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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: Kontridder on November 06, 2014, 06:12:56 PM



Title: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Kontridder on November 06, 2014, 06:12:56 PM
Bitcoin will be over the news all over the world due the silk road bust.
History will repeats itself.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: elux on November 06, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
We're going to see a new all time high for Bitcoin. On google trends. :P


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: podyx on November 06, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
Wouldn't that be a bearish thing though?


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Capt Drake on November 06, 2014, 06:32:19 PM
I'm too lazy to make a reply so I'll just say this;


 8)


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: wobber on November 06, 2014, 06:39:35 PM
Nothing will happen. Price will continue to degrade as usual.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: bronco on November 06, 2014, 11:58:32 PM
$370 by end if this year


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: inca on November 07, 2014, 12:01:23 AM
Nothing will happen. Price will continue to degrade as usual.

Wrong side the market eh?


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: fewcoins on November 07, 2014, 02:01:29 AM
and let the short squeezing begin!!! Who else is on board this rocket?!  8)


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: galdur on November 07, 2014, 02:10:27 AM
30 days change: +5.00%  high: 418 low: 317

It is looking pretty healthy at the moment
however long that lasts.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Chef Ramsay on November 07, 2014, 02:42:48 AM
I heard something about silk road on the radio today but no mention of bitcoin or cryptocurrencies. On the biggest sports talk station today, the producer blurted out something about paying for some prank w/ bitcoin cuz nobody could trace it to him, which I thought was a little off the wall.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Kontridder on November 07, 2014, 04:43:37 AM
and let the short squeezing begin!!! Who else is on board this rocket?!  8)

what is a squeeze ?


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on November 07, 2014, 04:45:20 AM
and let the short squeezing begin!!! Who else is on board this rocket?!  8)

what is a squeeze ?

Say you were short on margin and your forced liquidation price was at $349.8 on BFX. You would be liquidated (short squeeze(ed) ) This also works in the other direction.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Kontridder on November 07, 2014, 05:01:09 AM
and let the short squeezing begin!!! Who else is on board this rocket?!  8)

what is a squeeze ?

Say you were short on margin and your forced liquidation price was at $349.8 on BFX. You would be liquidated (short squeeze(ed) ) This also works in the other direction.

Whats a margin? (I don't get it srsly..)
plz use easy words


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: galdur on November 07, 2014, 05:12:30 AM
Short squeeze.

Being caught short.

A heavily short sold stock (or coin) moves sharply higher
forcing short sellers to cover their positions, in turn adding
to the upward pressure squeezing more and more short
sellers and so on.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: 1echo on November 07, 2014, 05:19:49 AM
lets get 400 back again


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: lyth0s on November 07, 2014, 05:20:27 AM
and let the short squeezing begin!!! Who else is on board this rocket?!  8)

what is a squeeze ?

Say you were short on margin and your forced liquidation price was at $349.8 on BFX. You would be liquidated (short squeeze(ed) ) This also works in the other direction.

Whats a margin? (I don't get it srsly..)
plz use easy words

To short something on a margin is to use other people's money to sell bitcoin. So you borrow bitcoin from someone at the current price (lets say $350) and you sell THEIR coin. Now when price drops lets say to $340 you buy the coin back and give that person their coin back and now you made $10.

A lot of people short on a margin. Margin means they borrowed that coin/money. So if they short bitcoin and then the price goes UP they will quickly be in debt...so before they go in debt the exchange FORCES that person to buy back that coin (now at a higher price since market went up) and the person that started the short now LOST money.

When people have shorts on a margin, and then someone makes the bitcoin price go up, that is called a squeeze.

I tried to simply this as much as I could, so its not a perfect explanation.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: galdur on November 07, 2014, 05:28:08 AM
Lending bitcoin has experienced explosive growth this year
as we know. And as we also know; borrowing bitcoin to dump
and buy back cheaper later has simultaneously been pretty
much a 100% sure thing.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: log2exp on November 07, 2014, 05:33:14 AM
There's no such thing as bad publicity.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Kontridder on November 07, 2014, 05:39:35 AM
sounds great , where can I borrow bitcoin?


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: galdur on November 07, 2014, 05:42:46 AM
sounds great , where can I borrow bitcoin?


It may be too late now.

But chances are actually excellent that people who have constantly
been whining about the sagging BTC price have at the same time
been busy lending BTC to shortsellers. Of course the borrowers didnīt
mention selling, it was probably all supposed to be for mining or
other such noble purposes.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Wilhelm on November 07, 2014, 07:12:55 AM
sounds great , where can I borrow bitcoin?


Trade on BTC-e using Metatrader. It will trade using margin like all trading programs.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: btcxyzzz on November 07, 2014, 09:24:19 AM
DNM busts means more coins in FBI possession and that is not good, for the price.

From a 100% bitcoin enthusiast, slowly I've fallen to bitcoin sceptic. There is one very good parallel I see. Why the fuck can't Linux still prevail over Windows and OSX, all these years? Several factors play role here and most important one is massive ignorance of people, then governments that do everything they can so people stay ignorant and putting every obstactle possible to stop or slow down free-minded projects like Bitcoin or Linux.

Fact is majority of people are still not spiritually prepared for big fundamental thing which is decentralization of everything. Technically, we're almost there, but ignorance is still killing it. Average Joe still needs beer, popcorns and Hollywood movies/TV/sports/Facebook, we're running low on geeks - they are already in.

Only thing that can help Bitcoin's price now is complete financial worlwide disaster, which would kick-off panic buys and everyone realising Bitcoin is better than gold or whatever asset they imagine. I don't even believe in "big" money anymore, cos' "big" money became big in the first place because of gigantic fiat economy fraud, therefore there is animosity of big money holders towards things that would set the world to be essentially free, I know they love profits but they would loose their elite status automatically by investing in crypto. From their point of view, that looks like dealing with enemies.

So, until financial meltdown happens, I think we will see decline in price. When it will happen? I don't know but they say world economy is coming to critical point in 2016, which coincides with blockchain reward halving....


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on November 07, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
This news was bullish for DRK, since his BTC were traced.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: BearWhaleLives on November 07, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
DNM busts means more coins in FBI possession and that is not good, for the price.

From a 100% bitcoin enthusiast, slowly I've fallen to bitcoin sceptic. There is one very good parallel I see. Why the fuck can't Linux still prevail over Windows and OSX, all these years? Several factors play role here and most important one is massive ignorance of people, then governments that do everything they can so people stay ignorant and putting every obstactle possible to stop or slow down free-minded projects like Bitcoin or Linux.

Fact is majority of people are still not spiritually prepared for big fundamental thing which is decentralization of everything. Technically, we're almost there, but ignorance is still killing it. Average Joe still needs beer, popcorns and Hollywood movies/TV/sports/Facebook, we're running low on geeks - they are already in.

Only thing that can help Bitcoin's price now is complete financial worlwide disaster, which would kick-off panic buys and everyone realising Bitcoin is better than gold or whatever asset they imagine. I don't even believe in "big" money anymore, cos' "big" money became big in the first place because of gigantic fiat economy fraud, therefore there is animosity of big money holders towards things that would set the world to be essentially free, I know they love profits but they would loose their elite status automatically by investing in crypto. From their point of view, that looks like dealing with enemies.

So, until financial meltdown happens, I think we will see decline in price. When it will happen? I don't know but they say world economy is coming to critical point in 2016, which coincides with blockchain reward halving....
Agreed.  Bitcoin has a lot of obstacles to overcome.  I am skeptical whether Bitcoin will reach 2016 at the moment


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: maker88 on November 07, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
DNM busts means more coins in FBI possession and that is not good, for the price.

From a 100% bitcoin enthusiast, slowly I've fallen to bitcoin sceptic. There is one very good parallel I see. Why the fuck can't Linux still prevail over Windows and OSX, all these years? Several factors play role here and most important one is massive ignorance of people, then governments that do everything they can so people stay ignorant and putting every obstactle possible to stop or slow down free-minded projects like Bitcoin or Linux.

Fact is majority of people are still not spiritually prepared for big fundamental thing which is decentralization of everything. Technically, we're almost there, but ignorance is still killing it. Average Joe still needs beer, popcorns and Hollywood movies/TV/sports/Facebook, we're running low on geeks - they are already in.

Only thing that can help Bitcoin's price now is complete financial worlwide disaster, which would kick-off panic buys and everyone realising Bitcoin is better than gold or whatever asset they imagine. I don't even believe in "big" money anymore, cos' "big" money became big in the first place because of gigantic fiat economy fraud, therefore there is animosity of big money holders towards things that would set the world to be essentially free, I know they love profits but they would loose their elite status automatically by investing in crypto. From their point of view, that looks like dealing with enemies.

So, until financial meltdown happens, I think we will see decline in price. When it will happen? I don't know but they say world economy is coming to critical point in 2016, which coincides with blockchain reward halving....

they cant get the coins


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: trader001 on November 07, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Bitcoin will be over the news all over the world due the silk road bust.
History will repeats itself.


Price went down 20% last time silk road is busted.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: erre on November 07, 2014, 03:54:40 PM
Bitcoin will be over the news all over the world due the silk road bust.
History will repeats itself.




Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: galdur on November 07, 2014, 04:01:59 PM
No financial meltdown in sight.

The deficit is way down as is unemployment. The stock market
is up, the dollar is at a five tear high. There hasnīt been a new
war scam to speak of for a decade. Whatīs not to like. Obammy
is a great prez after all. But now thereīs a threat of Bush 3 or
Clinton 2 with other warmongering nutbags in tow.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: spooderman on November 07, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Honey badger don't care.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: coinableS on November 07, 2014, 09:47:48 PM
Re: short squeezing...

 Is there anyway to tell that if current buys are in result of shorts closing their positions? Or is it all speculation?


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: biggus dickus on November 08, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
Bitcoin will be over the news all over the world due the silk road bust.
History will repeats itself.


Price went down 20% last time silk road is busted.

I think that was because the US government was debating whether to make bitcoin illegal or not after the silk road v1 bust. Shortly after the bust they decided not to make it illegal and the price soared. Things are different this time, all the US government is deciding on is whether to allow the Winklevoss twins ETF.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: BrewCrewFan on November 08, 2014, 01:07:58 AM
No financial meltdown in sight.

The deficit is way down as is unemployment. The stock market
is up, the dollar is at a five tear high. There hasnīt been a new
war scam to speak of for a decade. Whatīs not to like. Obammy
is a great prez after all. But now thereīs a threat of Bush 3 or
Clinton 2 with other warmongering nutbags in tow.
I loled at this and was going to go into detail why.... but then I realized your too far gone to justify a response.... so keep drinking that kool-aid like a good little subject... but remember, you wont be spared as your just as expendable like those who are not the same line of thinking as you.


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: NotLambchop on November 08, 2014, 04:23:27 PM
Honey badger don't care.

http://s18.postimg.org/as14ft549/honey_badger.jpg


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on November 08, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Re: short squeezing...

 Is there anyway to tell that if current buys are in result of shorts closing their positions? Or is it all speculation?

It's mainly speculation, but as the price rises, if the number of short swaps decreases, then it's a likely scenario that shorts are being closed


Title: Re: Fasten your seat belts.
Post by: Wilhelm on November 08, 2014, 04:45:59 PM
Re: short squeezing...

 Is there anyway to tell that if current buys are in result of shorts closing their positions? Or is it all speculation?

It's mainly speculation, but as the price rises, if the number of short swaps decreases, then it's a likely scenario that shorts are being closed

Shorts are best squeezed when a buyer pushes up the price in a short period of time.
The investors with the shorts will fail to get out and incur great losses.

I don't believe that a major short squeeze would happen now since the market isn't that volatile atm (for Bitcoin :))