Hi, I'm the founder of the PR firm referenced (vanbex.com) and we weren't hired by anyone to do a smear campaign against Cannacoin.
Regarding, "The PR firm in question specializes in blockchain technology and upon analysing blockchains they find whatever fault they can and capitalize on it via way of organized FUD." Thats not correct. We actually try to answer to the fud and sometimes we agree with it, so we work with the company to fix it.

TBH I had no idea about Cannacoin before seeing this thread and not sure what the situation is with this coin. Please forgive my ignorance of the situation.

Lastly - we would be happy to promote any project that fits within our scope and meets the minimum requirements, including cannacoin. We don't operate in any negative way in the space, we only try to further the understanding and success of our projects.

Huh thx for posting, everybody should know what kind of people run CCN and their "transparency" operation.

before the topic is removed from their subreddit - a concerned "investor" / "baholder" / CCN or whatever you want to call me, calling out those at the top of CCN in an exchange with Hybridsole -- apparently Tokyopotato and James' #1 cheerleader:


http://www.reddit.com/r/cannacoin/comments/2k5r2i/some_thoughts_on_cannacoin_right_now/

the post that's haunting the CCN ANN thread - I'm having a little fun -- following the examples set forth by CCN's self-appointed "Leaders in the industry":

Thank you for confirming that you were in fact not hired.  Quite frankly, if someone makes accusations they should provide hard evidence not shill accounts with fantastical stories.

I did not endorse Jamesonotc or Tokyopotato to do a blockchain analysis nor did I have any control to stop them from acting as individual crypto investors.

What happened with the CANN premine is a tragedy of epic proportions as it could have been handled much more professionally and through transparent accounting from the beginning by the developer.  There is an inherent danger when investing in premined blockchains or ICOs that simply does not exist with pure 0% premine blockchains.  This is why Cannacoin (CCN) has a 0% premine and a completely intact and transparent blockchain since day 1.

All cool and shit, but did you try to contact them when they were active in the CANN thread? You contacted me when I was posting in the ccn thread and was threatening with a poor attempt to stop me supporting the truth ( yep can share that) I am willing to crash CCN with help of others(or alone) when this answer is wrong

if anyone has questions please feel free to contact vanbex at pr@vanbex.com

Now truth out about how they operate fake pump and scam

That's the most fucked up thing I have ever read! There's actually a company to hires FUDsters! OMG. Big clients on their website vanbex.com (http://vanbex.com)

vanbex scammers took down both coins CANN & CCN

Just found this on a quick word search of our name, we've never had anything to do with CANN OR CCN and have no idea what you're even talking about.