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This thread will serve as repository for showing how casinos are cheating you. I will be putting my skills to use to investigate casinos that are suspected of cheating. Many people here don't know me, but I consider myself an exploit specialist: http://exploitspecialist.com  I'm not a tech guy, just someone who is a beast when it comes to testing and coming up with unique ideas and methods.

OUR FIRST CONTESTANT: DREAMLAND CASINO

Here it is: http://vimeo.com/110040994   Password to watch: dreamland.  It's 21 minutes in length because I didn't want to edit anything down and have an issue with someone accusing me of setting it up to make it look like its rigged. As such, there is some wasted time in the video and me mumbling on, lol. But I wanted to be as transparent as I could with this and not have any edits while I was going through the motions.

I already knew about their cheating before today via my previous testing on their site. I noticed they just launched some BTC giveaway to lure players in. Well, it's time to give you an example of who they really are. Even when the player has the advantage (which will be shown via my game manipulation video), you cannot overcome the house when they cheat. So how can a regular player beat the house? They can't!  Stay tuned later today and I will have a video linked here with my analysis of what's going on.

Looking forward to reading or seeing more about this, I myself is currently testing casinos as well to leave a review on my community for the members.

do not cheat casino games like dice   :-[
Be clear games such as binary option  :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554

Does marketing not work for http://exploitspecialist.com/
And all you could do is blame other websites to promote your own business? That is a cheap strategy ...

We already know how casinos are cheating: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

We do not need your "beast" marketing skills to promote your own business.

LOL, if you think the community knows everything there is, I won't bother then. But if that was the case, why would people be playing on these casinos in the first place? Just trying to show another side to it. But clearly you know more than I, so you take the lead and show them what I was gonna show.

I dont know why others are playing on these casinos, but I will tell you why I play casino games.

I dont play casino games to get rich. The biggest amount that I won was 8000$ with an 18$ bet, in a casino that was not very popular and that now closed and had no online reviews, a few years ago. I was one of the first players at that casino.
I play casino games for fun. When I discover a new casino that looks professional and it is functional and has a support team behind AND NEW GAMES, I am on it. I spend some money on playing new games, because if there is no risk, there is no fun. Haha.
When you add the thrill of the win to all this, it gives an unique feeling. But after a while, I get bored of the games, because not all of them are nice, so I look for new games.

Dreamland has nice games, so I don't know if they are cheating or not, but they satisfy my needs, because I also won some money, which I invested back and lost them all. In my opinion, they do not cheat, because they allowed me to withdraw my profit, even if I was fool enough to deposit back and lose all.

For me that is the casino gaming. If I am lucky to also make money, then I save some for my personal needs, and the remaining I spend at other casinos, to get more fun.

Oh and btw, unless a server is monitored 24/7 by a licensing authority, it can always cheat by manipulating its hardware RNG or by reshuffling the game odds "infinite times" or by manipulating the outcome
It would mean to waste weeks of my life and pull a lot of strings to prove to you how AND IF popular casinos (that I dont want to name) are able to cheat. And what would I gain from that? Nothing.
I don't say that someone is cheating, or that everybody is cheating, or that nobody is cheating. All I say is that it is almost impossible to say who is cheating and who is not.

The biggest problem that I experienced was with a casino this year, when I made a deposit, and after I made a profit of 1 BTC, nobody ever replied for my withdrawal. The casino closed itself, after being open maximum 1 month.

So with dreamland, I like their games, I am happy that I won, I am happy managed to withdraw my money, even if I ended in depositing back and losing all of them. That's life. A series of random events, some are positive and some are negative.

yaps right, my suspicions after I play a game of heads and tails.
this is really weird, I was playing with 2 coin. a few examples:
I select the head and tails and try as much as 3x, which came out head to head 3, and then I change the head head 3x, and 3x outgoing head tails. and until the balance runs out of my head as much as 5x and select outgoing tails all :)

I went to sign up for dreamcasino for the promotion, registration included address, phone number, and more. Definitely not worth the 3.50$ worth of bitcoin.

To give you boys some on-topic material, let's focus our attention on a casino that really pissed me off tonight.
A cheat in the face: https://tetraplay.com/blackjack-surrender-3d-game/

I saw my cards being dealt and they arrived in my hand as being K+ACE. Then 0.5 seconds after, the ACE turned into a KING.
Now that is what I call being cheated in the face.

Also, the next hand, the dealer had a BLACKJACK using a 9(nine): http://i57.tinypic.com/1hqm52.jpg
PS: look at my cards ... I may be tired, but even so, 3+5+Q+10 is not equal to 18.

I see the same thing with every hand I play, however this just seems like a display issue on the interface. Looks like their play version isn't coded properly.

If you limit your play to provably fair casinos then you will know, and be able to prove, when they are cheating you.

Publish your proof to their thread here - job done!

You don't need to be a "beast" (whatever that means) to do this, either.

Thank you for trying the game.
We have been testing again the newly introduced Balck Jack Surrender and the display issue seems due to browser compatibility.
The Game Hash is working good and the results were correct.
We are removing the following Blackjack Surrender game for the time being, thank you for pointing out this technical issue and we will keep you posted when it will be fix.
If some participant want to help us try this game and fix this bug, please contact us and we will give you private access this the game  :)

The following 2 Hash Table Games are still available
Baccarat 3D https://tetraplay.com/baccarat-3d-game/?funMode=true (https://tetraplay.com/baccarat-3d-game/?funMode=true)
Blackjack 3D https://tetraplay.com/blackjack-3d-game/?funMode=true (https://tetraplay.com/blackjack-3d-game/?funMode=true)
Any test and feedback is welcome

Plenty of methods used by casinos to cheat, can be found here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Not really.

People keep dragging that post out, but none of the criticisms of provable fairness apply to many of today's games.

See Larry's response (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/cadast6) for how the criticisms don't really even apply to Bitzino, and modern provably fair systems are even safer than that.

Of course, the player needs to put in a little effort to verify that the casino is playing fair. You can't expect a corrupt casino to alert you to the fact that they're corrupt.

Getting the video made now. Will be posted within an hour or two.

Put all casinos without provably fair systems on the table.

You can never proof they are cheating because probability is mad science, but why would not if no one could verify?

oh c'mon just type wrong infos and its done.

Look forward to it

I don't know if they are cheating or not, but I made a post about their casino and terms, etc.. here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834115.msg9322073#msg9322073

Lots of stuff in there that no BTC user should have to put up with.

Alright guys, here it is: http://vimeo.com/110040994   Password to watch it is: dreamland.  Video quality is a little weak but you get the idea. It's 21 minutes in length because I didn't want to edit anything down and have an issue with someone accusing me of setting it up to make it look like its rigged. As such, there is some wasted time in the video and me mumbling on, lol. But I wanted to be as transparent as I could with this and not have any edits while I was going through the motions.

please add fairproof to the list.

the site does not allow you to withdraw!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287653.msg9137275#msg9137275

try it yourself if you want to.

tldr: a non-provably fair bitcoin casino turns out to be cheating

Not really much of a surprise.

We've seen this before with other casinos which chose not to prove that they are fair.

You have to ask yourself why they aren't proving their fairness if they aren't cheating.

very good idea and very much appreciated. I hope that other experts will add some additional findings here. I am not an expert :(

You have no logic in what you are doing.
All I see is that you reshuffle the deck until the first card a very small one. Card 3.I don't see any proof of cheating, sorry.

Then you click on the second card. The chances for you to pick a second card smaller than 3, exist, so there's nothing wrong there either.

I also see some failed server connections, and an useless access to random.org .

Good idea, will check back for sure to see getting some people exposed=P

nice work. plz keep it up. and to anyone posting that he sees no proof in it thank u for giving me a proof that u belong or get paisd by them

I dont think these casinos cheat. They basically make money on emotion. People don't know when to quit.

I bet you don't understand a single action from that video.

+1 ... that's how all casinos make money ... they rely on the player's addiction(emotion).

This topic is hot enough though. Oh guys, please try it yourself in my opinion. I have successfully withdraw there. And what great is when i face an error in my connection they do really pay back my last bet. Just a little review. If you cant afford to lose. Please dont play casino man.

then plz explain it to me. i see him exploting the site with success so that he can choose which rounds to play. this gives him the poss to wait unless he gots the highest chances of winning.

he did this several times and looses allways by getting a 2 against the 3

i see this as a proof, but if im wrong im willing to learn

From what you say it looks that the player "cheated" first.
Maybe that is an anti-cheat system? Since the player "cheated" by trying to exploit which rounds to play, maybe the system detected that and "paid him back with a losing hand"? LOL.

I am not sure if it works like that. I'm just saying, because I didn't test.

Lol.

Good luck Mr "beast"

If anyone could confirm this as a working exploit on this site it may be seen as a proof. i dont have the tool hes using, look like a proxy. So i cant judge if this is a working exp

really glad that you will do this for free :)

i'll check this thread :D

All sites that are scams ???

add http://asapclick.com/ and fairproof.com .

you are welcome to try it out!

Some people think the results I showed were just "random events," lol.

please dont let the bullsh*tters confuse you. just go on and on ...................

it is certainly a bug and there might be some manipulation.

Good job Man
scam's casino get out!

Man it is for sure a bug. Stop putting false accusations.

2 Users posted on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834542.0
had an issue on the site where they were not paid out, so that definitely gets fingers pointed at. But, yeah I don't see the point of  this. Cheaters gonna Cheat.

can you proof it?

Stop posting for upping your post count.

You are the one doing this ... posting offtopic answers just to increase your post count which is barely 15.

Can you learn to type before going into more complex issues such as the validity of this casino?
I don't get it how someone that doesn't know the verb of "proof" talks about "provably" fair and about cheating.

even you are right ........you are giving just stupid answers.............you are off topic and always trying defend this scam casino.......

If I try to defend this casino, I cannot be offtopic, because the topic is about the casino. There goes your logic.

The problem is that saying that a casino is a scam, is not something that any kid that didn't finish high school can say.
You need to have some mathematical understanding and a brain, in order to understand what provably fair means and what cheating is.

Since you don't know to spell the verb of "proof", then it means that you don't even know what the term "provably" means (since the verb of "proof" is "to prove" and "provably" derives from "to prove").
It's like asking the maid to solve a college maths problem. She will try, but the chances for her to do it correctly are ~0.000001%
So any post that you would write,would cause other readers to become misguided.

I am not offending or defending anybody, but you started to claim that this casino is a cheat and none of you is able to bring any proof to shut everybody else's mouth.
There were people that said that they won and made a withdrawal.

This is not a topic where anybody that has a keyboard should post, to increase their post count.
I am requesting valid proof, which doesn't exist. What I saw so far are bugs. Show us something to shut everybody's mouth if you want to prove something.

you are a smart*ss easy as that  ;D

What are the top scamming casino that you know?

So its true. Dreamlandcasino is a scam? Do you think somebody "reputable" is behind this scams?

keep digging beast i got your back !

i really am eating popcorn for this too no joke !

and dooglus so what.. this is not a debate about provably fair.
it's about saying which warns are not.. why bother the other guy said ?
classy cliche'd crypto response lol
ya why warn people ? duh uuuuuh i dunno lol

this is the forum section called..
Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling >

he is talking about it.. that is what forums are for.
don't like it ? read another topic maybe ?

If you are having loads of bugs, obviously it can't let you stand out of public.. That's the Aura you created around your brand.. What can you do? :)